#1: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 3:57 pm ---- Only today, why why is it doing this to me?
1) Stereo working, turn off engine, returned to car, engine on, stereo won't come on.
2) Got it checked out, fuse blew up somehow (under dashboard), got new fuse.
3) Connected fuse, stereo works, parked car, turned off engine, return, the battery no longer illuminates, stereo don't work, fuse blew up again.
4) went to garage charged £30 for new wiring and new fuse where bonnet is. (they laughed about me having a small fuse for 1000 watt subwoofer, apparently I should of burnt away with the car)
5) anyway I drive home, all good. Returned to car, stero settings do not save (once again), swapped red and yellow wire as mentioned BEFORE and the CD player will NEVER come on if I swap them. it must be red and red and yellow and yellow for cd player to come on but settings DO NOT save.
what is strange is in its present state, when I turn on the battery the stereo will come on only sometimes. WHAT IS GOING ON! I'm soo annoyed.
#2: Re: WTH seriously... Author: mattievrs, Location: LeicesterPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:02 pm ---- what year is the car?
#3: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:44 pm ---- 1999, I think they changed the wiring around... if I switch red and yellow radio don't work?
#4: Re: WTH seriously... Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:58 pm ---- I'm no expert on wiring ICE, but I have done a fair load of it and I have never wired anything in the same way as that picture. What's going on there?
#5: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:06 pm ---- It looked like this before:
They said it was completely wrong so they changed it all, not sure what does what now but I know the black wire is connected to the amp. If I change it back to the how it was in the image it won't work it will only work with the red wire in as shown:
Never had problems with this before.. why would the stero only "sometimes" come on?
#6: Re: WTH seriously... Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:27 pm ---- I can't work out why the blue wire is connected to the 12v ignition feed. Your blue wire is the power antenna wire, that should go directly into the headunit via the connector.
It's difficult for me to work it out, but the fact that it won't turn on is probably something to do with the amp feed, ignition feed and antenna feed all connected. Most likely the reason your fuse keeps going.
I'm sure someone else will jump in with more helpful advice.
#7: Re: WTH seriously... Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:30 pm ---- If someone else had done this and it were me, i'd buy a new Iso connector leads, plug it all in. Take your amp remote on feed from the correct wire (think it's light blue). Make sure the right amp fuse is in. If the power settings are not saved, switch the red and yellow.
#8: Re: WTH seriously... Author: evil_frogy, Location: England Near ManchesterPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:32 pm ---- What the heck is what the red additional connection to the remote wires?! Im sure thats not meant to be there :S
I've never seen that done before and my wiring in the 206 currently is a bit weird!
What radio do you have?!
#9: Re: WTH seriously... Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:51 pm ---- Yeah that's what i was saying. If the black wire leads to the amp, and the blue wire is the remote wire, just cut the red wire (circled) and eleccy tape it up. It should work like that, but i would wire it again properly.
#10: Re: WTH seriously... Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:50 am ---- take it back to the garage, say its not working, say that its very strange the blue is connected to the power feed?!? ask them why and get them to fix it lol
#11: Re: WTH seriously... Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:36 am ---- I would have laughed at you too for having a small fuse, it's a wonder it didn't blow sooner.
Sounds like you got a ghost in the machine
#12: Re: WTH seriously... Author: devman, Location: Hoddesdon, HertsPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:48 am ---- When I picked up my Pug last week, my first port of call was to be sorting the stereo out. It'd obviously had an aftermarket stereo in at some point (had a quick release wiring block in the boot for an amp, and custom door builds up front), but the standard Pug CD player up front.
The standard CD player had a mind of its own. It only worked with the engine running, and the battery charging light was illuminating dimly on the dashboard. I went through all the fuses, and found a 10A one to be missing (next to the stereo fuse - though the fuse number I forget off the top of my head).
I replaced this, which knocked out the battery charging light, but now my stereo was losing its memory. Very annoying having to enter a code and search for a station every time I started the car, so ripped the stereo out to see what was happening (and fit my own Alpine unit).
What a mess. Considering how well the rest of the ICE was fitted, I cant believe what a state the wiring was behind there. Wires twisted round other wires, blue amp wire poked in the LIVE hole on the connector block! I just ripped the lot out, worked from the Pug ISO connector with a circuit tester to see what was what and rewired from there. I've fitted the blue amp wire to the correct signal wire out the back of the stereo, and all seems tickedy boo. I might try and get a guide up - still got the back end speakers to wire up so its all gotta come out again!
#13: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:42 am ---- is anyone willing to edit
and show where goes where? I'd appreciate it a lot... going back to garage is second thought but is a journey.
P.S. it is a KD-R301 JVC.
#14: Re: WTH seriously... Author: devman, Location: Hoddesdon, HertsPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:33 am ---- The picture is confusing me to be honest, as none of the pins on the ISO appear to be in the correct place....
The above link shows where the wirs should be on an ISO block...and your are nothing like it....they seem to all be in reverse....though the numbering is correct!?
From what I can see, i'd say -
Blue/White from stereo - Black Amp Lead
Yellow from stereo - Number 7 on ISO block
Red from stereo - Number 4 on ISO block
Black from stereo - Number 8 on ISO block
Orange from stereo - Number 6 on ISO block.
#15: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:05 am ---- I remove the red additional connector (circled) so it's free but stereo will flash only for a second when it's on?
#16: Re: WTH seriously... Author: devman, Location: Hoddesdon, HertsPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:31 am ---- What about when the engines running?
#17: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:17 am ---- Nope, the red additional must be connected as shown in the picture and it must be red/yed and yellow/yellow for stereo to only sometimes come on and not holding its memory.
#18: Re: WTH seriously... Author: devman, Location: Hoddesdon, HertsPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:26 am ---- I think the best option is to just check all the power leads with a circuit tester. See where there's power with the igniton on and off. I'm guessing a previous owner was the one that's bridged them all? That's what I can't get my head around - it sounds like there's a power wire down so it's been bridged from another circuit.
#19: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:57 am ---- I think £30 for new wiring/new fuse etc was quite decent considering stores such as halfords and others are charging £25 just for headunit wiring. Not looking to spend anymore into this, called them up (where I spent £30) and told them the memory is not holding when battery is turned off and they said "sorry we don't do this".
1) Turn on engine - unit works.
2) Turn on battery, wait 1 second, turn on engine - unit don't work.
3) Turn off engine to battery - unit don't work.
4) Turn on battery - unit works
5) Turn on battery, off and on again - unit don't work
don't know if this has got to do with anything contributing to the ghost stereo.
turns on/off when it wants to, not when I want it to.
#20: Re: WTH seriously... Author: devman, Location: Hoddesdon, HertsPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:03 am ---- Might be worth getting one of these to start with
As for the 'terminal' on the battery I'd say your wiring is pretty doomed! Just hope I don't find any more surprises like that!
#21: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:10 am ---- Hmm the car unlocks itself after random periods of 5-10 minutes... locked the car, secured the key, return.. doors unlocked?!
Don't think I'll be touching the car anymore... obviously need mechanics to sort this b-s*** out! Kept in garage for now.
Thanks all for help anyway!
#22: Re: WTH seriously... Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:30 am ---- As Devman said, get hold of a new 16pin ISO and get someone experienced to re-wire it from scratch. With wiring like that, disconnect the battery before you start fiddling around with anything. Connecting the amp to a power source should be the last thing you do. You can see where I live on my profile, if you live anywhere near there I'd be more than happy to take a proper look at it for you. Good luck.
#23: Re: WTH seriously... Author: copey, Location: rochdalePosted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:39 am ---- that power wire looks a bit bodged on
#24: Re: WTH seriously... Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:49 am ---- Rip all the s**te out back to the factory ISO harness & start again
#25: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:38 pm ---- This is it...
I am not buying a new one, why?! It looks exackly the same... nothing looks damaged either. Now this is the way it was connected the first time. For the additional red connector, it has some black thing.. this I don't have anymore. Is it just tape and is it needed?
#26: Re: WTH seriously... Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:27 pm ---- Well you don't NEED to buy a new one, just connect and tape it all up back to how it should be.
You should not need to bridge a connection on an iso (using that white plastic thing in the middle), most likely done when a power wire was not working . This is most likely caused by a blown fuse, or even a blown wire (if too high amp fuse used).
Remove the bridged connection, use a circuit tester and test all the power wires.
If they all read voltage (12) then you're sorted to connect it up correctly. Red to red, yellow to yellow, black amp wire to blue and white remote feed.
I also recommend that you invest in a battery clamp for your amp.
#27: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:59 pm ---- Ok, I found out the solution to all the problems I am having with the wierd wiring nightmare.
The reason the fuses kept blowing is because of this:
I took it to the garage and they said the power connector from the amp should not be connected to the fuse as you can see in the image, but to the battery itself at positive. I tried doing this but I saw a lightning flash and smoke, yes battery was off.
Please someone tell me where I connect the red wire too.. and it's all good after this!
Thanks.
#28: Re: WTH seriously... Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 3:58 pm ---- You connect it to the positive terminal on your battery, using a battery clamp.
Your battery shouldn't spark at you if it is completely disconnected, and you connect to one terminal.
#29: Re: WTH seriously... Author: NorthantsBen, Location: Raunds, NorthamptonshirePosted: Thu May 19, 2011 4:03 pm ---- What's the black wire that's Comming from the White connection block ?? (were the red and blue connet in 1st pic)
#30: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 4:43 pm ---- Black wire is connected to the amp.
When I took it to the garage they apparently connected the power connector to the fuse box which caused wiring to go almost like in reverse and caused fuse blowouts. I had to remove the red connector and re-do the wiring which is fine now,
to get this job done I've only got a pair of hands with no clamp tools, if you take a look at this red connector (image, view full size) you can see the end has a golden ring, must this be cut off?
Help is much appreciated
#31: Re: WTH seriously... Author: Matt, Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:10 pm ---- No the gold ring goes onto the screw in the fuse box.
#32: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:29 pm ---- Missing the point, it won't connect to the fuse like it did before causing damage, it will connect to the positive terminal.
#33: Re: WTH seriously... Author: Matt, Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:52 pm ---- Not really missing the point am I?
You asked where it goes, I told you.
That's where mine is and has been for nearly a year now
If anything is wrong it's not that.
Try looking at that mess of wiring behind your centre console.
#34: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:01 pm ---- I'm soo confused now, some are saying connect to positive terminal and some are saying connect to fuse. Here?! imageshack.us/m/860/8324/bonz.png
That's where all the problems kicked in to begin with... I really need the correct answer!
Thanks
#35: Re: WTH seriously... Author: NorthantsBen, Location: Raunds, NorthamptonshirePosted: Fri May 20, 2011 12:39 am ---- It don't matter if its connected to the positive pole on batt or the nut in fuse box, it's the same thing.
And why does that black wire i said about go to amp? What slot on amp??
Edit: I take it that's the remote for amp lol Last edited by NorthantsBen on Fri May 20, 2011 1:56 am; edited 2 times in total
#36: Re: WTH seriously... Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 1:45 am ----
(awaits my car wont start, have i killed my ECU? thread)
#37: Re: WTH seriously... Author: Matt, Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:04 am ----
This is a pic of mine I took this morning just for you
#38: Re: WTH seriously... Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:58 am ---- Thanks a lot for this, connected as shown and all working great now
There is just one "FINAL" minor annoying issue, the memory does not hold when battery is off and yes I swapped red and yellow but both combinations "red/red yellow/yellow" and "red/yellow red/yellow" does not hold the memory.
#39: Re: WTH seriously... Author: devman, Location: Hoddesdon, HertsPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:04 am ---- I'll check out my fuse combination, mine didn't work quite right till I found the right combination there either!
#40: Re: WTH seriously... Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:23 am ---- Memory issue..
#41: Re: WTH seriously... Author: devman, Location: Hoddesdon, HertsPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:28 am ---- ^ That's what I was going to show you, cheers for saving me a job
#42: Re: WTH seriously... Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:30 am ---- No worries.. took me ages to work it using a multimeter out so made a how to a while back
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