#1: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:04 am ---- It's just failed on this, I got in the car and kept pushing on the horn, and I got one short bip out of it but nothing else. I know it's possobly faulty horn or corroded, but, the airbag light is on, and I'm wondering if that is related? Someone asked if the light was on in a nother thread but there's wasn't.
#2: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:10 am ---- Did you not check before the MOT?
#3: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:12 am ---- I never use a hron. I can say it 18 years of driving unless by accident I never use it, and wouldn't have thought to check.
I just had a look and from description of where it located I can't even see it!
#4: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:15 am ---- Allways do teh checks mate. Its at the front iirc connected to the fan housing... you can see it through the grill on the bumper
EDIT:
You should be able to get a multimeter on it to see if any power is getting to it.
Also check all of the fuses under steering wheel and in engine bay.
#5: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:23 am ---- Re-test is free so no big issue except for time really. I'll have another look, I guess it doesn't look like a conventional horn then?
#6: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:28 am ---- On the drivers side If you cant see it through the grill take the upper gril and badge off and then you will see it.
#7: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:31 am ---- Right.
First of all, check the fuses.
Then check the airbag and horn wiring.
IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU DISCONNECT THE BATTERY FIRST - please note the BSI soft boot procedure here: 206info.co.uk/Forums/v.../t=95.html
Leave the car for 10 mins for safety reasons.
You remove the airbag it by turning the wheel 90 degrees then putting a flatbladed screwdriver through the hole in the back of the wheel (one on each side) You push in the metal spring clips and the airbag pops off.
Then check all the wires are secure.
If no luck then check the horn its self works by hooking it up to a power source.
If it works then it's likely you have a faulty COM2000 unit (about £240 from Peugeot)
#8: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:34 am ---- isnt the horn connected to the same fuse as the number plate lights and side lights? or is that just pre plex?
My horn is a bit tempermental, but I think its the horn itself, because Dillon put a multimeter on my plug and it was fine.
You can get one cheap enough from halfords or something
#9: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:34 am ----
Abzynthe wrote:
isnt the horn connected to the same fuse as the number plate lights and side lights? or is that just pre plex?
My horn is a bit tempermental, but I think its the horn itself, because Dillon put a multimeter on my plug and it was fine.
You can get one cheap enough from halfords or something
I'm thinking it's a faulty COM2000 unit with it having the airbag fault too.
#10: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:36 am ----
CD-vRS wrote:
Right.
First of all, check the fuses.
Then check the airbag and horn wiring.
IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU DISCONNECT THE BATTERY FIRST - please note the BSI soft boot procedure here: 206info.co.uk/Forums/v.../t=95.html
Leave the car for 10 mins for safety reasons.
You remove the airbag it by turning the wheel 90 degrees then putting a flatbladed screwdriver through the hole in the back of the wheel (one on each side) You push in the metal spring clips and the airbag pops off.
Then check all the wires are secure.
If no luck then check the horn its self works by hooking it up to a power source.
If it works then it's likely you have a faulty COM2000 unit (about £240 from Peugeot)
I agree that is the right thing to do..
But in the other order.... Check the fuses then put a multimeter on the horn connecter and if possible get a new horn cant be expensive?
Then move onto the airbag?
#11: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:40 am ---- OK, so I found the horn, but to get even close to it I had to unclip the plastic grill att the top, which broke.. And the undo the Peugeot grill bit, which I only released one clip.. which broke! I only want to sell it and now I need to buy a new grill!! And I still cant get at the horn, I can touch the clip, but how am I meant to release it! I'm loath to undo any more of the grill because no doubt the other 3 clips will break. I read they were replaceable, but they are part of the grill!!!
#12: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:42 am ----
clarky78 wrote:
OK, so I found the horn, but to get even close to it I had to unclip the plastic grill att the top, which broke.. And the undo the Peugeot grill bit, which I only released one clip.. which broke! I only want to sell it and now I need to buy a new grill!! And I still cant get at the horn, I can touch the clip, but how am I meant to release it! I'm loath to undo any more of the grill because no doubt the other 3 clips will break. I read they were replaceable, but they are part of the grill!!!
Just jack the front of the car up. You should be able to access it without taking anything off.
2 10mm bolts hold the horn on
#13: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Fri May 20, 2011 4:09 am ---- Thanks for the help guys, but I'm just going to send it to Peugoet I think. It's money I could do without spending, but I just haven't got the time or inclination to do this. I have checked obvious things for airbag and like seats and I have been around and checked all underdash fises, but it all were ok. Except unrestart it said the passenger airbag was disabled which it wasn't!! Great, bit touching things stopped that.
I tried puting my hand up the back underneath and now way can I get my hands up there, I must have big hands?!
it had a new comm2000 about a1 1/2 years ago!!?! Great!
#14: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Zoe86, Location: BanburyPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 5:46 am ---- What a nightmare Clarky, i hope you get it sorted
#15: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:49 am ----
CD-vRS wrote:
Abzynthe wrote:
isnt the horn connected to the same fuse as the number plate lights and side lights? or is that just pre plex?
My horn is a bit tempermental, but I think its the horn itself, because Dillon put a multimeter on my plug and it was fine.
You can get one cheap enough from halfords or something
I'm thinking it's a faulty COM2000 unit with it having the airbag fault too.
Same here
& being a GTI 180 with ESP the com2000 is very expensive to replace thanks to the ESP steering angle sensor being built in
#16: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Ape, Location: Clipping the Apex!Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:57 am ---- Jack the front of the car up and you can just about get to it from the front without removing any. I'm betting its a corroded connector on the claxon as my old Pug had the same problem. I could get to it without removing any trim by getting underneath and undoing the bracket it's attached to. Soldering upside down is a nightmare though
You could fix it yourself very cheaply by prodding around and having a look
#17: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:04 am ---- also the grill clips (hog ring clips) easily break and are cheap as chips on ebay, or even not that dear from a dealer, dw about that even if you need a new grill they are cheap too.
#18: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:07 am ----
MrrNoName wrote:
also the grill clips (hog ring clips) easily break and are cheap as chips on ebay, or even not that dear from a dealer
Ive never seen the clips cheaper on Ebay.
Ive always found a Peugeot / Citroen main dealer is always cheaper
#19: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:16 am ---- What clips? the clips that broke on both the upper plastic and the gril are both part of the actual trim.
I realise it is probably a rusty connection, but the airbag light needs fixing and I knew it would end up at the garage for that anyway.
I hate jacking the pug up I find it impossible to get a good jacking point that doesnt result in something bending..!
#20: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Mon May 23, 2011 5:44 am ---- OK, Peugeot reckon it need's a new horn AND a new comm2000! That last one was fitted by this dealer in July 2009 under warranty.. Fingers crossed it still gets done under warranty, but the warranty expires in 6 days... Either way it's gonna cost me a fortune! POS car!
#21: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Ape, Location: Clipping the Apex!Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 5:54 am ---- I'd find a local independant that can help bud. Wouldn't trust a stealer.
Jacking wise - the subframe is never a bad place to use.
#22: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:27 am ---- I assume the warranty company have authorised it as I haven't heard anything since I told the dealer to ring them. If I took it somewhere else, I'd be charged the diagnostic anyway, and if it does need the com2000 I'd be no better off.
#23: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: meady, Location: basingstokePosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:23 am ---- If you need a new com2000 and horn i will have thmboth for sale
#24: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: meady, Location: basingstokePosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:25 am ---- If you need a new com2000 and horn i will have thmboth for sale
#25: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:49 am ----
clarky78 wrote:
I assume the warranty company have authorised it as I haven't heard anything since I told the dealer to ring them. If I took it somewhere else, I'd be charged the diagnostic anyway, and if it does need the com2000 I'd be no better off.
Depends who did it...
#26: Re: MOT failure - Horn not working. Author: clarky78, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:39 am ---- Well warranty is paying so it should cost me about 150 for the lot fitted. if it's fixed thats all that matters.
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If you cant see it through the grill take the upper gril and badge off and then you will see it.
I only want to sell it and now I need to buy a new grill!! And I still cant get at the horn, I can touch the clip, but how am I meant to release it! I'm loath to undo any more of the grill because no doubt the other 3 clips will break. I read they were replaceable, but they are part of the grill!!!
