#1: replacing wishbones Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:47 am ---- Hi all my lovely amazingly s**te 206 gti 180 has broken again i have just replaced top mount bearings drop links and track rod ends and now the bloody wishbones have gone and at dealer prices it anit cheap
what is the easiest way to change the wish bones Last edited by LilLew on Wed May 25, 2011 6:52 am; edited 1 time in total
#2: Re: replacing wishbones Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:48 am ---- Ebay? What is the dealer asking you to pay?
#3: Re: replacing wishbones Author: spud_owen, Location: ashby de la zouchPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:55 am ---- be carefull with wishbones the non OEM ones can be abit hit and miss, allot cheaper yes but can fail quite quick, one of mine went after 2 months driving. Its a b***h of a job but can be done in a couple of hours DIY. Not sure about the 180 but image there the same just a bit beefer.
#4: Re: replacing wishbones Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:56 am ---- it was somethingstupid like 89 per side and i dont know if this is cheap crap tho because both for £75
#5: Re: replacing wishbones Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:57 am ---- Tbh if they're cheap it's probably for a reason..
#6: Re: replacing wishbones Author: spud_owen, Location: ashby de la zouchPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:59 am ----
LilLew wrote:
it was somethingstupid like 89 per side and i dont know if this is cheap crap tho because both for £75
that price sounds alright if fitted and there proper OEM parts
#7: Re: replacing wishbones Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:01 am ---- that is just pug providing the parts i have to fit them
#8: Re: replacing wishbones Author: spud_owen, Location: ashby de la zouchPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:05 am ----
LilLew wrote:
that is just pug providing the parts i have to fit them
yeah £90 a side is about right for proper ones, i couldent afford that so have just stuck with some £30 one for driver side, its been on about 3 weeks now and seems ok at the moment, the passenger side £30 one has laste around 6month and is ok still.
#9: Re: replacing wishbones Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:13 am ---- does anyone know the easiest way to fit these
#10: Re: replacing wishbones Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:11 am ----
LilLew wrote:
does anyone know the easiest way to fit these
Car up on stands and chocked, wheels off, unbolt the balljoint socket at the rear of the hub, split the balljoint, undo the 2 bolts on the subframe, pull the wishbone towards you and rotate towards the back of the car..
Refitting is pretty much the reverse, push the new wishbone into place, sometimes the rear bolt wont line up straight away so get the front one lined up and pop a bolt through the subframe to hold it into place and then rotate the wishbone towards the front of the car until the rear bolt holes line up too, put the bolts in and tighten them to the correct tourqe.
Use a breaker bar to lower the wishbone down low enough to pop the balljoint back into it's holder on the hub, pop the bolt back in, check everything is nice and tight, refit wheel and lower the car back down.
The hardest part is probably getting the balljoint back in, as this can sometimes be a PITA! Clean everything up while you have the chance and it's off the car, also clean the balljoint holding hole on the hub it'll make getting the balljoint back in there alot easier!
#11: Re: replacing wishbones Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:16 am ----
Ste206 wrote:
LilLew wrote:
does anyone know the easiest way to fit these
Car up on stands and chocked, wheels off, unbolt the balljoint socket at the rear of the hub, split the balljoint, undo the 2 bolts on the subframe, pull the wishbone towards you and rotate towards the back of the car..
Refitting is pretty much the reverse, push the new wishbone into place, sometimes the rear bolt wont line up straight away so get the front one lined up and pop a bolt through the subframe to hold it into place and then rotate the wishbone towards the front of the car until the rear bolt holes line up too, put the bolts in and tighten them to the correct tourqe.
Use a breaker bar to lower the wishbone down low enough to pop the balljoint back into it's holder on the hub, pop the bolt back in, check everything is nice and tight, refit wheel and lower the car back down.
The hardest part is probably getting the balljoint back in, as this can sometimes be a PITA! Clean everything up while you have the chance and it's off the car, also clean the balljoint holding hole on the hub it'll make getting the balljoint back in there alot easier!
i know splitting the ball joint can be a nightmare but nuttin a ball joint splitter and a MASSIVE hammer wont sort out i knew it was a simple enought job was just seeing if there was and hidden tips
#12: Re: replacing wishbones Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:55 am ---- I'll post some pictures later to show how to do the job.
#13: Re: replacing wishbones Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Thu May 26, 2011 3:41 am ----
LilLew wrote:
Ste206 wrote:
LilLew wrote:
does anyone know the easiest way to fit these
Car up on stands and chocked, wheels off, unbolt the balljoint socket at the rear of the hub, split the balljoint, undo the 2 bolts on the subframe, pull the wishbone towards you and rotate towards the back of the car..
Refitting is pretty much the reverse, push the new wishbone into place, sometimes the rear bolt wont line up straight away so get the front one lined up and pop a bolt through the subframe to hold it into place and then rotate the wishbone towards the front of the car until the rear bolt holes line up too, put the bolts in and tighten them to the correct tourqe.
Use a breaker bar to lower the wishbone down low enough to pop the balljoint back into it's holder on the hub, pop the bolt back in, check everything is nice and tight, refit wheel and lower the car back down.
The hardest part is probably getting the balljoint back in, as this can sometimes be a PITA! Clean everything up while you have the chance and it's off the car, also clean the balljoint holding hole on the hub it'll make getting the balljoint back in there alot easier!
i know splitting the ball joint can be a nightmare but nuttin a ball joint splitter and a MASSIVE hammer wont sort out i knew it was a simple enought job was just seeing if there was and hidden tips
Splitting it isnt too bad, as you say a splitter and a hammer does the trick lol, it's getting them back in, they sometimes don't want to play fair and be effers! lol
#14: Re: replacing wishbones Author: spud_owen, Location: ashby de la zouchPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:16 am ----
Edward wrote:
I'll post some pictures later to show how to do the job.
There used to be a how to some where im sure.
#15: Re: replacing wishbones Author: nakednakeddave, Location: aberdeenPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:50 am ---- i got a pair for 50quid off fleabay, no idea of the quality but guess will find out when its on the road again...
but took me about 25mins a side, and replaced track rods aswell....
pretty easy done aslong as you have a big breaker bar and something to lever the new arms down as theyr a pain in the hoop....
#16: Re: replacing wishbones Author: hamstercatfish, Location: LancsPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:52 pm ---- Anyone out there got any good tips in how to put the ball joint back in the socket? I managed to get the wishbone out - thanks to you guys. Putting it back in is another story though, I have wrestled with it for 4 hours and all that I got was bruises all over my arm and shoulder! Would really appreciate any advice. Thanks.
#17: Re: replacing wishbones Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:58 pm ---- Fun aren't they ... I used an old chain-style bike lock and a trolley jack handle.
But the rest was a real faff as I tried pushing the suspension up and dropping the car down to get the balljoint in place. You also have to avoid the strut moving outwards (what the CV joints as well as they can "pop"). What you really need is to get the car as high as you can or you can't pull the wishbone down far enough.
The Haynes manual suggests a block of wood with a hole in it to act as a pivot .. from the pics it looks like the wood is long enough to rest the car on!
#18: Re: replacing wishbones Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:26 pm ---- Yeh be careful when I did mine the arm kicked out and pulled the drive-shaft out. Made a mess all over the drive. get a bar or some wood and run it under the body of the car to lever it down. try keep the ball joint straight up.
#19: Re: replacing wishbones Author: hamstercatfish, Location: LancsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:54 pm ---- Thanks guys, got the job done today, much to my relief. I only managed it with the help of a friend who knew what he was doing, he told me that it is really a 2 men job, that's how they do it at the garage. And yeh, I lost over a litre of oil and made a mess of my drive too, it is definitely the most difficult job I've done on cars, but the whole job costed me £90 for the 2 wish bones and 2 anti-roll bar linkages, and £10 for the accidental oil spill, when the garage was going to charge me £350. I'm a happy man!
Next job, the cambelt change, and I'm going to be looking for tips on here! Thanks again everyone.
#20: Re: replacing wishbones Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:01 am ---- It's not a two man job. A bit of grease on the ball joint and a bit of tweeking the position of hub and angle of the ball joint with occasional light upwards pressure from the trolley jack will get it back into the hub.
#21: Re: replacing wishbones Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:04 am ----
Edward wrote:
It's not a two man job. A bit of grease on the ball joint and a bit of tweeking the position of hub and angle of the ball joint with occasional light upwards pressure from the trolley jack will get it back into the hub.
If your car isnt lowered, then its a different story. There is much room to play with as the strut is lower and there's a lot of pressure from the spring.
#22: Re: replacing wishbones Author: rick-gti, Location: welshpool, mid walesPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:57 am ---- Done both sides on my gti, right a**e to get them back in. I found using spring clamps helped alot. I couldnt use a jack because when i jacked the hub up it kept moving away from the ball joint. Went in easy enough when the spring was compressed. They can be a pain to remove aswell due to the notch on the ball joint (the hub moves slightly and the ball joint gets stuck half way out)
#23: Re: replacing wishbones Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:25 am ----
hamstercatfish wrote:
Thanks guys, got the job done today, much to my relief. I only managed it with the help of a friend who knew what he was doing, he told me that it is really a 2 men job, that's how they do it at the garage. And yeh, I lost over a litre of oil and made a mess of my drive too, it is definitely the most difficult job I've done on cars, but the whole job costed me £90 for the 2 wish bones and 2 anti-roll bar linkages, and £10 for the accidental oil spill, when the garage was going to charge me £350. I'm a happy man!
Next job, the cambelt change, and I'm going to be looking for tips on here! Thanks again everyone.
90 for pair of wishbone and linkages; unless you are in trade otherwise you will have to do it again very soon
90 for pair of wishbone and linkages; unless you are in trade otherwise you will have to do it again very soon
Urm... I ordered them from a local motor shop which I have been buying from for years, ebay prices are a little lower. How much would you say I should be paying for some decent stuff then?
#25: Re: replacing wishbones Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:54 pm ----
Edward wrote:
It's not a two man job. A bit of grease on the ball joint and a bit of tweeking the position of hub and angle of the ball joint with occasional light upwards pressure from the trolley jack will get it back into the hub.
Aye I do it on my own on my car, without using anything other than one arm to pull the wishbone down and the other to move the balljoint into place, but then my car is pretty decked which makes it all the more easier, I honestly couldnt do it on my own when I was working on a standard suspension setup as I couldnt get enough movement in the new wishbones
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