#1: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:40 am ---- OK, its 7 miles to work. I got three quarters of the way when my car started to sound like a diesel! The car really struggled and power was inconsistant. It was jerking alot.
On my guages the oil temp on the right was way above the red and the water temp guage on the rev counter didnt know what it was doing. It was up and down constantly.
I got to work and opened the bonnet with the engione running to see what it was doing. It kept dropping revs and just before it was about to stall it picked up revs again and did this every 5 or so seconds. I turned the engine off and there was smoke coming from both the expansion bottle lid and the rocker cover gasket.
Any ideas? :S
#2: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:43 am ---- Got enough oil & coolant?
#3: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:45 am ---- I topped the oil up on Friday and the coolant yesterday. I do have to top the coolant up every week or so though, and i did a 260 mile road trip yesterday.
Does it just sound like a coolant issue?
#4: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:51 am ---- top up oil and coolant is never a good sign.
i bet on head gasket
#5: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:55 am ---- well the car hasnt been serviced for a long time and the oil was down to half way between the notches on the dipstick.
The coolant I have a lot of problems with, sometimes its absolutely fine and other times there's just no coolant. I know my fan is a bit intermitant, so i just thought it would be that.
#6: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:57 am ----
Seabook wrote:
top up oil and coolant is never a good sign.
i bet on head gasket
#7: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:21 am ---- drain the oil and coolant see if you can find anything interesting? i never need to topup anything between serivce apart from windscreen liquid
time to save up to get a new head i guess?
#8: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:06 am ----
Seabook wrote:
drain the oil and coolant see if you can find anything interesting? i never need to topup anything between serivce apart from windscreen liquid
time to save up to get a new head i guess?
I've only had this engine for about 4 months
#9: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:32 am ---- What would I find in the oil? there's no foamy stuff when I take the oil cap off.
#10: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:37 am ---- sounds to me like it could be the beginning of major head gasket failure, got any mayo on the expansion or block, dip stick tube, etc?
also *smoke or *steam?
#11: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: AX-Rated, Location: Swansea, WalesPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:40 am ---- It doesn't have to be the usual oil mixed with water symptoms for a HG to go.
With the 3 ways close together, there's a few combinations for HG failure.
But one things for sure:
your water is going somewhere at an alarming rate,
and its running like a dog.
Whats the mileage on it?
#12: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:41 am ----
MrrNoName wrote:
sounds to me like it could be the beginning of major head gasket failure, got any mayo on the expansion or block, dip stick tube, etc?
also *smoke or *steam?
No there's no mayo stuff anywhere. And Ive only had steam from the rocker today and I get steam from the expansion bottle if I forget to top the coolant up and drive for a long length of time.
#13: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:42 am ----
AX-Rated wrote:
It doesn't have to be the usual oil mixed with water symptoms for a HG to go.
With the 3 ways close together, there's a few combinations for HG failure.
But one things for sure:
your water is going somewhere at an alarming rate,
and its running like a dog.
Whats the mileage on it?
its about around 80k. I dont know for sure as my mileometer doesnt work, but, the engine had 76k when I got it about 4-5 months ago.
#14: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:46 am ---- It shouldnt be loosing coolant like it is, if there is no leak from pipes, matrix, rad etc then it must be entering the engine and being evaporated, either into the sump or out through the exhaust.
there's nowhere else it can go, and because you said you got steam from the rocker cover (which you should not get) then it looks like water is getting into where oil goes, indicating HG failure.
do you get steam from your exhaust?
#15: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:13 am ----
MrrNoName wrote:
It shouldnt be loosing coolant like it is, if there is no leak from pipes, matrix, rad etc then it must be entering the engine and being evaporated, either into the sump or out through the exhaust.
there's nowhere else it can go, and because you said you got steam from the rocker cover (which you should not get) then it looks like water is getting into where oil goes, indicating HG failure.
#16: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:39 am ---- Woah! major HGF? lol ive never seen that much before, more then a kettle on boil!
#17: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:46 am ---- omg.....
that is exact what happen to my 206
#18: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:21 am ---- Ok, I took it to the garage, as it did it again after i topped up the coolant. The garage is about 2 miles away.
When I got there, he came over and i told him what happened, I said there was no leak that I could see. Funnily enough at that moment, the bungs on the bottom of the rad started p**sing out water. Its a generic valeo rad thats fitted, not the original.
So I had a word with him and he didnt think it was the head gasket because of this leak. You could see that the bungs were perrished so they must have had a smaller hole in them and when i drove it at heat they just blew. So Hes going to mend my rad, give it a full service and change the cambelt for £300.
Should be done on Wednesday so we'll see what happens.
#19: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:30 am ----
MrrNoName wrote:
Woah! major HGF? lol ive never seen that much before, more then a kettle on boil!
And that wasn't a cold engine. I ran it up to temperature.
Funny, I got £150 for that engine. Some bloke in China.
#20: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:36 am ----
CD-530d wrote:
MrrNoName wrote:
Woah! major HGF? lol ive never seen that much before, more then a kettle on boil!
And that wasn't a cold engine. I ran it up to temperature.
Funny, I got £150 for that engine. Some bloke in China.
not suprise
#21: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:00 pm ---- Are u sure there isnt a hole in the radiator??
If its lost all its coolant like that and you drove and steam coming from the expansion bottle and head then the HG is gone.
People often blow the HG and get a new engine / fix it but dont trace what caused the problem in the first place.
If you are loosing water then it must be going somewhere. Compression test needed I think
If its lost all its coolant like that and you drove and steam coming from the expansion bottle and head then the HG is gone.
People often blow the HG and get a new engine / fix it but dont trace what caused the problem in the first place.
If you are loosing water then it must be going somewhere. Compression test needed I think
Abzynthe wrote:
Ok, I took it to the garage, as it did it again after i topped up the coolant. The garage is about 2 miles away.
When I got there, he came over and i told him what happened, I said there was no leak that I could see. Funnily enough at that moment, the bungs on the bottom of the rad started p**sing out water. Its a generic valeo rad thats fitted, not the original.
So I had a word with him and he didnt think it was the head gasket because of this leak. You could see that the bungs were perrished so they must have had a smaller hole in them and when i drove it at heat they just blew. So Hes going to mend my rad, give it a full service and change the cambelt for £300.
Should be done on Wednesday so we'll see what happens.
#23: Re: Oil temp, Water temp. Tractor noises. URGH!!!! Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:21 pm ---- Got my car back They fixed the radiator and did everything else I put and it runs great I still have the ticking from the hydraulic lifters but other than that, the tempratures stay where they are supposed to and the throttle response has improved
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They fixed the radiator and did everything else I put and it runs great 
