#1: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:03 am ---- Hi,
I got the 1.6 xsi, but it has spax spring on it, and tbh they are doing my head in, bit hard, clunck when i turn, so im thinking of getting coilovers.
but what to get, i want a softer ride, also ive never put any on before, easy to setup etc?
any help greatly needed.
i did search but this is based on them fitting my 1.6 16v, and im in a rush to leave for work, thanks
#2: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:54 am ---- Harder ride on Coilovers most of the time if you want comfort go back to the standard setup, comfort is something you got to sacrifice a part of if you want to lower your car even if you lower it the minmum your going to find it harder on bumps and stiffer in the corners.
#3: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:00 am ---- I duno about the harder ride on coilovers part. My friend fitted some KW ones to his 207 Gti and they seem rather comfortable tbh.
#4: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:00 am ---- Yeah i thought that, but something has got to be better than spax springs?
The main concern for me is the clicking while turning.
#5: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:07 am ---- Isn't the clicking when turning your top mounts being shagged?
#6: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:10 am ---- The ride is different with springs its more 'bouncy' whereas with coilovers its just one stiff hit and then back on track.
I guess at the end of the day its how low you are on either springs or coilovers hard for me to compare as mine is on coilovers and low. Last edited by Callum206 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:10 am; edited 1 time in total
#7: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:10 am ---- most likely, or drop link
#8: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:11 am ----
Seabook wrote:
most likely, or drop link
Drop links make more of a clanging/rattling noise ?
#9: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:12 am ----
JE_180 wrote:
Isn't the clicking when turning your top mounts being shagged?
i think so, but i thought to myself as i dont like the springs being that hard anyway i could just aswel change to coilovers, and replace top mounts for better ones at the same time.
You got coilies on yours, or was it your thread i thought where you were looking for some.
maybe its time for another group buy coilover thread
#10: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:12 am ----
Callum206 wrote:
I guess at the end of the day its how low you are on either springs or coilovers hard for me to compare as mine is on coilovers and low.
I think the quality of the coilovers comes into play a bit too, you get what you pay for
#11: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:14 am ----
Callum206 wrote:
Seabook wrote:
most likely, or drop link
Drop links make more of a clanging/rattling noise ?
not on mine.
#12: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:21 am ----
JE_180 wrote:
Callum206 wrote:
I guess at the end of the day its how low you are on either springs or coilovers hard for me to compare as mine is on coilovers and low.
I think the quality of the coilovers comes into play a bit too, you get what you pay for
Mines £600 although Spax are overpriced but feels like i get kicked up the backside every time hit a little bump.
Seabook wrote:
Callum206 wrote:
Seabook wrote:
most likely, or drop link
Drop links make more of a clanging/rattling noise ?
not on mine.
Hahaha ! Mine were a horrible sound when they went !
#13: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:23 am ----
JE_180 wrote:
Callum206 wrote:
I guess at the end of the day its how low you are on either springs or coilovers hard for me to compare as mine is on coilovers and low.
I think the quality of the coilovers comes into play a bit too, you get what you pay for
Doesnt he have Spax RSX
#14: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:24 am ----
PugJH wrote:
JE_180 wrote:
Callum206 wrote:
I guess at the end of the day its how low you are on either springs or coilovers hard for me to compare as mine is on coilovers and low.
I think the quality of the coilovers comes into play a bit too, you get what you pay for
Doesnt he have Spax RSX
I do indeed ! DONT BUY THEM.
#15: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:26 am ---- I have heard that spax are a hard setup though, I kind of like a firm suspension setup if I'm honest, if it's soft it doesn't make me think it's sporty and would handle well.
#16: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:26 am ---- to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14
#17: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:29 am ----
JE_180 wrote:
I have heard that spax are a hard setup though, I kind of like a firm suspension setup if I'm honest, if it's soft it doesn't make me think it's sporty and would handle well.
it is easy to setup the suspension to have "hard" ride without changing the spring
#18: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:30 am ---- Okay to be fair my shocks are on the hardest setting and the coilovers on the front are wound down almost max i should be expecting a solid ride.
#19: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:33 am ----
Seabook wrote:
to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14
B14's are way overpriced. Anything from KW/Weitec/AP are supposed to be very good, the only ones I've tried out of those are KW's and I was very impressed.
#20: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: drunknmunky, Location: Blackburn and CatterickPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:46 am ---- I have had AVO on mine since august last year and cant fault them they have been awesome for me although someone else on here had nothing but problems with them so
#21: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:24 am ---- I suppose the word i was looking for is 'firm'
so not solid or soft. Just the right tightness
#22: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:38 am ---- lmao. I have a dirty mind...
#23: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:40 am ----
JE_180 wrote:
lmao. I have a dirty mind...
tbh i thought the same when writing it so its all good :D.
can't beat a bit of firm bounce, each to there own tho if callum likes a rock hard ride
#24: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:41 am ---- You guys do know that it's the springs that affect the ride, you can probably get softer springs if you really want....
#25: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:43 am ----
Seb wrote:
You guys do know that it's the springs that affect the ride, you can probably get softer springs if you really want....
What do you mean by softer springs ?
#26: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:44 am ----
PugJH wrote:
JE_180 wrote:
lmao. I have a dirty mind...
tbh i thought the same when writing it so its all good :D.
can't beat a bit of firm bounce, each to there own tho if callum likes a rock hard ride
#27: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:48 am ----
Callum206 wrote:
Seb wrote:
You guys do know that it's the springs that affect the ride, you can probably get softer springs if you really want....
What do you mean by softer springs ?
Eibach ones lol
#28: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:49 am ----
Callum206 wrote:
Seb wrote:
You guys do know that it's the springs that affect the ride, you can probably get softer springs if you really want....
What do you mean by softer springs ?
It's the spring that denotes how stiff the ride itself is for the most part, the dampers really only come into play when they're being properly compressed.
Springs are measured by poundage, for example I have 425 fitted on the front of my car and 475 on the rear, fitting a lower poundage spring will give you a softer ride. It's how much is required to compress the spring by 1 inch.
So a 100lb spring will require 100lbs to compress it by an inch, a 400lb spring, will require, surprise surprise, 400lbs to compress it one inch! Hence why lower poundage springs are softer as they compress much easier.
#29: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:52 am ----
Seb wrote:
Callum206 wrote:
Seb wrote:
You guys do know that it's the springs that affect the ride, you can probably get softer springs if you really want....
What do you mean by softer springs ?
It's the spring that denotes how stiff the ride itself is for the most part, the dampers really only come into play when they're being properly compressed.
Springs are measured by poundage, for example I have 425 fitted on the front of my car and 475 on the rear, fitting a lower poundage spring will give you a softer ride. It's how much is required to compress the spring by 1 inch.
So a 100lb spring will require 100lbs to compress it by an inch, a 400lb spring, will require, surprise surprise, 400lbs to compress it one inch! Hence why lower poundage springs are softer as they compress much easier.
this is true.
however a weak spring with a hard damper will give you a very stiff ride too.
#30: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:55 am ----
JE_180 wrote:
Seabook wrote:
to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14
B14's are way overpriced. Anything from KW/Weitec/AP are supposed to be very good, the only ones I've tried out of those are KW's and I was very impressed.
KW Variant 1 are same price or slightly higher than B14....
#31: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:56 am ----
Seabook wrote:
JE_180 wrote:
Seabook wrote:
to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14
B14's are way overpriced. Anything from KW/Weitec/AP are supposed to be very good, the only ones I've tried out of those are KW's and I was very impressed.
KW Variant 1 are same price or slightly higher than B14....
No you can get Variant 1 for just over £400
#32: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:58 am ----
JE_180 wrote:
Seabook wrote:
JE_180 wrote:
Seabook wrote:
to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14
B14's are way overpriced. Anything from KW/Weitec/AP are supposed to be very good, the only ones I've tried out of those are KW's and I was very impressed.
KW Variant 1 are same price or slightly higher than B14....
No you can get Variant 1 for just over £400
my bad then
#33: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:00 am ----
Seabook wrote:
JE_180 wrote:
Seabook wrote:
JE_180 wrote:
Seabook wrote:
to be fair, if you go for coilover at least go for bilstein B14
B14's are way overpriced. Anything from KW/Weitec/AP are supposed to be very good, the only ones I've tried out of those are KW's and I was very impressed.
KW Variant 1 are same price or slightly higher than B14....
No you can get Variant 1 for just over £400
my bad then
Cheapest I've seen B14 was just over £600 I think, are they that good?
#34: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:09 am ----
Seabook wrote:
this is true.
however a weak spring with a hard damper will give you a very stiff ride too.
It will yes, but if you get adjustable coilovers where the springs can be easily changed you can alter the valving on them to adjust how hard you want the damping to be.
#35: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:28 am ---- where can i buy them from where they show all this info about poundage?
#36: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:30 am ----
PugJH wrote:
where can i buy them from where they show all this info about poundage?
You'd have to ask the seller, as the 206 isn't a technical car they most often won't ever show a poundage as normally people who buy them don't really care what it is as long as it lowers the car
#37: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:37 am ----
Seb wrote:
PugJH wrote:
where can i buy them from where they show all this info about poundage?
You'd have to ask the seller, as the 206 isn't a technical car they most often won't ever show a poundage as normally people who buy them don't really care what it is as long as it lowers the car
That is true, i did think that as your car is more performance while mine is boyracer.
I dont even know what its lowered by, but the curb at work where i park is going to destroy my splitter soon.
#38: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Callum206, Location: West SussexPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:38 am ----
Seb wrote:
Callum206 wrote:
Seb wrote:
You guys do know that it's the springs that affect the ride, you can probably get softer springs if you really want....
What do you mean by softer springs ?
It's the spring that denotes how stiff the ride itself is for the most part, the dampers really only come into play when they're being properly compressed.
Springs are measured by poundage, for example I have 425 fitted on the front of my car and 475 on the rear, fitting a lower poundage spring will give you a softer ride. It's how much is required to compress the spring by 1 inch.
So a 100lb spring will require 100lbs to compress it by an inch, a 400lb spring, will require, surprise surprise, 400lbs to compress it one inch! Hence why lower poundage springs are softer as they compress much easier.
Thanks man thats good stuff to know !
#39: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:19 am ----
Seb wrote:
Seabook wrote:
this is true.
however a weak spring with a hard damper will give you a very stiff ride too.
It will yes, but if you get adjustable coilovers where the springs can be easily changed you can alter the valving on them to adjust how hard you want the damping to be.
just talking about one of the cheap trick peoples do on track.
stock spring + adjustable dampers and turn it to fully hard.
drive like the car is on 2 steel rod with no damping effect
#40: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: drunknmunky, Location: Blackburn and CatterickPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:39 am ----
PugJH wrote:
where can i buy them from where they show all this info about poundage?
the avo ones i bought have different springs available for them i just never thought about changing mine as there good as they are
and the dampings adjustable too of course
#41: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: drunknmunky, Location: Blackburn and CatterickPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:41 am ---- just looked at there page too and there springs go from 50lbs all the way to 1600lbs
#42: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:44 am ----
drunknmunky wrote:
just looked at there page too and there springs go from 50lbs all the way to 1600lbs
not that simple, I.D. of the spring and also total length of the spring can be different.
Eibach and Faulkner has a full collections of spring avalible.
not too expensive too, think is like 60 quid per spring.
#43: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: drunknmunky, Location: Blackburn and CatterickPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:46 am ----
Seabook wrote:
drunknmunky wrote:
just looked at there page too and there springs go from 50lbs all the way to 1600lbs
not that simple, I.D. of the spring and also total length of the spring can be different.
Eibach and Faulkner has a full collections of spring avalible.
not too expensive too, think is like 60 quid per spring.
yeah they do have size ranges of length and id too but my id is 2.25" and im unsure of length but they had lots of choice anyway
and they werent too expensive im sure prices where like £30 per spring or something so probably about the same then
#44: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:48 am ----
drunknmunky wrote:
Seabook wrote:
drunknmunky wrote:
just looked at there page too and there springs go from 50lbs all the way to 1600lbs
not that simple, I.D. of the spring and also total length of the spring can be different.
Eibach and Faulkner has a full collections of spring avalible.
not too expensive too, think is like 60 quid per spring.
yeah they do have size ranges of length and id too but my id is 2.25" and im unsure of length but they had lots of choice anyway
and they werent too expensive im sure prices where like £30 per spring or something so probably about the same then
that's the beauty of coilovers. can run whatever spring you like
#45: Re: Coilovers or spring, uprating mine, help Author: drunknmunky, Location: Blackburn and CatterickPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:08 pm ---- i had never really looked into all this sort of stuff i just wanted a decent set of coilovers so spent a little too much on them
i dont think ill ever really need to look into changing springs on mine
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