#1: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: EuroPeugeot, Location: SW EnglandPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:08 pm ---- Just changed the VVT.
Changed my air intake from a cone to standard and back.
Cleaned the trottle body of carbon build up.
Compared to my friend's GTi 138, my throttle response it rubbish! Once I'm in 3k-4k+ revs it pulls really strong like it should.
Last thing I can think of is seeing how loose the throttle cable is maybe?
Where is that on a 180?
#2: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: Lewis, Location: Isle Of WightPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:09 pm ---- its electronic
#3: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: EuroPeugeot, Location: SW EnglandPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:11 pm ---- FML.
What else could I do/try then
#4: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: TheGTIlad, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:26 pm ---- Tip: Start cheap, then think expensive.
Plugs for example, may be your first port of call.
#5: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:37 pm ---- you may just be expecting to much from it mate... i have heard from a few people that throttle response was better on there old 138s
#6: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: EuroPeugeot, Location: SW EnglandPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:12 pm ---- To be fair I haven't replaced the plugs in a while, thatll be my next attempt I guess
#7: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:23 pm ---- Typical trait of electronic throttle body, all these signals from various sensors go to the ecu before the butterfly is opened, which causes the lag
I have heard a proper custom remap can help
#8: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:00 pm ---- My 180 responds well. I find cleaning things made my 180 a little sluggish for a while!!! If you changed your VVT have you cleared all the faults?
#9: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: furryhobnob, Location: NuneatonPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:04 pm ---- My 138 was more responsive than my 180, the 180 doesn't really kick in until 3500k
#10: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: EuroPeugeot, Location: SW EnglandPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:43 pm ----
mattymj wrote:
My 180 responds well. I find cleaning things made my 180 a little sluggish for a while!!! If you changed your VVT have you cleared all the faults?
I haven't cleared the faults to be fair. Didn't think I would if I replaced it with a new one?
furryhobnob wrote:
My 138 was more responsive than my 180, the 180 doesn't really kick in until 3500k
At least it's not just me then. Still annoying. I can feel it has more power than my friend's GTi 138, just not the same quick, sharp response
#11: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: furryhobnob, Location: NuneatonPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:46 pm ---- I think it's just what the 180 is like mate, mine is regularly serviced and no expense spared on it, my step-dad is a master tech for Peugeot so I get parts cheap
The 180 is alot more fun and quicker if u just keep it in the higher rev range
#12: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:15 am ----
Andrewxps wrote:
Typical trait of electronic throttle body, all these signals from various sensors go to the ecu before the butterfly is opened, which causes the lag
Trust me, the ECU doesn't take time to think about what the sensors are telling it.
With motorised throttle bodies the ECU controls the throttle angle and speed of opening for a given throttle pedal position. Remaps can change this so the throttle butterfly opens further for a given pedal position. It makes it feel more responsive but doesn't do anything that pushing the pedal further can't achieve.
Throttle response is simply down to the time it take for the air to get from TB to combustion chamber and the rotating mechanical weight to accelerate like flywheels.
#13: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: EuroPeugeot, Location: SW EnglandPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:05 pm ---- Checked the spark plugs today, sort of hoping they'd be NGK's, at least then I'd feel an improvement when putting in Bosch plugs. But they were already super 4's.
I still love my 180, so all is good
#14: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:16 pm ---- i think it sometimes, but i honestly just think its the electronic throttle, i came from my old vtr which was a cable and the 206 can seem slow to respond sometimes, not majorly but noticeable split second.
Unless yours has got worse recently, but i think its the way they are
#15: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: greg.mitchell350, Location: Milton KeynesPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:38 pm ---- it does sound weird but if it's in your head then you'll think its un-responsive. you need to try and clear it from your mind and it'll seem fine. sounds stupid but the mind can play awful tricks on you when it comes to these sort of things
#16: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:34 am ---- The throttle responce on my 180 was always quicker that my mates 138 and my other mates GT, so something is a miss.
Have you cleaned the air filter out?
Try giving it a full service, failing that get a code reader on it.
Its sounds very similar to when my VVT solenoid wasnt working.
#17: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: EuroPeugeot, Location: SW EnglandPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:16 am ----
greg.mitchell350 wrote:
it does sound weird but if it's in your head then you'll think its un-responsive. you need to try and clear it from your mind and it'll seem fine. sounds stupid but the mind can play awful tricks on you when it comes to these sort of things
Yeah I know what you mean, as said I haven't fallen out of love with it yet, so I won't be selling it in anger! Haha
Big_Rich180 wrote:
The throttle responce on my 180 was always quicker that my mates 138 and my other mates GT, so something is a miss.
Have you cleaned the air filter out?
Try giving it a full service, failing that get a code reader on it.
Its sounds very similar to when my VVT solenoid wasnt working.
I've given the filter a clean yeah. To be fair I haven't serviced it for a while, that'll be the next step.
I was expecting a massive improvement when I replaced the VVT, but I only felt a slight improvement.
This all might just be in my head. I guess just because the GTi 180 is more powerful than the GTi 138, doesn't mean it's going to be quicker off the line, right?
When I drove my friend's GTi 138 hard, yeah it's got a sharper response, but it hasn't got the same pull and power in the higher revs as my 180
#18: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:38 am ----
EuroPeugeot wrote:
greg.mitchell350 wrote:
it does sound weird but if it's in your head then you'll think its un-responsive. you need to try and clear it from your mind and it'll seem fine. sounds stupid but the mind can play awful tricks on you when it comes to these sort of things
Yeah I know what you mean, as said I haven't fallen out of love with it yet, so I won't be selling it in anger! Haha
Big_Rich180 wrote:
The throttle responce on my 180 was always quicker that my mates 138 and my other mates GT, so something is a miss.
Have you cleaned the air filter out?
Try giving it a full service, failing that get a code reader on it.
Its sounds very similar to when my VVT solenoid wasnt working.
I've given the filter a clean yeah. To be fair I haven't serviced it for a while, that'll be the next step.
I was expecting a massive improvement when I replaced the VVT, but I only felt a slight improvement.
This all might just be in my head. I guess just because the GTi 180 is more powerful than the GTi 138, doesn't mean it's going to be quicker off the line, right?
When I drove my friend's GTi 138 hard, yeah it's got a sharper response, but it hasn't got the same pull and power in the higher revs as my 180
You should be able to get it off the line quicker or at least the same, I found you had to apply more revs to the 180 though before bringing the clutch up BUT this is how you kill the clutch/release bearing.
#19: Re: GTi 180 poor throttle response Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:49 am ---- tbh it is all in your brain my GTI180 has been off the road for about 3months now while i repair different bits and i drove it on the weekend and i thought god the response is really slow compared to my 1993 ROVER 214i which is cable
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