#1: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:58 pm ---- i found somethings to be different on my 180 as compared to the 138. while some differences are expected, im experiencing differences which i thought should be quite similar with the 138.
on my 138 my 3 pedals are on the same level where as the throttle pedal on the 180 is a lot lower than the brake & clutch. to make things a little more complicated, the 180 throttle pedal have to be pressed about an inch before im actually feeding oil to the engine whereas my 138 would get oil and rev with just that slight tap. at some point i did think maybe i should get a new throttle pedal on ebay but it got me confused.
my gti180 pedal is similar to THIS, i recognize it by the big plastic piece.
whereas a new pedal on ebay look like THIS, similar to my 138's pedal. part no. matches the 180 the according to service box. so which would it be?
another thing, the stiffness of my 180's clutch is A HELL LOTS more as compared to my old 138.
138 gear movement feels very smooth like it has a well defined path for the stick to move into all 6 gears and gives that nice solid sound. 180 gear change feels mushy, still able to change into gear just fine but the feel is just totally different from the 138.
are all 180's that different when first out of the factory? or am i needing to change parts on the 180? thanks for reading
#2: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:06 pm ---- Is your 138 a drive by wire? That would explain the throttle response issues. Gearbox is sloppy on every pug, but the 180 uses cables instead of rods.
#3: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:09 pm ---- i don't understand why people keep saying electronic throttle body is less responsive than cable throttle
#4: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:29 pm ---- Ive never noticed on mine!
#5: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:06 am ---- so are all 180's like what i described?
#6: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: shaker, Location: AustriaPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:01 am ---- The thing about the throttle-pedal being lower than the other pedals, it's probably to make it feel more racecar-like in the way of making it easier to use heel-and-toe technique when on a track.
#7: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:11 am ---- To aid heal and toeing though both pedals needs to be the same height.
Will these modern motorised TB cars allow brake pedal and throttle to be pressed at the same time?
#8: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:37 am ----
Edward wrote:
Will these modern motorised TB cars allow brake pedal and throttle to be pressed at the same time?
Yeah you can press both at the same time, tried and tested on mine.
#9: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:53 am ---- Tried driving with the brakes on the other day in the Jetta and the engine shuts down.
The other halfs 207CC is difficult to heal and toe because of the different pedal heights.
#10: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:12 am ----
Edward wrote:
The other halfs 207CC is difficult to heal and toe because of the different pedal heights.
its the same with the 180, it is difficult to do but it doesn't shut it off
#11: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:14 am ----
Edward wrote:
Will these modern motorised TB cars allow brake pedal and throttle to be pressed at the same time?
Depends on the software
Also on a decently designed setup there will be twin sensor outputs for each pedal as a built in fail safe.
#12: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:18 am ---- So the cable 138 throttle wins because you can even adjust the height of the pedal!
#13: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:21 am ----
Edward wrote:
So the cable 138 throttle wins because you can even adjust the height of the pedal!
I would rather have a cable throttle, less stuff to go wrong.
#14: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: shaker, Location: AustriaPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:36 am ----
Edward wrote:
To aid heal and toeing though both pedals needs to be the same height.
Will these modern motorised TB cars allow brake pedal and throttle to be pressed at the same time?
Oops, true... Brainfart from me
#15: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:22 pm ---- so the 138 is cable throttle and the 180 is electronic throttle?
is that why my 180 throttle pedal feels like i need to step a little harder than the 138 to get gas into the engine?
or is it just another separate fault on the 180, nothing to do with the electronic throttle thing..
#16: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:06 am ---- Must just mean the spring on the 180 throttle pedal is stronger.
#17: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:15 am ---- I have a 138 with motorised throttle, ive never noticed any lag, or any problems!
#18: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:03 am ----
bisphenol-a wrote:
i found somethings to be different on my 180 as compared to the 138. while some differences are expected, im experiencing differences which i thought should be quite similar with the 138.
on my 138 my 3 pedals are on the same level where as the throttle pedal on the 180 is a lot lower than the brake & clutch. to make things a little more complicated, the 180 throttle pedal have to be pressed about an inch before im actually feeding oil to the engine whereas my 138 would get oil and rev with just that slight tap. at some point i did think maybe i should get a new throttle pedal on ebay but it got me confused.
my gti180 pedal is similar to THIS, i recognize it by the big plastic piece.
whereas a new pedal on ebay look like THIS, similar to my 138's pedal. part no. matches the 180 the according to service box. so which would it be?
another thing, the stiffness of my 180's clutch is A HELL LOTS more as compared to my old 138.
138 gear movement feels very smooth like it has a well defined path for the stick to move into all 6 gears and gives that nice solid sound. 180 gear change feels mushy, still able to change into gear just fine but the feel is just totally different from the 138.
are all 180's that different when first out of the factory? or am i needing to change parts on the 180? thanks for reading
the throttle will feel different as is a fly by wire on th 180 as opposed to the cable throttle on a 138 it has no direct link and will feel lighter and have less travel
the clutch shouldnt really feel any different as as far as i can remember both cars use a similar box and both have hydraulic clutchs so there maybe a fault with the clutch in some way
the gear linkage will feel very different as the 180 has cables joining the gearstick to the box as opposed to using a series of rods like the 138 although i felt the 180 cable gearlinkage is a lot more refined than the other 206s's but all peugeot gearchanges feel pretty naff to be honest lol
#19: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:04 pm ----
rttam wrote:
the throttle will feel different as is a fly by wire on th 180 as opposed to the cable throttle on a 138 it has no direct link and will feel lighter and have less travel
the clutch shouldnt really feel any different as as far as i can remember both cars use a similar box and both have hydraulic clutchs so there maybe a fault with the clutch in some way
the gear linkage will feel very different as the 180 has cables joining the gearstick to the box as opposed to using a series of rods like the 138 although i felt the 180 cable gearlinkage is a lot more refined than the other 206s's but all peugeot gearchanges feel pretty naff to be honest lol
so the throttle feels different but what about responsiveness? the 138 is very responsible whereas the 180 has to be depressed a little bit just before you get gas. is that normal for me?
but i do think my clutch needs help. are you quite certain both 138 and 180's clutch should feel the same or similarly close? i know my 180 is really really stiff whereas the 138 clutch is so light and depresses with such ease.
#20: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:09 am ---- The throttle on my 180 needs to be depressed a little bit before you get any response too, probably a normal thing.
#21: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:40 am ----
JE_180 wrote:
The throttle on my 180 needs to be depressed a little bit before you get any response too, probably a normal thing.
oh damn
that means i gotta get used to it
#22: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:45 am ----
bisphenol-a wrote:
JE_180 wrote:
The throttle on my 180 needs to be depressed a little bit before you get any response too, probably a normal thing.
oh damn
that means i gotta get used to it
Strange, my accelerator was never like this, there was no play in it before it would rev.
#23: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: JE_180, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:07 am ---- When I say depress it a little bit... I really mean a little bit like 5mm
#24: Re: driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? Author: SurfRat, Location: ZAPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:55 am ---- I disagree about the pedal height and heal and toe. You only heal and toe while braking so having the brake pedal higher than the accelerator pedal is correct because you depress the brake which is then level with the accelerator...
looking from the side...
At rest:
Brake position.......................|
Accelerator position......................|
While heal and toeing:
Brake position..............................|
Accelerator position.......................|
Notice the brake is now inline with the accelerator.
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