#1: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:07 am ---- I had a gti that didn't give me clutch problems .. When I moved onto the 180 I get really bad juddering in the morning, not so when warmed up. the mechanic I brought the car to agrees the juddering exist, brought it to the dealers to get some warranty issues looked at and the clutch looked into, sorry no clutch problems.
now they fault that im clutching too fast I clutch normal, not even fast like stepping on the brake to save a kid.
thing is when I clutch fast or slow hoping to find a way to minimize the juddering, I still get that awful judder. I don't fault my driving as I've driven all sorts of manuals (chauffering clients, friends' and helping friends test drive) but they probably think this is my first car and hope to pull a fast one.
#2: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: Icetto, Location: Cape TownPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:05 am ---- How many km on the car?
#3: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:24 am ---- Some 180's do suffer from clutch judder
#4: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: Lewis, Location: Isle Of WightPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:02 am ---- clutch judder is common on the 180 mine does it if you dont give it enough juice when on the bite point!
#5: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:58 am ---- Clutch Judder is a legitimate problem, there are many threads on here about it. It seems that replacing the clutch and flywheel normally fixes it. (Although expensive!)
Don’t believe the dealers, on more than one occasion I have been told that my "problem" simply doesn’t exist. Only for another garage or myself to find the problem and fix it weeks later.
If your pug dealers anything like mine they will only fix simple evident problems, with anything that needs a bit of investigation they return the car stating "fault not present"
#6: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:37 am ----
bisphenol-a wrote:
im clutching too fast
#7: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:39 am ---- I have the exact same problem and someone else I know personally with a 206cc.
It can be avoided gas before biting point, works always for me or if I clutch very slow it won't judder.
#8: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:01 am ----
Icetto wrote:
How many km on the car?
just over 50000 miles on the clock.
is it time for a clutch change?
#9: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:17 am ---- A clutch should last for more than 50 000 miles under normal driving conditions, the garage said that because they dont want to pay out under warranty to get it fixed you need maybe some kind of statement from a recognised garage to prove there is a fault.
Its a common cause on the 180 (clutch judder) i believe its because of the lightened flywheel, think i read it somewhere
#10: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:07 pm ---- Would it be cheaper to buy the clutch kit yourself and get the garage to fit it in or for the garage to order the kit themselves and fit it in? I take it they would order the standard clutch kit? I was told to get LUK, Sachs or Valeo kit and lets say I did... how much to expect for the garage to replace?
#11: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:43 pm ----
bisphenol-a wrote:
Icetto wrote:
How many km on the car?
just over 50000 miles on the clock.
is it time for a clutch change?
ive seen clutches that need changing after 10,000 miles and clutches that need changing on 180,000 miles (a peugeot 307 still on the original clutch)
Its totally dependent on how the cars driven, no one can answer that question
#12: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:36 am ----
karimali831 wrote:
Would it be cheaper to buy the clutch kit yourself and get the garage to fit it in or for the garage to order the kit themselves and fit it in? I take it they would order the standard clutch kit? I was told to get LUK, Sachs or Valeo kit and lets say I did... how much to expect for the garage to replace?
It would probably be cheaper for you to buy it but alot of garages dont like that because they sell the service for fixing the car as well as selling the parts so that would mean less money for them.
Valeo or LuK is a safe bet never used a Sachs so cant really say.
I think a clutch change is around £200 - £300
but if youve got clutch judder it will need a new flywheel as well most likely not sure on the price of them for a 180
and sorry i dont know what that converts to for AUS$
#13: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:54 pm ----
ramigojag wrote:
karimali831 wrote:
Would it be cheaper to buy the clutch kit yourself and get the garage to fit it in or for the garage to order the kit themselves and fit it in? I take it they would order the standard clutch kit? I was told to get LUK, Sachs or Valeo kit and lets say I did... how much to expect for the garage to replace?
It would probably be cheaper for you to buy it but alot of garages dont like that because they sell the service for fixing the car as well as selling the parts so that would mean less money for them.
Valeo or LuK is a safe bet never used a Sachs so cant really say.
I think a clutch change is around £200 - £300
but if youve got clutch judder it will need a new flywheel as well most likely not sure on the price of them for a 180
and sorry i dont know what that converts to for AUS$
Can't it be one or the other that cause clutch judder and must flywheel be specific to the clutch kit or any flywheel?
#14: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:35 am ---- so what is a surefire way to remedy the problem?
machine the flywheel plus throw on a new clutch kit?
#15: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:54 am ---- Most 180s suffer from a bit of clutch judder, Its definetly not worth buying a new flywheel and clutch kit to fix it (unless the clutch is on its way out already).
The judder can also be caused by the clutch cover if the fingers are bent.
#16: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: bisphenol-a, Location: AntarcticaPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:30 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Most 180s suffer from a bit of clutch judder, Its definetly not worth buying a new flywheel and clutch kit to fix it (unless the clutch is on its way out already).
The judder can also be caused by the clutch cover if the fingers are bent.
so you are saying that most 180 owners are driving with a slight judder? the garage said that the fly wheel needs machining and a new clutch, and that would solve the problem. didnt say anything about buying a new flywheel, just machining would solve the problem. hence i was thinking just change a new clutch + machining the flywheel.
or is it not needed?
#17: Re: is there such a thing as "stepping the clutch too fast" ? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:33 am ----
bisphenol-a wrote:
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Most 180s suffer from a bit of clutch judder, Its definetly not worth buying a new flywheel and clutch kit to fix it (unless the clutch is on its way out already).
The judder can also be caused by the clutch cover if the fingers are bent.
so you are saying that most 180 owners are driving with a slight judder? the garage said that the fly wheel needs machining and a new clutch, and that would solve the problem. didnt say anything about buying a new flywheel, just machining would solve the problem. hence i was thinking just change a new clutch + machining the flywheel.
or is it not needed?
It could solve the issue I guess but for what its going to cost its not worth it just to stop a bit of judder thats a very common thing on a 180, you mayaswell wait until the clutch/release bearing is on its way out.
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I clutch normal, not even fast like stepping on the brake to save a kid.
