#1: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:50 am ---- Just wondering if a 2004 PEUGEOT 206 CONVERTIBLE 1.6 with disc + abs would fit my 2000 PEUGEOT 206 GTI 2.0 ?? I would imagine it would but wasn't sure as its convertible model ...
#2: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:40 am ---- .... Last edited by CD-B3 on Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:16 am; edited 1 time in total
#3: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:59 am ---- No. Needs to be from a Y plate or older
#4: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Matt, Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:43 am ---- No, as said above its too new. You need one from an older model.
#5: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:13 am ---- Why does it have to be older ?
#6: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:30 am ----
Linkpad wrote:
Why does it have to be older ?
The ABS system is totally different on your 206 to the system fitted to a 2004 car.
#7: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:37 am ---- So i thought my W reg didnt have ABS anyway and coudnt it just be fitted with the cables cut out ? Or is it more involved than that ? The mechanic said he could just cut them back ?
#8: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:54 am ----
Linkpad wrote:
So i thought my W reg didnt have ABS anyway and coudnt it just be fitted with the cables cut out ? Or is it more involved than that ? The mechanic said he could just cut them back ?
Your GTI had ABS fitted when it rolled of the prodution line, I told you to check the bulb for the ABS warning light in the instrument cluster in your other thread.
#9: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:59 am ---- Yeah ive been told it does but surely if the axle was fitted without ABS it would still function as intended and the ABS light would stay on they can't fail an MOT for it and i have an axel thats 4 years newer ? What im concerned with is will the car still function without ABS on the rear ?
#10: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:01 am ----
Linkpad wrote:
Yeah ive been told it does but surely if the axle was fitted without ABS it would still function as intended and the ABS light would stay on they can't fail an MOT for it and i have an axel thats 4 years newer ? What im concerned with is will the car still function without ABS on the rear ?
ABS warning light on / not working or not going through the correct check sequence is an automatic mot failure.
#11: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:12 am ---- If the car had ABS then the light must function and work correctly.
Just get the correct axle and get it all working, or get a newer axle, don't connect the abs and get a 'mate' to get it through an mot for you.
Your choice, I know what I would do.
#12: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:13 am ---- Newer axles wont have the brake compensating valve fitted.
#13: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:15 pm ---- Has anyone actually tried fitting a newer axle before ? or is it a no no ? Is it just the brakes themselves with ABS not the actual axle that need changing ?
#14: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:22 pm ----
Linkpad wrote:
Has anyone actually tried fitting a newer axle before ? or is it a no no ? Is it just the brakes themselves with ABS not the actual axle that need changing ?
This newer 04 axle wont have a rear brake compensator valve fitted.
Your 206 GTI might have one fitted, some older 206's with ABS did & some didnt, depends on the ABS system.
#15: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:27 pm ---- My Dec 2000 build GTi doesn't have a compensator.
#16: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:31 pm ---- Bugger so the compensator is built into the axle itself not the brake caliper ?
#17: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: martinius88, Location: Rushden, NorthantsPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:32 pm ---- Why not heed the advice of people that know what they're talking about?? Whats the point of not having the abs just because its a 'newer' axel... In reality anything could go wrong straight away regardless of the age. Also wouldn't it be cheaper to get a slightly older one? And the abs is linked to the brakes not axel.
My opinion anyway, as i dont think itll improve the performance in anyway. Well upto you mate.
#18: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:36 pm ---- Well i already ordered the axle and the mechanic said it would be fine so i thought i would ask here check and you said it wouldn't luckily ebay do refunds. Im just worried if i get another axle the same age ill just get the same friggin problem !!
"Dont let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy !!"
#19: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:01 pm ----
Well i already ordered the axle and the mechanic said it would be fine so i thought i would ask here check and you said it wouldn't luckily ebay do refunds. Im just worried if i get another axle the same age ill just get the same friggin problem !!
"Dont let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy !!"
Ahhh i see, fair enough, well whatever you decide todo hopefully it all works out and grt it sorted
#21: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:52 pm ---- None of the ones I had had a compensator on the axle, always a first though
#22: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:53 pm ---- how can u tell ? I thought it was 2 good to see a 2004 206 axle on Ebay. Who needs MOTs anyway !!
#23: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:56 pm ---- my git axle got no compensator.
there is always loads of disc axle on ebay.
you could always just swap the axle tube only, that would solve everything
#24: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:32 pm ---- is it a git or a gti ? i think mines a git
#25: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:43 pm ---- typo, is gti
#26: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:59 pm ---- Age has nothing to do with it anyway I would be more interested in the mileage it has done.
#27: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:07 am ----
Rob2859 wrote:
Age has nothing to do with it anyway I would be more interested in the mileage it has done.
Incorrect.
I beam on a car that has sat up for years will be worse than a beam from a car that has been used.
#28: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:21 am ---- Coudnt i just fit the rear brakes off my old axle onto the new axle with the ABS being correct ?
#29: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:29 am ---- I've had three axles, two had compensators and one didn't. All the same age
#30: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:37 am ---- Ill wait until the 2004 year axle comes for my 2000 GTI and get the mechanic to look on Monday I can see the ABS pump with the six pipes coming off it but not sure where u can see the compensators ? Its just a hydraulic driven pump as far as im concerned but it definatley works as the lights goes away when i start ignition ...
#31: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:53 am ---- Its the ABS sensors on the axle that are different and WILL NOT FIT AS YOUR CAR IS NON-PLEXED AND THE 2004 IS MULTIPLEXED AND USES A CAN NETWORK...THEY ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE!!!!!!!
#32: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:56 am ----
Linkpad wrote:
but it definatley works as the lights goes away when i start ignition ...
You said in your other thread the ABS warning light wasnt working
#33: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:21 pm ---- If you have a compensator it will be on the rear axle, not on or near the ABS pump
Getting your hopes up about a 2004 beam is just going to end in tears, if you can cancel it and don't get it then you should. Research if you need a compensator, then get the correct year.
Funnily enough I actually have one that would be fine
#34: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: sicskate, Location: Margate, KentPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:10 pm ---- I fitted a 2004 180 axle to my 2000 gti.
I just removed the extra arms, swapped the abs sensors and fitted new rear hubs, worked a charm.
Oh and I fitted my original calipers too.
#35: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:44 pm ---- So you basically replaced everything except the ARB and torsion bars which you can buy for £150 new?
#36: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: sicskate, Location: Margate, KentPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:04 pm ---- I got it from a scrap yard for £30 as the bushes on mine were dead and I was skint with a newborn.
I used the 180 trailing arms but not the lateral arms due to the exhaust. It was easy work as its all very accessible off the car.
Was only 3 hours work.
Calipers off, hubs off, abs out.
New disks and pads, old abs back in, hubs on, disks, calipers on, hub nut and wheel. Last edited by sicskate on Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:10 pm; edited 1 time in total
#37: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:09 pm ---- It's only £30 for new bushes
#38: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: sicskate, Location: Margate, KentPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:12 pm ----
Lee wrote:
It's only £30 for new bushes
Rear arms were wobbling all over the shop, I didn't touch the trailing arms on the replacement axle.
#39: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:58 am ---- Garage managed to replace it with the 2004 Axle in the end they had to order in new aftermarket ABS sensors and fit them in, but they used my old brake caliper and wheel bearings. Works a treat now ABS works fine, Is there anything else i can do to prolong the axle ? I don't know who was saying u can't stick this axle on a 2000 GTI but u need lessons in not being IGNORANT. Anyway thanks for the help and for anyone else out there wanting a newer axle...
#40: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: parkesie, Location: HampshirePosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:16 am ---- Just goes to show with a little bit of side ways thinking anything can be made to fit.
#41: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: steve01, Location: south westPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:52 am ---- nice one linkpad you must have a good local garage, also some interesting info obtained. just goes to show that anything can fit if you think about it long enough or have very deep pockets.
Good work
#42: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:32 pm ----
Linkpad wrote:
Garage managed to replace it with the 2004 Axle in the end they had to order in new aftermarket ABS sensors and fit them in, but they used my old brake caliper and wheel bearings. Works a treat now ABS works fine, Is there anything else i can do to prolong the axle ? I don't know who was saying u can't stick this axle on a 2000 GTI but u need lessons in not being IGNORANT. Anyway thanks for the help and for anyone else out there wanting a newer axle...
No one said it couldn't fit, but when you can get the correct one for the same price what on earth is the point on getting a different one then having to buy more things to make it work correctly?
I don't see your logic, glad to see it worked out though even if you had go the long way about it.
#43: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:06 am ---- Quote : "Its the ABS sensors on the axle that are different and WILL NOT FIT AS YOUR CAR IS NON-PLEXED AND THE 2004 IS MULTIPLEXED AND USES A CAN NETWORK...THEY ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE!!!!!!!
"
I know it was extra work but i could have just stuck a 2000 Year axle that was already worn down... I always wanted to use newer axle's.
#44: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:32 am ----
Linkpad wrote:
Quote : "Its the ABS sensors on the axle that are different and WILL NOT FIT AS YOUR CAR IS NON-PLEXED AND THE 2004 IS MULTIPLEXED AND USES A CAN NETWORK...THEY ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE!!!!!!!
"
I know it was extra work but i could have just stuck a 2000 Year axle that was already worn down... I always wanted to use newer axle's.
Any smart person would have just bought a refurbed axle with a warranty, there cheap enough.
#45: Re: 206 Rear Axle Replacement Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:44 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Linkpad wrote:
Quote : "Its the ABS sensors on the axle that are different and WILL NOT FIT AS YOUR CAR IS NON-PLEXED AND THE 2004 IS MULTIPLEXED AND USES A CAN NETWORK...THEY ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE!!!!!!!
"
I know it was extra work but i could have just stuck a 2000 Year axle that was already worn down... I always wanted to use newer axle's.
Any smart person would have just bought a refurbed axle with a warranty, there cheap enough.
Mine ended up costing a similar amount to a refurbed one in the end. 150 for a used axle, plus ~160 for bearings and bushes then 100 quid fitting. minus from that 80 from ebaying the old axle. factor in the 4 visits to the dealer to swap bushes for the right ones and i think i would have been better off dropping it off and having it replaced 'properly'.
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