#1: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Cherry180, Location: SomersetPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:39 am ---- So I took my partners Gti180 for a spin the other night and couldnt help but think 'it must have something up with it'
It feels flat as a turd, torqueless with no real fizz up the higher revs?
I myself have a Ph1 Clio 172, and it would utterly shame the 206 in a straight line (and the corners )... Leading me to again think there's something wrong with the 206??
It doesnt have any running issues at all, no management lights etc... It just isnt packing as much of a punch as I would expect.
Do these suffer any blind problems? VVT Solenoid packed up or along those lines??
Cheers
#2: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:59 am ---- If the vvt was playing up you would get beaten by a 1.0l micra. Has it had a good service at all?
If the timing belt has been replace by someone who dont know what they are doing that can throw the performance out the window too
cannot really think of anythink else other than maybe a blocked cat?
#3: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:17 am ---- Happend to mine twice once when it was serviced with Ngk plugs instead and once when the vvt sensor broke.
#4: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:18 am ---- Awaits the " whats wrong with NGK plugs " question for the 50000000000th time on here
#5: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:20 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Awaits the " whats wrong with NGK plugs " question for the 50000000000th time on here
I ran NGK for 50k in my xsi over 4 years and not once had a problem
#6: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:24 am ----
HDI90 wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
Awaits the " whats wrong with NGK plugs " question for the 50000000000th time on here
I ran NGK for 50k in my xsi over 4 years and not once had a problem
One of the lucky few then
Plenty of people on here over the years have had lots of problems running NGK plugs in 206's
#7: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: starkie, Location: 5826Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:57 am ---- ill be the one to ask... NGK problems?
#8: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:03 pm ---- Im pretty sure the plugs in my 180 are NGK i dont have a problem with them, although they were the ones that came in the car so not really got anything to compare them to
#9: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:38 pm ----
ramigojag wrote:
Im pretty sure the plugs in my 180 are NGK i dont have a problem with them, although they were the ones that came in the car so not really got anything to compare them to
Old wifes tail that foats around here
#10: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:42 pm ----
HDI90 wrote:
ramigojag wrote:
Im pretty sure the plugs in my 180 are NGK i dont have a problem with them, although they were the ones that came in the car so not really got anything to compare them to
Old wifes tail that foats around here
No my 180 actually felt like 1.1 with Ngk swapped for bosch and was back to normal.
#11: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Cherry180, Location: SomersetPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:46 pm ---- I think I'll give it a good service and go from there.
I would have imagined if the cambelt was done by some monkey, It be having more serious issues than slightly flat performance?
Perhaps run a diag over it also, see if it picks up any faults.
Is it worth taking the vvt solenoid out and cleaning it up (judging by searches on here) or is that just a place-bo thing on these?
#12: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:49 pm ----
NICKST wrote:
HDI90 wrote:
ramigojag wrote:
Im pretty sure the plugs in my 180 are NGK i dont have a problem with them, although they were the ones that came in the car so not really got anything to compare them to
Old wifes tail that foats around here
No my 180 actually felt like 1.1 with Ngk swapped for bosch and was back to normal.
why did peugeot put them in then? ive know alot of ew10 engines running the no problem at all
#13: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Cherry180, Location: SomersetPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:55 pm ---- Its quite funny as the Renault F7R is quite the opposite.
It came with NGK's and must only use NGK's, Bosch Super 4's are a big NO with them.
#14: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:49 pm ----
Cherry180 wrote:
Its quite funny as the Renault F7R is quite the opposite.
It came with NGK's and must only use NGK's, Bosch Super 4's are a big NO with them.
Most PSA engines do too but some say they are the devil, ive never had a problem in any peugeot ive had running NGK,S in the past 12 years
#15: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:03 pm ----
HDI90 wrote:
NICKST wrote:
HDI90 wrote:
ramigojag wrote:
Im pretty sure the plugs in my 180 are NGK i dont have a problem with them, although they were the ones that came in the car so not really got anything to compare them to
Old wifes tail that foats around here
No my 180 actually felt like 1.1 with Ngk swapped for bosch and was back to normal.
why did peugeot put them in then? ive know alot of ew10 engines running the no problem at all
I do not now why they did because the Peugeot dealer I worked for didn't even stock ngk plugs just Bosch.
You wont no the differnce If you have all ways used Ngk unless you try the Bosch.
#16: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: crocdino, Location: LeedsPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:54 am ---- I swapped the plugs in mine.. It had Denso ones in it for some reason - gapped at around 2mm!!
Put in the standard Bosch plugs (from the dealer) gapped correctly and it was like a new car to drive.
#17: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: colganraz, Location: LeedsPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:11 am ----
Cherry180 wrote:
So I took my partners Gti180 for a spin the other night and couldnt help but think 'it must have something up with it'
It feels flat as a turd, torqueless with no real fizz up the higher revs?
I myself have a Ph1 Clio 172, and it would utterly shame the 206 in a straight line (and the corners )... Leading me to again think there's something wrong with the 206??
It doesnt have any running issues at all, no management lights etc... It just isnt packing as much of a punch as I would expect.
Do these suffer any blind problems? VVT Solenoid packed up or along those lines??
Cheers
172 is quicker in a straight line anyways, but not to the point of the 206 feeling slow and like garbage, maybe it needs a service including new plugs?
#18: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Bilco9, Location: Who's askingPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:23 am ---- Maybe you just need a new car. the 206 gti 180 were fast. when i had one everything beat me in straight line speed!!!
#19: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:28 am ---- tell her she needs a Clio
#20: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Bilco9, Location: Who's askingPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:40 am ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
tell her she needs a Clio
I wish i had gone for a clio my 206 was always breaking! It cost me £1000!!!!
#21: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:23 am ----
Bilco9 wrote:
Maybe you just need a new car. the 206 gti 180 were fast. when i had one everything beat me in straight line speed!!!
never found mine slow at all compared to similarly powered hatches but straight lines not what a hot hatch is about its all about the twisty b-roads and with a good suspension set-up the 180 is awesome
#22: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:00 pm ----
crocdino wrote:
I swapped the plugs in mine.. It had Denso ones in it for some reason - gapped at around 2mm!!
Put in the standard Bosch plugs (from the dealer) gapped correctly and it was like a new car to drive.
Which gap is correct.
#23: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:11 pm ----
crocdino wrote:
I swapped the plugs in mine.. It had Denso ones in it for some reason - gapped at around 2mm!!
Denso are part of the Toyota group
#24: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:31 am ----
Schumi wrote:
crocdino wrote:
I swapped the plugs in mine.. It had Denso ones in it for some reason - gapped at around 2mm!!
Put in the standard Bosch plugs (from the dealer) gapped correctly and it was like a new car to drive.
Which gap is correct.
I seem to remember reading on auto data should be 0.9mm gap on the 180 engine
could be wrong though
#25: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Cherry180, Location: SomersetPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:21 am ---- Update
Ran a diag on the car to find the following:
Intermittent fault. Variable timing electrovalve Locked at the lower stop.
and
Intermittent fault. Variable timing electrovalve Locked at the upper stop.
Thoughts?
#26: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:22 am ----
Cherry180 wrote:
Update
Ran a diag on the car to find the following:
Intermittent fault. Variable timing electrovalve Locked at the lower stop.
and
Intermittent fault. Variable timing electrovalve Locked at the upper stop.
Thoughts?
First clean the VVT solenoid, if that doesnt cure it then replace it, there cheap enough.
Peugeot / Citroen part number 1920 GR SOLENOID VALVE £78.65 including the VAT should be the one.
#27: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: colganraz, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:08 am ----
Bilco9 wrote:
Maybe you just need a new car. the 206 gti 180 were fast. when i had one everything beat me in straight line speed!!!
a) Everything you raced was turbo powered
b) you cant drive fast in a straight line
c) there was something wrong with your 180
#28: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: Cherry180, Location: SomersetPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:42 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Cherry180 wrote:
Update
Ran a diag on the car to find the following:
Intermittent fault. Variable timing electrovalve Locked at the lower stop.
and
Intermittent fault. Variable timing electrovalve Locked at the upper stop.
Thoughts?
First clean the VVT solenoid, if that doesnt cure it then replace it, there cheap enough.
Peugeot / Citroen part number 1920 GR SOLENOID VALVE £78.65 including the VAT should be the one.
I can get it a tad cheaper (£60.56 Inc Vat) so I'm just going to get a new one instead of faffin about with the original.
See how it goes
#29: Re: 206 Gti 180 - Slow? Author: yokel, Location: NorfolkPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:45 am ---- Did you manage to sort this issue out with the electrovalve? Recently had similar performance issues, pug diag came up with intermittant electrovalue they reset the system but it feels lagging again, need to take it back really and get it checked again.
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