#1: Opinions and suggestions welcome please Author: mac_rouser, Location: yorkshirePosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:34 am ---- Moderators please move to correct location, unable to post in problem section, thank you
Ok, my neighbour has a Peugeot 206 Gti 2003, it failed it’s MOT on a rather simple issue.
001 Antilock braking system warning lamp does not illuminate (3.4.16)
002 Rear brake pads less than 1.5mm thick (3.5.1f)
So, we have a situation where when the ignition key is turned and the preliminary checks display on the dashboard prior to starting the engine. The ABS lamp does not come on.
This is the prime reason for the MOT fail.
Checking the wiring it is possible to light the lamp, but not via the initial ignition turn.
So it seems the associated wiring to the lamp is not faulty.
After some tests etc., the Peugeot experts suggest the fault lays in one of the two ECU’s one is the main ECU and the other is the ABS related ECU.
They opt to change the main ECU, this fails to rectify the problem.
The expert mechanics have changed and checked numerous sensors and as mentioned the main ECU, following this they then change the second ECU, to no avail, so far at a whopping cost of almost £2000 so far.
Now they suggest they need to change the instrument cluster, gods knows what cost this would involve.
My personal view is the garage is taking the proverbial Michael, and charging exorbitant costs to the customer, whilst they carry out a series of trials and errors. Hardly the work of an expert, more like a fledgling apprentice.
I think it reasonable he should perhaps pay for labour as they delve and investigate, but I don’t agree he should pay for various replacement parts when the fail to resolve the issues, to my mind if the replacement part does not cure the fault, then there was nothing wrong with the original part in the first place, they ought to put the original part back on the car and put the new part back on the spares shelf.
The garage say these are specialist parts specifically ordered in, this seems extreme and a little ridiculous since his car is a bog standard off the production line model of which there are thousands on the road. Specialist parts my foot!
Incidentally, they have yet to change the brake pads which quite possibly could have been the fault that flagged the failing ABS lamp, since the sensors are reporting they are below 1.5mm. To my view this would have been the first thing I would have done, before getting into the marathon of why the lamp failed to light.
A suggestion made via a forum says .. Seems there is a junction box at the bottom of the engine compartment which gets full of water?? I wonder what the junction box is and it's exact location.
Opinions and suggestions welcome please.
#2: Re: Opinions and suggestions welcome please Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:13 am ---- Really needs scanning with Peugeot Planet.
Is the ABS actually turned on in the BSI configuration set up?
NOTE: If a replacement instrument cluster is fitted, make sure the mileage on the replacement cluster is LOWER then the mileage currently showing on the car!
206 doesnt have brake pad sensors, this wont be the cause of the non working ABS light.
#3: Re: Opinions and suggestions welcome please Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:43 am ---- Checked the instrument cluster to see if someone has removed the ABS bulb?
#4: Re: Opinions and suggestions welcome please Author: chimp3106, Location: loughboroughPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:14 am ---- good idea g as if people want to sell a car and the abs light wont go off easy fix is take bulb out
#5: Re: Opinions and suggestions welcome please Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:29 am ---- Can you take the bulb out on that cluster, I thought plexed cars had smds soldered into it? :S
#6: Re: Opinions and suggestions welcome please Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:01 am ----
Abzynthe wrote:
Can you take the bulb out on that cluster, I thought plexed cars had smds soldered into it? :S
Similar to this one. The ABS warning light is the one circled at the top left.
Worth checking to make sure it hasn't been taped over.
#7: Re: Opinions and suggestions welcome please Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:02 pm ---- You do realise that the ECU wouldnt have never solved it, this fault is more than likely related towards the BSi area
I would refuse point blank to pay, like at our main dealers complain hard enough and you will get what you want
Side note, cars probably only worth 1 to 1.5k tops
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