#1: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:53 am ---- i have a 2000 x 206 HDI, that was fine for 7 months, then one day stalled while i was driving.
tried to restart it, it wouldnt, left it an hour or so and it started and run fine, one left it over night and it was fine.
it has done this about 5 times now,
when it wont start you cant hear the fuel pump priming, or the fuel relay click
any ideas?
is there a way to bridge the connections on the fuel pump relay to eliminate that?
#2: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:59 am ---- the fuel pump is on the engine driven by a belt so you cannot bridge that!
Have you got any warning lights showing up?
#3: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:01 pm ---- i want to bridge the fuel pump relay, not the actual pump, incase that is broke
no warning lights at all
#4: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: andygriff, Location: shropshirePosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:08 pm ---- i have got the same problem on my gti justs cuts out no fuel comein up leave it for a hour then it starts fine again, i was thinkin faulty fuel relay that is under the ecu
#5: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:39 pm ---- Have a look what other working relays are in there and switch them over
#6: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:16 pm ---- The fuel relay is like no other on the car
#7: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:24 pm ----
HDI90 wrote:
the fuel pump is on the engine driven by a belt so you cannot bridge that!
Have you got any warning lights showing up?
Eh? Since when? So what is that sound when you turn on the ignition...
#8: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Ash, Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:27 pm ----
tomd0801754 wrote:
HDI90 wrote:
the fuel pump is on the engine driven by a belt so you cannot bridge that!
Have you got any warning lights showing up?
Eh? Since when? So what is that sound when you turn on the ignition...
That's the engine idling therefore priming the fuel.
And then you turn it again and the engine starts.
#9: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:31 pm ---- I always thought it was electric...
#10: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:35 pm ----
tomd0801754 wrote:
I always thought it was electric...
Electric lift pump in the tank & mechanical high pressure pump on the engine.
#11: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:35 pm ---- the HP pump is belt driven
#12: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:43 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
I always thought it was electric...
Electric lift pump in the tank & mechanical high pressure pump on the engine.
So I was half right... Ah well, you learn something new everyday.
#13: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:00 pm ----
tomd0801754 wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
I always thought it was electric...
Electric lift pump in the tank & mechanical high pressure pump on the engine.
So I was half right... Ah well, you learn something new everyday.
Depends on the HDI engine in question & what it's fitted to.
Some HDI set up's dont have / need the electric in tank lift pump.
#14: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:41 pm ---- mine has a lift pump in tank,
and that done sound nor does rhe relat under the ECU click, when it wont start
so i dont know if the relay is knackered or wiring fault, or maybe ECU
or something else i dont know about?
#15: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:43 pm ----
Ash wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
HDI90 wrote:
the fuel pump is on the engine driven by a belt so you cannot bridge that!
Have you got any warning lights showing up?
Eh? Since when? So what is that sound when you turn on the ignition...
That's the engine idling therefore priming the fuel.
And then you turn it again and the engine starts.
idling..lol nope, thats the fuel system being primed
#16: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:39 am ----
Spiky wrote:
mine has a lift pump in tank,
and that done sound nor does rhe relat under the ECU click, when it wont start
so i dont know if the relay is knackered or wiring fault, or maybe ECU
or something else i dont know about?
When it fails to start, lift up the rear seat & give a few hard / heavy smacks with your fist around where the plastic cover is on the floor pan, if it then starts your looking at a faulty lift pump.
#17: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Ash, Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:27 pm ----
Spiky wrote:
Ash wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
HDI90 wrote:
the fuel pump is on the engine driven by a belt so you cannot bridge that!
Have you got any warning lights showing up?
Eh? Since when? So what is that sound when you turn on the ignition...
That's the engine idling therefore priming the fuel.
And then you turn it again and the engine starts.
idling..lol nope, thats the fuel system being primed
It was me being sarcastic
#18: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:41 am ---- When it don't start the relay under the. Ecu dont click, so the pump isn't going to work anyhow
Think I may buy. Rely and see
#19: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: yanto, Location: SOUTH WALESPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:00 pm ---- when it cuts out it wont start, and the pump in the tank wont work for a few minutes,
leave the ignition off for a few minutes then try, you should hear the pump in tank
priming up.normal fault for cutting out on a hdi is the fuel pump pressure regulator
#20: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:04 pm ---- I have a few spare relays if you need one.
#21: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:44 pm ----
yanto wrote:
when it cuts out it wont start, and the pump in the tank wont work for a few minutes,
leave the ignition off for a few minutes then try, you should hear the pump in tank
priming up.normal fault for cutting out on a hdi is the fuel pump pressure regulator
no fuel pump priming even after an hour
Lee wrote:
I have a few spare relays if you need one.
hi, that would be handy, how much, and paypal ok?
#22: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:49 pm ---- Yeah paypal would be fine. £7 delivered or £7.39 if paying by goods.
#23: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Deckchair5, Location: Bath UKPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:13 pm ---- I think I'd be checking the crank sensor output when it's in the fault condition as it's classic symptoms of a crank sensor cracking up when it simply shows no signs of life and then leave it for an hour, it cools down and it behaves as if nothing was wrong
If the ECU doesn't know where the piston position is then it won't allow fuel in to start the engine. It's sat there waiting for the engine to start turning and show at least minimum rpm, not realising that it's already cranking
#24: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:06 am ---- without looking, are the crank sensors on the 206 the same as the one's found on a 306, as i have loads of them
#25: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Spiky, Location: CardiffPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:30 pm ---- Ok received a replacement fuel relay
So went out today to replace car wouldn't start so perfect really
Fitted relay, starts
Put old relay back on, won't start
New relay, works again,
Perfect , happy bunny now
#26: Re: 206 HDI cutting out, fail's to restart Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:37 pm ----
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