#1: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: ct-xsi, Location: WakefieldPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:39 am ---- Basically, ive had the car nearly a year and ive replaced the gearbox twice, the unfortunate thing is that it has gone again, leaving it stuck in gear and a huge puddle of oil in tesco car park...
Ive been paying anything from 250-375 for the gearbox's so its really starting to add up..
my questions are:
1. Has anyone got pictures of the gearbox mounted up on there 1.1, 1.4, 1.6 8v or gti motors so i can see if the mountings are all the same
and
2. Are the gearboxs interchangeable throughout the range? as i could get a 1.1 box for like 60 quid at my local scrappy...
Ive seen people fit the jp4 engine into 106 gtis and rallyes n stuff n im sure ive seen people fit 1.3 rallye boxes to them?
So basically im wanting to know if i could go and get any 206 box and wack it on, even though it would alter gear ratios and what not, i wouldnt mind that
Any help appreciated
#2: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: andrew206gti, Location: Crediton, DEVONPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:45 am ---- Im having the same trouble at the mo with my car. ive asked the same question to a couple of mechanics and they said ideally you need to get the same box. this doesnt help i know but i cant get a better answer my self
#3: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:47 am ---- The TU, ET and DV4 lumps are MA boxes
The DW, EW and DV6 are BE boxes
The ratios will be different if you get one from a different engine, but they will fit.
#4: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: ct-xsi, Location: WakefieldPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:49 am ---- ino ive been told that from a pug specialist with a reply along the lines of no a 50 quid box wont fit, you need a 350 quid box instead, whcih i just so hapen to have here..
which i rekon is bull s**t...
if people can run them in saxos n 106's they wont run a 206 box with it, so im going to post on sax-p also see what boxes people run..
i arent paying £350 for another box when im wanting to sell the car
#5: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: ct-xsi, Location: WakefieldPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:50 am ----
Lee wrote:
The TU, ET and DV4 lumps are MA boxes
The DW, EW and DV6 are BE boxes
The ratios will be different if you get one from a different engine, but they will fit.
wow wow hold up, im lost with all the code speak
simplyfy for me cause im a retard
#6: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:55 am ---- You have a 1.6 16v? Yes?
Any box from a 1.1, 1.4 8v, 1.4 16v, 1.6 8v, 1.6 16v and 1.4 HDi will fit.
But they all have slightly different ratios depending on the engine. The HDi will be miles out with it being a derv.
#7: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: ct-xsi, Location: WakefieldPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:56 am ---- all mountings and driveshafts the same etc?
had a quick click on your parts for sale post.. you have any low mileage boxes going cheap?
#8: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:27 pm ---- the same....
you will need to make sure the one you get run hydraulic clutch.
As 106/saxo box run cable clutch.
#9: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: ct-xsi, Location: WakefieldPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:30 pm ---- ah yea forgot about that... is there any 1.4/1.6's that run hydraulic? searching ebay and all the 1.4/1.6 8 valvers are all cable type like in early 106 n saxos
#10: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: ct-xsi, Location: WakefieldPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:48 pm ---- Sorry for double post..
but i have another question...
1. Are the linkages the same on all the boxes below:
"Any box from a 1.1, 1.4 8v, 1.4 16v, 1.6 8v, 1.6 16v and 1.4 HDi will fit."
2. How hard would it be to convert my hyraulic clutch to cable? would it just be a case of blank off the pipe from master cyclinder and then fit a cable box, cable and cable type clutch pedal?
#12: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:31 am ---- There is a guy who is thinking of buying an xsi for £500. If he splits it I'd buy the whole engine and replace it.
#13: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:40 am ---- Needs to be a MA gearbox as Lee said and you need one with the right linkage (yours should be rod). Look on the saxo forum there is a table with all the gear ratios on it.
Not much in it with most of the ratios, the rallye boxes are quite a bit shorter but hard to get and most are probably worn out. I wanted one but could find one near me.
Also how do you mange to break so many? In my first year of driving I abused my box and wheel spun it all the time but it only broke just recently. The planet gears fell out and there was a bit of play in some bearings. Only cost me £175
#14: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:52 am ----
Rob2859 wrote:
Needs to be a MA gearbox as Lee said and you need one with the right linkage (yours should be rod). Look on the saxo forum there is a table with all the gear ratios on it.
Not much in it with most of the ratios, the rallye boxes are quite a bit shorter but hard to get and most are probably worn out. I wanted one but could find one near me.
Also how do you mange to break so many? In my first year of driving I abused my box and wheel spun it all the time but it only broke just recently. The planet gears fell out and there was a bit of play in some bearings. Only cost me £175
it is close because it run 4.54 final drive, most 106 use the same gearset ratio.
#15: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:01 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
Rob2859 wrote:
Needs to be a MA gearbox as Lee said and you need one with the right linkage (yours should be rod). Look on the saxo forum there is a table with all the gear ratios on it.
Not much in it with most of the ratios, the rallye boxes are quite a bit shorter but hard to get and most are probably worn out. I wanted one but could find one near me.
Also how do you mange to break so many? In my first year of driving I abused my box and wheel spun it all the time but it only broke just recently. The planet gears fell out and there was a bit of play in some bearings. Only cost me £175
it is close because it run 4.54 final drive, most 106 use the same gearset ratio.
That is the one. Didn't quite remember it correctly. I actually got a box with a 4.54 ratio but it was noisy turning it around and the oil that was in the bottom was grey and full of crap so I didn't bother putting it in.
#16: Re: 1.6 16v Gearbox Author: ct-xsi, Location: WakefieldPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:43 pm ---- what are peoples opinions on a 'Citroen Xsara VTR 1.6 16v Gearbox' fitting my car? rekon itll be a straight swap? linkages etc the same?
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