#1: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:39 pm ---- I've always wondered why there is about 10hp difference between the Silvertop Saxo VTR (98hp) and the 206 XS (88hp) when it is the same 1.6 8 valve engine. What exactly makes the difference?
- Cam
- Head
- ECU Map
?
Thanks
#2: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:08 pm ---- bear in mind that early silvertop can also be 90bhp
anyway they are totally different....
latest VTR has higher compression (via different piston)
Black top run solid lifter while silver top use hydraulic (so cam is different too)
inlet+throttle body are different
ECU are different 1 plug vs 3 plug
just to confused you more
106 S2 rallye also has a 1.6 8v engine but has 103bhp
#3: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:16 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
bear in mind that early silvertop can also be 90bhp
anyway they are totally different....
latest VTR has higher compression (via different piston)
Black top run solid lifter while silver top use hydraulic (so cam is different too)
inlet+throttle body are different
ECU are different 1 plug vs 3 plug
just to confused you more
106 S2 rallye also has a 1.6 8v engine but has 103bhp
ECU modification
#4: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:21 pm ----
macj wrote:
Seabook wrote:
bear in mind that early silvertop can also be 90bhp
anyway they are totally different....
latest VTR has higher compression (via different piston)
Black top run solid lifter while silver top use hydraulic (so cam is different too)
inlet+throttle body are different
ECU are different 1 plug vs 3 plug
just to confused you more
106 S2 rallye also has a 1.6 8v engine but has 103bhp
ECU modification
tbh i prefer S1 more
#5: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: twitch169, Location: lincolnPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:10 pm ---- mines 1.6 8v xs so would a re map make much diffrence ?
#6: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:22 pm ---- Dont forget the 106 Xsi engine which has 103
#7: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:27 pm ---- Thanks for the replies so far
Solid lifters can rev higher so I understand the difference, but what did they do to make the late silver top just that bit better than the 206 xs? My guess is the cam
#8: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:37 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
Dont forget the 106 Xsi engine which has 103
the XSI is 16valve no?
#9: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:41 pm ----
Andrewxps wrote:
Thanks for the replies so far
Solid lifters can rev higher so I understand the difference, but what did they do to make the late silver top just that bit better than the 206 xs? My guess is the cam
cam, throttle body and piston....
like i have said in the first post....
#10: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:05 pm ----
ramigojag wrote:
Addaz wrote:
Dont forget the 106 Xsi engine which has 103
the XSI is 16valve no?
206 yes, 106 no
#11: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:06 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
Andrewxps wrote:
Thanks for the replies so far
Solid lifters can rev higher so I understand the difference, but what did they do to make the late silver top just that bit better than the 206 xs? My guess is the cam
cam, throttle body and piston....
like i have said in the first post....
Its not that I ignored your first post, I just thought that you were referring to the black top engine
Thanks for clearing it up
Cheers for the replies everyone
#12: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:44 pm ---- I have a question, why did Peugeot not put the better engine in the 206?
#13: Re: 206 XS and Saxo VTR differences Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:01 pm ----
Rob2859 wrote:
I have a question, why did Peugeot not put the better engine in the 206?
They phased out the 8v in the 206 by 2002 to make way for the 16v which was also detuned compared to the one in the 106/Saxo - I am guessing this could have been to help sell the last 106s/Saxos, or maybe they wanted to keep the power low in the TU engined 206s to keep insurance down for what was intended to be a cheap car en masse
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