#1: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:36 am ---- I had a problem about a year ago when while driving along the motorway I lost my pads in the rear offisde brake as the little fitting kit had decided to jump out. I replaced it with a brand new one which was a bit of a sod to get in on the other side but the problem side was quite easy to get in. Either way the only way I can see it could've come out again was for the split pin to have fallen out of the rear end of the fitting kit. Probably going to tie in some wire to keep it in but it's weird that a fitting kit has come out again on the same side where as the other is as tight as a badgers a***. Failing that I can only think faulty caliper.
Anyone else had a simlar issue?
#2: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Mrs_Howey, Location: WorthingPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:31 am ---- I had one of my rear pads fall out on the passenger side, nearly hit my mates car, i've since refitted with new fitting kit and it's been fine (touch wood), i think it might have been how i put the little pin in. Did you loop it through or did you push it through? Does that make sense, as i looped it through first time and it fell out but this time i push it through and it's been fine If your not sure i can go grab a picture for you
#3: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:10 pm ---- I did the same as you but I pushed it through in the end. I dont have any anti-rattle springs though, two mechanics have said they aren't needed but my old man is saying they should be. Any chance you could grab a pic showing how these are located please?
I did the same as you but I pushed it through in the end. I dont have any anti-rattle springs though, two mechanics have said they aren't needed but my old man is saying they should be. Any chance you could grab a pic showing how these are located please?
If you can't fix it, I have a pair of GTi rear calipers for sale, only 3k old.
#5: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:41 pm ----
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If you can't fix it, I have a pair of GTi rear calipers for sale, only 3k old
Don't tempt me.
Still can't figure out how the anti rattle springs are meant to be installed. Look at pugcc etc and no idea.
Secured the cotter pin with a proper split pin now so if it goes missing again then there must've been some brute force on the go!
#6: Re: Losing rear pads Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:49 pm ---- Not looking for much. They are sat here gathering dust
#7: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:49 pm ---- There arnt any anti rattle pins on the rear caliper. Just the L plate which slides under the pads. Its usually a tight fit so its quite hard for the pads to fall out. there's a fitting how to which shows how to do it.
#8: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Mrs_Howey, Location: WorthingPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:51 pm ---- I couldn't get the anti-rattle bit to fit either, me and howey spent an hour trying to work it out and couldn't do it, so i left them off. But mine don't rattle about and i was told that it's not the end of the world if there not fitted.
#9: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:51 pm ---- Cheers Steve, couldn't see any way anti-rattle pins could fit so that explains it. That's what's weird, it's should be a tight fit like the other side was but for some reason the offside can be pushed in with little force. My only worry is that it may have been pushed back out of the caliper but for the time being I'm putting it down to a cr*p French engineering fail
#10: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Mrs_Howey, Location: WorthingPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:57 pm ---- I would, there was no way i could get those pins to fit round the pads, and when i changed them last only one side had them when they were fitted my a professional.
#11: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:59 pm ---- Just don't brake....simples
#12: Re: Losing rear pads Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:00 pm ----
Steve206 wrote:
There arnt any anti rattle pins on the rear caliper. Just the L plate which slides under the pads. Its usually a tight fit so its quite hard for the pads to fall out
Sounds like the same set up on the old Renault 5
Great watching people struggling with getting the L plate in
#13: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:11 am ----
Steve206 wrote:
There arnt any anti rattle pins on the rear caliper. Just the L plate which slides under the pads. Its usually a tight fit so its quite hard for the pads to fall out. there's a fitting how to which shows how to do it.
Oh yes there are...
#14: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:43 am ---- Forgot about those! They shouldn't cause the pad to fall out though!
#15: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:28 am ---- no idea how can that happen lol
or you can always wire lock it, like what Edward does in the pics
#16: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:41 am ----
Steve206 wrote:
Forgot about those! They shouldn't cause the pad to fall out though!
If the pin falls out the L plate could shake loose. Doesn't take that much force to loosen it off.
#17: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:25 am ---- That L plate is quite stuck in on mine, the pin stops it sliding out. Could happen though!
#18: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:26 am ---- this is from my old dturbo, this was posted on the old info site as a warning to others
as you can see my drivers side outside pad is completly missing, i think i lost it doing about 50mph, fortunatly i was close to home, i think this is a problem with most pugs that use the similar L shaped bracket to hold the pads as i seem to remember my 306 cabrio losing one (L shaped bit not a pad), so i might look into a way of curing this as im into abit of fabrication.
as you can also see the piston had been very over extended, and required me to go and get a windback tool, as simple square bar would not work.
#19: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:29 am ---- i think this is the first time i have heard that happened
#20: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:57 am ---- Poor maintenance/fitting
#21: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:31 pm ---- Lee, thats exactly what i thought, as i had never had to replace the rear brakes till those problems arose, after however i never had an issue ???
#22: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:43 am ---- Had you replaced them before? The L plate can only go sideways, so if the pin falls out there's a chance of that happening. But its still a tight fit in there.
#23: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:17 pm ---- Ghosty - I had exactly that a year and a bit ago when driving to the new forest. Posted it on here and people were stunned. Did some searching though this week and it's a common issue which people have overcome by putting in wire rather than those clips. Looked at a friends gti and saw how the anti-rattle spring fit so will put some one when I change the pads next. I don't know if it matters but I did note that the picture in the thread and friends car had the bit of angle the other way so that the clip goes horizontally. Mine were vertical originally so just kept them that way. Got a split pin in there now so should be a lot more secure now.
#24: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:21 pm ----
Ghosty wrote:
this is from my old dturbo, this was posted on the old info site as a warning to others
Just looking at your pics, Where was your L plate fitted, because you can tell from the rust marks it wasnt fitted to the bottom where it shpuld have been, was it on top?
#25: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:52 pm ---- Most garages don't bother with the anti-rattle pins because it makes the job a lot faster an easier. I always put them in though. Try tigerseal? a mate of mine ran the pads on the metal for so long they dropped out.
#26: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:25 am ----
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Just looking at your pics, Where was your L plate fitted, because you can tell from the rust marks it wasnt fitted to the bottom where it shpuld have been, was it on top?
Does look a bit like a top fitting. They can go on top or bottom and still be tight fitting. Went with what was on my car originally and on the 206cc info page.
#27: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:22 am ----
Steve206 wrote:
Ghosty wrote:
this is from my old dturbo, this was posted on the old info site as a warning to others
Just looking at your pics, Where was your L plate fitted, because you can tell from the rust marks it wasnt fitted to the bottom where it shpuld have been, was it on top?
i have no idea, i didnt fit them, it was a rear disc conversion the previous owner did, i did however place it at the bottom when i replaced them, i also fitted the little thin wire springy things that go over the back of the pads and they were a bugger to get fitted right.
as said i had this happen on my 306 cabrio as well, i now check my HDi Gti regularly.
#28: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:07 am ---- After saying I nearly lost the pads again I lost one today. Properly p*****d off as changed an exhaust yesterday for a meeting I was meant to attend this morning. Bit worried as it was the one with the split pin in. Was definately in there yesterday as I looked at it. I'm now worried that the cotter pin and pads were both forced out the back of the caliper. I don't know for definate but it's a worry.
#29: Re: Losing rear pads Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:23 am ---- My offer still stands from page one...
#30: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:24 am ---- Cheers Tom. Aren't they a different fitment anyway? Would probably need new discs etc? It's in the garage at the moment. Going to let them have a look and share their opinion on it. How much did you want for them out of interest?
#31: Re: Losing rear pads Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:30 am ---- Have no idea mate. Think they are off a 138 so should fit the 1.6 fine. If you want them I can get more info as I bought an axle on here and they came off that. They were meant to stay on the axle but the garage ballsed the job up so I now have them spare.
I have no clue what they are worth so PM me (if you want/need them) later with a price your happy with and I can send photos/extra info. Last edited by tomd0801754 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:46 am; edited 1 time in total
#32: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:30 am ---- Was the L plate top or bottom?
#33: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:41 am ---- Bottom. That's where it's meant to be?!
#34: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:12 am ---- I cant understand how they keep falling out, mine were so tight to put in, im sure the pin is only there as a back up. Do you lose the L plate as well?
#35: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:25 am ---- Yes, L plate had completely gone. I put in a split pin rather than the piddly clip that comes with the fitting kit so it shouldn't have come out. There was a bit of a bang just as I was stopping so don't know if it forced the cottor pin out in which case I would need a new caliper most likely. If the split pain came out then it could just have been the pads ratoating out in which case there may still be damage to the caliper. I don't really know to be honest. Just lost all faith in it. ot great when you consider having to keep spare pads and tools in the car just in case
#36: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:28 am ---- Well the motion of the wheel turning, should pull the pads in. Where do you buy the L plate and anti rattle pins from? Next time you replace them, tak a pic.
#37: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:34 am ---- The only thing that different from the way I install it and the Documentation Technique site is that my L plate has the hole vertically rather than horizontally. The diosc rotating should put the pads into the top of the caliper but the bottom should catch on the caliper body due to the shape of the bandix pad. Technically it shouldn't pop out without a lot of force. Got the fitting kit from a LMF as it's was the only one available in the area at the time. Peugeot could get them without a few hours although would cost £25 more than the motor factor. My only concern was that the anti rattle sorings weren't fitted as I was missing one ni the pack andtghey weren't previously fitted. People on here and a mechnic friend said they weren't essential but now I'm thinking they are if only to stop the vibration of the pads within the caliper affecting the fitting kit. It's in the garage now, hopefully being sorted but we'll see. I questioned my installbefore as I always panic with brakes but my mechanic neighbour said everything was all ok.
#38: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:08 am ---- you can get a complete fitting kit from Camberly auto factors, or any motor factors that does brakes, as for the sorting it, im still looking into it. but it does appear to be a rather prevelant issue.
#39: Re: Losing rear pads Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:02 am ---- Sounds like installation error to me.
#40: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:03 am ---- Three times though?! By two different people? If it were a one off then I would agree.
#41: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am ---- I cant understand why its coming out to be honest. Get a pic up when its done, and well see if it looks ok!
#42: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:42 am ---- I can't either. Will post a picture. Going to have a good look when I pick it up from the garage in a bit. Fitting kit was a problem to get hold of apparently... hoping they didn't go to pug as the fitting kit is more than the pads themselves there!
Speaking to someone else I was saying that with the problem side I can slide the cotter pin in with ease. On the 306 and the other side of this one I have to tap it in. He said that something isn't right as it should never be easily installed and that there's likely to be an issue with the pads or the fitting kit. He's never heard of a caliper failing so thinks that's got to be what it was.
#43: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:38 pm ---- Picked it up and had a look. He told me that the anti rattle springs are a necessity - my original post from the old forum isn't available now so can't name and shame. The cotter pins are in the other way around so that the securing pins go in horizontally. Seems nice and tight there
#44: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:19 pm ---- Your rear caliper doesnt look right. On the left of where your L plate is there is a point of metal. Look at the pictures from page 1 and 2, im sure they look different to mine. Can you wip the wheel off and get some better pictures?
#45: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:22 pm ---- Also, look at Edwards picture, thats the way the anti rattle pins should go in. I think yours might be upside down?
#46: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:53 pm ---- Anti rattle pins aren't visible in photo?! Think that point is some oddity caused by takin a photo with a mobile and a torch. Will takes better pictures tomorrow but won't be whipping any wheels off until Saturday.
#47: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:25 am ----
better pic
#48: Re: Losing rear pads Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:57 am ---- They don't look right to me ... if they push in from the left as you look at this last pic, what is holding them in?
The anti-rattle springs are pushing on the caliper which surely is just going to lift them out again?
Either the pads are wrong for the calipers or the caliper is missing something.
On our 206CC, there is a small metal bar that locks the pads in place, then spring clips stop the bar from coming out. There doesn't appear to be anything actually holding them on you car ...
#49: Re: Losing rear pads Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:06 am ---- Small L-shaped metal bar is down the bottom of the pads and secured using the wire clip. Anti-rattles are secured using the caliper. They won't come off the brake pads unless the pads is removed from the caliper
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If your not sure i can go grab a picture for you
a mate of mine ran the pads on the metal for so long they dropped out.
