#1: [Solved] Water & Oil temp don't go past 70oC Author: gothconvertable, Location: Broughton, near BriggPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:08 pm ---- Hi,
Not really been a great day to look over the new addition to our family!
One thing she noticed on the drive back to home was the temp gauge never went past 70 degrees and neither did the oil temp.
I've been out tonight as the rain has subsided, and holding the engine at a steady 2,000rpm it was 15 minutes (from stone cold), before the (water) temp gauge went to 90. The fan cuts in and out ok at the indicated 90 degrees.
That seems a bit too long so I'll condemn the stat.
Oil temp seems to read too low as well, only mimicking the water temp
I looked at the green sensor above (and to the rear of) the thermostat housing and removed the plug to see if the gauge fell but it only put the fan on.
I think a trip to Peugeot tomorrow for a 'stat and a couple of sensors. Only thing is, where are they on the engine?
Is there anything I should be aware of when bleeding the water system?
Its a CC SE, 2.0 engine by the way!
Many thanks
Simon & Carrie
Title edited to ease future searching Last edited by gothconvertable on Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:24 am; edited 1 time in total
#2: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: marrygold75, Location: lancashirePosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:35 pm ---- it sounds ok to me ,if its not broke dont fix it
#3: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:42 pm ---- 10 mins town driving would never get the engine up to it's working temperature in this weather
#4: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: marrygold75, Location: lancashirePosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:09 pm ---- true
#5: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: meady, Location: basingstokePosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:12 pm ----
gothconvertable wrote:
Hi,
Not really been a great day to look over the new addition to our family!
One thing she noticed on the drive back to home was the temp gauge never went past 70 degrees and neither did the oil temp.
I've been out tonight as the rain has subsided, and holding the engine at a steady 2,000rpm it was 15 minutes (from stone cold), before the (water) temp gauge went to 90. The fan cuts in and out ok at the indicated 90 degrees.
That seems a bit too long so I'll condemn the stat.
Oil temp seems to read too low as well, only mimicking the water temp
I looked at the green sensor above (and to the rear of) the thermostat housing and removed the plug to see if the gauge fell but it only put the fan on.
I think a trip to Peugeot tomorrow for a 'stat and a couple of sensors. Only thing is, where are they on the engine?
Is there anything I should be aware of when bleeding the water system?
Its a CC SE, 2.0 engine by the way!
Many thanks
Simon & Carrie
I thought the oil and water temp were ment to be nearly the same ???
#6: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:06 pm ---- Get the thermostat replaced,and coolant as will,i changed mine today,and gonna post a how to for that tomorrow if I got free time :),car idle s much better now,which means better MPG,because if the car temp stays low so long while the temp. Working fine,it will gives the reading to the engine ECU to act like the car is still cold as a first start,which mean more fuel injected in this process,which means more fuel in the long drive.
Tim
#7: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:11 pm ---- www.206info.co.uk/Foru...tml#481159
#8: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: gothconvertable, Location: Broughton, near BriggPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:18 pm ---- Thanks for the replies, got to get this sorted for Saturday as it's taking us to see Thin Lizzy
Forgot to say we bought the car in Sheffield, so it's maiden voyage was an hour on the motorway, OK, it was at 60 behind my van but later on that night we went for a spin on the A roads that was far more spirited and neither the water or oil temp raised above 70 (even at full throttle through the gears changing at the redline).
This worries me slightly, as an old skool ex-mechanic, I don't like engines that are at 70degs for so long (unless its my 30 year old 350 Yam 2-stroke) and I don't like cold oil. Saying that, I don't like black boxes either, possibly why I don't do modern cars but the missus didn't want the Manta I'd got my eye on
I think things should be at operating temperature, especially after the horror stories I've read on the forum about the 1st gen 2.0 engine's lifter probs. But, to be honest, I don't know. My 06 (old style 1.9 d engine) Partner van warms up within a couple of miles at village speeds and sits at 85 degs unless going up big hills or in traffic so I assume its sporty sister to do the same.
I'll replace the thermostat first as I assume the water cools the oil so if the coolant is at 70 then the oil will be as well, and see how I get on. Hope its not raining again tomorrow
Simon
#9: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:35 pm ---- on motorway it should get up to temperature in less than 5 mins
could be just a faulty dial, better get the data live read as well
#10: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: gothconvertable, Location: Broughton, near BriggPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:43 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
on motorway it should get up to temperature in less than 5 mins
could be just a faulty dial, better get the data live read as well
Well, did the thermostat today, no probs, very easy job. Refilled the whole system as well. Temp now goes to 80-90 and does what its supposed to so the gauge/sender are ok.
Oil temp is still at the floor though. Our lass was driving it so wasn't exactly "spirited" but I'd have thought it would have gone to 90 or so, not stuck at 60-70.
Can anyone tell me where the oil temp sender is on the 2.0 engine? I'll pop down to Peugeot and get one sorted tomorrow
Many thanks,
Simon
#11: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:38 pm ----
gothconvertable wrote:
Seabook wrote:
on motorway it should get up to temperature in less than 5 mins
could be just a faulty dial, better get the data live read as well
Well, did the thermostat today, no probs, very easy job. Refilled the whole system as well. Temp now goes to 80-90 and does what its supposed to so the gauge/sender are ok.
Oil temp is still at the floor though. Our lass was driving it so wasn't exactly "spirited" but I'd have thought it would have gone to 90 or so, not stuck at 60-70.
Can anyone tell me where the oil temp sender is on the 2.0 engine? I'll pop down to Peugeot and get one sorted tomorrow
Many thanks,
Simon
Glad that your temp problem were sorted with the theromstat being replaced :D,did you got the coolant from the dealer as well??
About the oil temp sensor,it's located next to the oil filter,if I'm not mistaken the sensor works for 2 job,oil temp. and oil level on dash.
#12: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: Daveb206, Location: BordonPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:49 pm ---- Stat may be stuck open?
#13: Re: Noobie with questions! Author: gothconvertable, Location: Broughton, near BriggPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:23 am ----
Timon2210 wrote:
Glad that your temp problem were sorted with the theromstat being replaced :D,did you got the coolant from the dealer as well??
About the oil temp sensor,it's located next to the oil filter,if I'm not mistaken the sensor works for 2 job,oil temp. and oil level on dash.
Thanks for the advice.
We've now come to some conclusions. What I can't understand is there's loads of threads about this problem and no-one seems to know the answer
This is our take:
After fitting new thermostat, car warms up a lot faster, needle raises to 90 then settles at 85ish. Oil temp will stay at 70 unless on motorway at a steady 70 it climbs to 80. Back in town it drops down. In town only it stays at 70. All tests done with outside temperature NEVER getting above 5 degrees.
All we need to sort out now is an annoying rattle around the drivers roof catch that goes away for a short while when the catch is released and re-secured, a knocking from the o/s/f wheel over bumps and if setting off in 2nd and a bit juddery and a blowing exhaust at the front pipe joint!
Not bad really for a 11 year-old car never mind a 11 year-old Peugeot!
Simon & Carrie
#14: Re: [Solved] Water & Oil temp don't go past 70oC Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:10 pm ---- Mine has the knock, I'm going to start with the drop link, the ball joint before looking at the strut and top mount. I have the blowing exhaust too but it's too cold to be flat on my back under the car this time of year. So much for a cheap car, I'm to anal to let the smallest of faults pass !!
#15: Re: [Solved] Water & Oil temp don't go past 70oC Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:35 pm ---- Around town driving and the oil is getting an easy life and is not stressed. On the motorway and the higher rpm and engine loads are giving it a much harder time and increasing it's temperature.
In these situations oil temperature does not mirror coolant temperature.
When on the motorway the air is rushing through the radiator so the coolant temperature is easily maintained but in town no cooling air flow until fan cuts in so the coolant temperature increases.
Moving on the motorway the oil is stressed but the water cooling system isn't and vice-versa in town.
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