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#1: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:49 am
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There is quite some text, if you don't want to read it just scroll down Wink

Okay so the story began about 4 years ago, on a Slovenian Peugeot fan forum. I was searching for some info about P307, that my sister was buying at the time (that's the blue one on the pics below). Being bored of going through all the problem pages I took a look into the "Members cars" part of the forum and made the fatal click that led me into the world of the peugeot 206 s16 obsession :ugeek:

Needless to say I stopped searching for info about the 307 and started searching for everything that I could find about 206GTi. I went through all YT movies, reviews, topics, presentations, anything that I could possibly find on the net.

Whilst searching I discovered 206online.com (rip) and 206info Smile Anyway I started thinking just about how I want to buy this car and about a year and a half ago I finally did.

:hand: Before I continue I need to thank a friend (Legoless) who made quite a few miles to help me pick a good one (most s16/GTi's in Slovenia have been crashed, rolled etc) actually a few hundred miles to be exact.

So in the beginning of August 2008 we went to check out a white 206GTi at a local trader. We were skeptical from the get go as the car was imported from Italy (imports from It. are usually wrecks), the clutch bearing was worn, timing belt was giving out all sorts of sounds, and the gas pedal seemed to be way too short :think: DOH!!!

But then a ray of light Very Happy We checked the whole car with a paint thickness meter and it was all in the factory parameters, we almost took apart the car and found no trace of any tampering on the bodywork. I have never seen a 206 GTI/180 that wouldn't at least have a bit of parking damage. So that was a big plus for this car Cool

I really took my time thinking about should I buy it or not, went to check a few more S16's but one was worse then the other DOH!!!
In September 08' i finally took the plunge and bought the car of my dreams...

I still remember how thrilled I was when I first drove it out the car park. Timing belt and clutch bearing squealing, gas pedal way too short, driving on reserve gas but I didn't give a flying F. The first thing I did was take it to the gas station (filled it up and adjusted the throttle cable) then took it to a mechanic Laughing It was running like a dream after that apart from a few intermittent Peugeot electronic problems Very Happy Cool

A few info we all probably already know:

Model: 206 GTI/s16 2.0 16v
Power/Torque: 136hp/190Nm (It showed a bit more on the dyno but can't find the printout DOH!!! )
top speed: 210km/h
0-100km/h: 8.4s

Enough babbling, here are the photos:

 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 
 
 

I know the rim is scratched but that's the cost of buying an Italian import Razz

 
 
 

Nicely cleaned engine bay (a bit of a fetish Laughing )

 
 
 


This are the photos of the car when it was still stock. More to come later... Mr. Green

Last edited by =ZiAn= on Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:39 am; edited 6 times in total

#2: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Guyrichie, Location: Workington, Cumbria PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:50 am
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car looks great mate

i love white 206's Razz

#3: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Mrs_Howey, Location: Worthing PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:53 am
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A very nice looking 206, white 206's are extermly nice Very Happy

#4: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:05 am
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Thanks for the comments Smile

Well lets continue...The first thing I changed on the car was the audio system as the original is well... eeeerm too quiet Laughing

So here it goes:
Blaupunkt Memphis MP66 and Dragster DSK 672.1 front system.

 


 


Supplying power for the front system Ground Zero GZTA 2.250 MK2
 


Installing:
 


A friend hard at work Very Happy
 


Then I ran out of space om my picture phone Rolling Eyes


Anyway I thought I'd last longer with out a woofer but I didn't. So a month later something else was added:

woofer Alpine 1243D
Powered by Stealth AMP 1.8

Having the cables all over the boot wasn't looking too good so when I had some free time I made a false floor:

Disaster:
 


 


False floor set up just to see if everything fits:
 


Say hello to my cat, who really wanted to "assist" me:
 


 


Everything already in the car with an improvised top plate so things don't fall onto the amps:
 


 



After a while I finished the top plate and it was all ready for atest assembly:
 


Then everything went out:
 


Parts waiting to be dressed in black:
 


Partially done:
 


Finished and prepared for final installation:
 


showoff:
 


The end of audio part of the project:
 


The plexiglass is completely transparent, it just had the protection layer still on it as I didn't want to scratch it Cool

#5: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Matt PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:10 pm
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what a beauty Razz

#6: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: matty206, Location: Santa Pod PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:15 pm
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like it mate Smile you wait till craigyJ sees this ! lol

#7: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:13 pm
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Thanks guys =) I'll make another update tomorrow so stay tuned Razz

#8: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:49 pm
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okay lets make another update this time performance orientated:

I got a call that a package from UK was waiting for me...
 

 


hmm let's take a look inside...
 


And after 2 months of waiting:
 


I think you all know what these are (Bilstein B8 + Eibach sportline)
 

 



And one more non performance part Very Happy
 



Almost forgot about the Griffiths Quickshift that arrived that week
 


It was a pain in the ass to install before we figured out we could just take out the battery DOH!!!

At first we had some problems with the torsion bars at the back plus it was too high and it had to be redone the next day as the car started going sideways in sharp turns which was to say the least unpleasant. :shifty:

The last photoshoot before the drop:
 

 

 


after installation of the new suspension:
 

 

 


More to come, stay tuned Mr. Green

#9: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Brian, Location: VVT Land, Fife PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:51 pm
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Absolutely love this car Smile It's crying out for a rear spoiler though mate! Very Happy

#10: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Dillon, Location: Kent PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:00 pm
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This is absolutely fabulous a 206 in white can not beat it !! white cars are ace even if I am biased a lot

Like b said a spoiler would finish it maybe some vortex's but they have been done to death Laughing still very nice car !! Do you have musch trouble keeping it clean? mine is a real pain

#11: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Ruffy_206, Location: Bristol PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:00 pm
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car looks good. perfect drop on it. also i am planning a simalar install in the boot if i get it as good as yours ill be happy one thing i will say is how much gap you got from the sub to the top bit of wood seems close just dont want the sub hitting it really.

#12: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:20 pm
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@Brian, hehe it's already been taken care of, I just haven't had the time to make an update on the exterior yet. I'll write it up tomorrow Smile

@Dillon, yup keeping it clean is a bi*ch, especially during winter. But I just love white cars, so I can live with it. As for the wheels, I'll probably stick to original ones and refurbish them to anthracite + 17" only reduce performance + tires cost more Cool

@Ruffy, its just about flat (i.e. no gap when the boot is closed), but I've measured everything before constructing it, so it doesn't hit anything Wink

#13: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:06 am
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Stunning car mate, i'm thinking of a simular suspension set-up, what is the ride comfort like? is it bumpy and stiff? I had spax set-up on my old 206 and it was really stiff and could feel every bump in the road.

#14: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:01 am
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It's pretty stiff but I think a lot of that has to do with me having a f'ed up rear axle. Still it's not a very comfortable ride (though I love it through the corners) Smile

#15: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Alan_206HDi, Location: Hatfield Heath, Herts PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:06 am
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Lovin' this! Come to FCS!! Laughing

#16: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:09 am
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ah right ok, eibach sportline are 50mm aren't they?

#17: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: MkERsLLuPo, Location: Berkshire PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:10 am
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Stunning white 206 mate Smile keep it up looking great

#18: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:16 am
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Alan_206HDi wrote:
Lovin' this! Come to FCS!! Laughing

Laughing It's a bit far isn't it, though I'd love to got Wink

@Austin, yup Eibach Sportline are 45-50mm but I think they dropped it about 50-55mm Wink

#19: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:17 am
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Very Happy oh right, i think i might go for the pro-line, there 35mm drop so might not loose too much ride comfort then. Razz

#20: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:46 am
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@Austin, ProKit will preserve most of the comfort but Sportline look better. So if you only care about performance and ride comfort not looks, I'd go for ProKit as you said before Wink If I had to make a choice now I would probably choose ProKit as well (or KW2 Laughing )


Exterior update =)

Because of people who are unable to park without scratching the car next to it I had to have the car repainted (not entirely but about half of it) Evil or Very Mad Thankfully the insurance company paid for it + only the paint was damaged Smile

Parts getting prep'd for spraying (weight reduction) Laughing
 


 


 


During the repairs we also managed to sneak in some other parts for spraying and now all in all the car looks like this (including the spoiler for Brian Laughing ):

 


 


 



The hood was welded and the middle weld was made so that it continues just like the original. I bought that debadged grill but it was rubbish so we made one ourself from original ABS plastic so there is no chance of ti breaking or cracking.

Now the car is almost finished on the outside, just 2 more things I need to purchase.

#21: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:25 am
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=ZiAn= wrote:
@Austin, ProKit will preserve most of the comfort but Sportline look better. So if you only care about performance and ride comfort not looks, I'd go for ProKit as you said before Wink If I had to make a choice now I would probably choose ProKit as well (or KW2 Laughing )

Cheers Wink

Liking the update, looks loads better with the rear spoiler, easily one of the best GTi's on the forum. Smile

#22: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:54 am
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Now let's start with some performance updates =)

First I received something from Antix Very Happy
 


Gear rods for group N (actually found out later they are meant for A group)
 



And about a week or two later a guy from GLS knocked on my doors
 


Hmmm something from OMP, Goodridge and another Haynes manual for the collection:
 


Things were finally starting go move forward, which was really necessary as my old brakes were worn pretty good Rolling Eyes
 


I'm a sucker for shiny things but they cost the same as normal ones so why not:
 


OMP
 


Hard one aye?
 


Yup another 206 guy with a strut bar. I know it doesn't do much on a 206 but I just love the look of it when I open the bonnet Laughing
 


We quickly installed the strut bar (not without difficulty-stupidity at its finest)

And as usual I need to add some photos:
 


 


 


 


 


 


That's it for now, the brake update coming up soon Exclamation

#23: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Ruffy_206, Location: Bristol PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:36 am
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aahh perfect then. come over and make my boot build.
also how did you get your gear knob that shiney metel polish?

#24: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:49 pm
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I didn't do anything to the gear knob, it was like that when I bought it Smile

#25: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, Sussex PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:56 pm
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Cool car dude.

#26: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: saiefovech, Location: TuNisIe PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:21 am
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beautiful car bro Smile

#27: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: apjs87, Location: Plymouth PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:57 am
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loving this. how easy were the linkages to access with the battery out??? i need to re grease mine? cheers

#28: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: vanman_foci, Location: Barry, South Wales PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:45 am
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that looks so nice.

whats the future plans?

#29: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:50 am
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Strut brace looks like its meant to be there, may sound like a stupid question but how did you cut out that perfect hole?

#30: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Cr4zYb0y, Location: Salisbury PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:55 am
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Nom Nom Droolage! Gorgeous Car..!

#31: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: coops180, Location: leicester PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:06 pm
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white looks awsome wish they made the 180 in white

#32: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:39 pm
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apjs87 wrote:
loving this. how easy were the linkages to access with the battery out??? i need to re grease mine? cheers

Quite easy but you'll be swearing pretty bad when you'll try to reach the end of the longest linkage (at least we did) Laughing

#33: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:45 pm
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@vanman_sw, I'll probably be going down the same road as Edward and Jamie Wink

@Austin, I F'ed it up a bit and then had to grind it down by hand because we forgot we have the right drills in the garage. So instead of a 5 minute job it took half an hour.

I recommend you use this type of drills: Wink
 


@coops180, I don't know about 180s, but RC was definitely available in white Wink

#34: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:50 pm
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Lol ah yeah good idea, forgot about a step drill, i'll do it that way when i get one. Cool

#35: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:10 am
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Brake Update:

Due to my brakes being a disaster, I was squealing down the road like a steam train while trying to stop I knew something had to be done. So in the summer of 2009 I opted for:

- P307 2.0HDi calipers (same as gti180)
- Roesch 283mm VR-2 discs
- Roesch XC-4 Kevlar carbonceramic pads
- Goodridge braided hoses
- ATE Super blue racing brake fluid

 


 


 


 



When I bought the calipers they were a bit rusty and really dirty. So I needed to clean them up and while I was at it I thought it would be good to give them a new coat of paint. After cleaning (wire brush and a dremel) I tried to pick a color that wouldn't stand out yet it didn't want the standard silver. Weeeell that didn't turn out like I thought it would, as I think they stand out quite a bit now. Laughing I know most of you won't understand the joke so I'll write a short explanation later on...


This is what they looked like:
 


 


 


A bit of grinding and swearing later...:
 


 


So I picked a color (not what I first had in mind but okay):
 


 


 


 


And then the caliper mod had to wait a while until I recived a few stickers:
 


 


Let me now explain what this is all about:

[Warning humor lost in translation]

As you know a lot of "chav drivers paint all sorts of Brembo, AP racing, Rotora etc. decals onto their calipers. Because of that a joke started going around a few of my friends that somebody should write "Bremze" onto their calipers (its a slang word for brakes, some of the guys from ex-Yu will understand it), as we mostly have modified brake parts instead of standard stuff. Seeing nobody wanted to do it I took the plunge and went ahead with it...told you its not going to be funny Laughing

 


 


 


Then the installation:
 


New discs:
 


Calipers:
 


 


Braided hoses:
 


 


OEM hoses:
 


As I've had them for quite some time, I need to say, the brakes feel really good only when its extremely cold you need to press the brakes a bit at first so that they heat up a bit. Nothing drastic though. But when they get to their operational temperature...that's when the fun begins. I thought I was going to break the steering wheel Laughing I just need to replace the tires as they can't grip as much as they would need to with the new setup


Oh and just so I don't forget,we also replaced the heater matrix as the old one as leaking:
 


Mission impossible anyone?...(Q:"how do you replace the heater matrix?"..A:"with great difficulty")...But as we later figured out you can replace it without taking out the whole dashboard. Wooohooo Shocked Very Happy

#36: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:11 am
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Well seeing I've got a few winter style pics on my comp, why not stick 'em up here Smile

 


 


You can see the new member of the family on the right. Its a (standard height) C4 coupe, Loeb edition with a 2.0HDi 136. I could call it my winterwagon as you can see my car is going nowhere fast in this snow Laughing

Oh and this Monday I've also tracked down the 206RC speedo, for a very nice price so I went to Zagreb for it ( about a 100 miles each direction). Diesel rox when it comes to fuel consumption Twisted Evil

So here they are after almost a year of searching:

Even the cat wants to have a go at them Laughing
 


In all their glory Laughing :
 


Last photo of the old dials
 


Disassembly:
 


Final result:
 


I was so happy to have them, that just couldn't wait until evening to go to the garage and changed them in the middle of a parking lot. Laughing The looks I got from some of the neighbors were priceless Laughing

p.s. This was the last update from the past, now we're back to present time so no more quick updates Sad Well actually the next part is supposed to arrive next week. And I'm finally moving to the engine now Twisted Evil

#37: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Chi, Location: North London PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:26 am
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Car is looking good!!! Can't believe I've missed this thread!

Reminds me that I need to fit some braided hoses and the gear linkages this summer!

#38: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: Ams1592, Location: West Midlands PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:25 am
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You cars amazing! Love white 206's Very Happy
Keep the good work up!

#39: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: _Jay_, Location: Luton PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:26 am
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Mate loving the car, looks mint! You have given me the urge to spray my 180 white now as well lol.

#40: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:48 pm
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Totally missed that anybody even commented Smile I guess 206info just gets too many updates in the Project section Razz

@Chi, I recommend it Wink I've noticed quite a difference after fitting those linkages. Not sure about the hoses yet as I haven't had time to test them properly yet (started getting cold too quickly).

@Jay, thanks I'd love to see a white 180 Smile

#41: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:41 pm
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Damn this page is getting stretched out having 3 updates on one page Laughing

Well no matter because something new arrived. Again. I'm worse than ladies in a shoe store, just can't stop buying things Laughing

Anyway here it is. This time the package arrived from the Fatherland, jahwol, Deutchland Smile
 


Quick peek into the box reveals a Raceland 4-1 exhaust manifold:
 


Still in bubble wrap. I love to pop this suff Embarassed
 


In all its beauty Laughing
 


 


 


 


So this stainless steel 4-1 manifold is going to replace the original 10kg of scrap metal. I'm not saying this one is perfect, far from it, but a lot better the the OEM one. At first I was looking for a 4-2-1 but the only one I found was the one Edward has and that one was a bit too expensive for my taste. So this is it (all 4,4kg of inox) with my budget. We'll try to get it installed ASAP but that usually means it might take a while Laughing

Comments are welcome Wink

#42: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:47 pm
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I'm going to make another update, just trying to get to page 4 as this one is getting stretched out quite a bit now Laughing

#43: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:48 pm
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Lets see how many more till the next page Razz

#44: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 3=extremly pic heavy) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:51 pm
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If I counted it correctly three more posts to go Very Happy

#45: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 3=extremly pic heavy) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:52 pm
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2....

#46: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 3=extremly pic heavy) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:52 pm
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So over the weekend we've installed the new manifold. Had quite a bit of trouble fitting the new one in but in the end everything worked out well...

As for the gaisn, it might just be a placebo effect but I think the car accelerates a lot easier. It got a bit louder but has a nice sound. Especially when you let go of the throttle Twisted Evil If anybody is interested in the measurements, it's 61mmthick and the hole is 57mm wide (2mm walls) the outer part of entrance to the cat is 52mm wide, so a bit of welding and adjusting was necessary but it's a good foundation for future upgrades regarding the exhaust system.

The original manifold a.k.a. the pretzel Laughing
 


 


Old vs. new:
 


Push it in, push it in Laughing
 


 


 


 


 


Jeaka doing his thing..
 


 


another angle:
 


 


 


Well this is it for now, more updates coming up in the next few months Smile

#47: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:28 am
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New tires are home Smile In the end I've opted for the Bridgestone Potenza Re050A, I don't think I'll regret it.

 


I just need to get the wheels back from the powdercoating and let the summer tire season begin. Twisted Evil

#48: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:44 am
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And the wheels are back Very Happy I just need to get the center caps colored as they're plastic and couldn't be powder coated. I'm also getting some spacers for the back wheels so that they will be spot on with the arches Cool

So this is how they look now (they look a bit bright because of the flash, photo nr.3 shows the most realistic color):

 


 


 


 


 


I think they'll look nice Twisted Evil Any comments?

#49: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: anthony_839, Location: romford PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:47 am
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very nice you will be annoed when u get the first scratch on them lol

#50: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:56 am
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Haha I know but I hope that won't happen for quite some time Smile

#51: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: bertt, Location: chester PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:11 am
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such a nice car mate im extremely jelous!

#52: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: plan_D, Location: Alderley Edge, Cheshire PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 pm
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That's a very nice car. Wheels look gorgeous.

Those manifolds are a ball ache aren't they? I had life a bit easier because the entire system was changed at once, manifold, cat and cat-back.

#53: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:52 pm
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Thanks, yes that manifold did make my mechanics swear quite hard Laughing But when finished its so much more pleasing than it would have been if it was easy to fit Very Happy I'm going for a catback this month, I'll probably take the Janspeed GTi180 one so I know we'll have a lot of fun modifying everything so that it fits (again) Laughing

#54: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: JordGJ, Location: Leeds / West Midlands PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:18 pm
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Love this car, especially the colour

#55: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: amy-v17, Location: Bury St Edmunds/Luton/Bournemouth PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:03 pm
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Lovely car, alloys are looking good too Smile

#56: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:49 am
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@snow_n_low, thanks this colour does suit the 206 doesn't it Razz

@amy, thaks and I've finally got them on the car... I like =)

 


 


Twisted Evil

#57: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: freestylejamie, Location: East London PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:52 am
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i think u should have the bump strips in gloss black like the mirrors, would look amazing

#58: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: Iain, Location: Aberdeen, Scotland PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:11 am
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Lookin good Smile

Maybe black valeo's (if you can) and black fogs?

#59: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: freestylejamie, Location: East London PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:24 am
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Iain wrote:
Lookin good Smile

Maybe black valeo's (if you can) and black fogs?

can anyone else find black fogs?? ive had an argument with d only guy on ebay sellin em

#60: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: amy-v17, Location: Bury St Edmunds/Luton/Bournemouth PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:33 am
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They look even better now they're on the car, I love white 206s.

Freestylejamie, just paint your own ones Wink

#61: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: freestylejamie, Location: East London PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:40 am
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amy-v17 wrote:
They look even better now they're on the car, I love white 206s.

Freestylejamie, just paint your own ones Wink

paint them with what? tinting spray because dont think it comes out as good

#62: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: amy-v17, Location: Bury St Edmunds/Luton/Bournemouth PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:42 am
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Start a thread asking who has painted their fogs they will tell you how to do it but they havent just tint sprayed over them, they paint the inside.

#63: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: freestylejamie, Location: East London PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:45 am
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yh but not many people seem 2 have done it though ?? n taking it apart would involve me knowin what im doin lol

#64: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: anthony_839, Location: romford PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:47 am
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freestylejamie wrote:
yh but not many people seem 2 have done it though ?? n taking it apart would involve me knowin what im doin lol
ive done it and you need to take the fog light apart to be able to do it.

#65: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: freestylejamie, Location: East London PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:48 am
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anthony_839 wrote:
freestylejamie wrote:
yh but not many people seem 2 have done it though ?? n taking it apart would involve me knowin what im doin lol
ive done it and you need to take the fog light apart to be able to do it.

is that hard 2 do though? if u live in romford u could always do it 4 me Smile

#66: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:40 am
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really like the colour of the wheels, nice job Wink

#67: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: Dillon, Location: Kent PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:51 am
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Looking very good I like the colour of the wheels a lot, how about some other parts the same colour to match them?

#68: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:09 am
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Thanks guys and Amy Smile

Nah I was thinking of doing the roof black but that would probably be a bit OTT. I'll try to keep the body parts white but I am looking into some darker headlights. @Iain I would buy those already but they would shine into the wrong direction on the road (continental Europe) Wink As for the rear lights I know exactly what I want but I'm spending all my money on performance upgrades ATM so they'll have to wait Sad

@freestylejamie, could you paste a link to those fog lights on ebay, I can't seem to find them Confused

#69: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: freestylejamie, Location: East London PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:58 am
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ah i cant seem 2 find em either, maybe he stopped selling em, if i find em again ill post the link up

#70: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: freestylejamie, Location: East London PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:07 pm
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just found the smoked fogs up 4 sale again. heres the link, but there a 5a more expensive now

cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT...23069c58df

#71: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:24 am
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So I haven't written here in a while...well the exhaust is on, Janspeed's GTi180 that is Twisted Evil And that thing sure does make a ROOOAR. Sometimes even a bit too much. Don't really have any good photos yet as I need to get my rear bumper repainted so we can blend the exhaust cutout in.

Anyway I've taken it to the racetrack on Friday and the little pug can move Smile but it was raining so the times weren't very good, I hope we'll have better luck this Friday.

Some pics of the event:
 


 


 


 


 


 


Good company:
 


and my favorite one for all BMW drivers Twisted Evil
 


I also have an in-car video, will post it up as soon as I upload it Smile

#72: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:24 pm
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Here's the in-car video, a bit shaky but still okay:

www.vimeo.com/12015202

and yes it's a short & very closed course but its close to home, cheap and you don't need a service after a day of driving on it. Other real circuits are a lot further down the road and a day at the track costs a lot more (so its more of a once every few months trip).

any comments? Smile

#73: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: mattievrs, Location: Leicester PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:35 pm
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I appreciate youre in slovenia so a search on slovenian ebay would be in order but i think covering the roof with di-noc carbon film would look awesome.Its good quality stuff and wears hard too. Love the car by the way!
cgi.ebay.co.uk/CHEAP-3...4aa163b16e

#74: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:26 am
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Thanks mattie but I'm going to keep it as OEM as possible on the outside (with a few personal touches).

#75: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:01 pm
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Just came home from another track day, great day until I broke the top engine mount...Let's just say it was an interesting drive (100+ km) home...No matter we'll fix it + I'll order a few other goodies alongside with uprated engine mounts Laughing

#76: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: jase123, Location: yorkshire PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:35 am
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1 word springs to mind when i see yor car niccccccccccccce

#77: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:41 pm
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Thanks Jase Smile

now to the more pressing matter, as said before I'll be buying some uprated mounts. I've found the Vibra Tecnics/spoox mounts but are quite expensive but on the other hand, I found Jamie's suggestion of Baker mounts on the forum. But those are supposed to be for 205/309 so Can anybody tell me exactly what mounts do I need if I want to buy them from Baker? (and yes I know I'll need to buy the gearbox mount from Spoox.)

Also if I'll be buying stuff from Spoox, I was thinking of ordering an additional rear anti roll bar for a bit of added stiffness. I was looking at these two (the only two I can find):

www.spoox.co.uk/catalo...2f435c3448

And

www.spoox.co.uk/catalo...2f435c3448

Is the extra heavy duty acceptable for a daily driver or will it me too much (both of them are adjustable)?

#78: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:19 am
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Nobody knows anything?

#79: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 4 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:56 am
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A few more pics for this thread Smile First of all a package of Motul motor oil from Germany. Including postage it was less then half the price I'd pay here Rolling Eyes Evil or Very Mad

 


Tin can Laughing
 


Also received a gift Laughing
 


As said before I managed to break the top engine mount (we later found out that the lower one was torn as well) Confused Mad That lead to another upgrade so I bought the top and lower Baker engine mount and the vibra technics for the gearbox mount (hasn't arrived yet).

We also added an extra aluminum pad to strengthen the top mount as they are prone to breaking.

 


welds:)
 


Installed:
 


the new mounts:
 


 


Old top mount:
 


It all went according to plan until we figured out the lower mount was too narrow....5 milimeters to be exact Mad So for anybody else that was going to buy Baker lower engine mount be aware IT DOESN'T FIT WITHOUT MODIFICATION!!!!!... But we aded another steel bush to the mount and fixed the problem...So I can almost say it's half solid Laughing

Old mount:
 


New one:
 


O bloody hell Mad
 



This has really lowered the response time, it accelerates instantly and overall feels a lot more solid. You can fell quite a bit of vibration when starting cold but it settles down after a couple of seconds.

Also regarding my previous posts we've changed the ARB for the GTi180 ARB. 1mm difference but it feels like a light year.

Now I only need to fix the right suspension arm and it'll be as good as new (okay better) Twisted Evil

#80: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:22 pm
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looking good! i'm thinking of gettin baker top mounts, where did you get them from? can't seem to find them on there website.

Also what oes the gti 180 ARB look like? is it just like a torsion bar?

Cool

#81: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:43 am
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I bought the 205 Baker engine mounts because they're the same (top mounts that is). They don't have anything listed specifically for a 206 Wink

The ARB looks just like torsion bars, you just replace the old one with the new and that's it Wink I can take a photo of it if you want? But there is a noticeable difference in the behavior of the car, it's much more planted now. BTW I think Edward wrote a How-to for the ARB if you'll change it as well Wink

#82: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: benbmx08, Location: newquay PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:49 pm
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im not going to lie, i am slightly jealous of this Very Happy

#83: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:06 am
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Heh thanks =) I saw you have the same colored wheels as me =)

#84: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: Austin, Location: Telford PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:34 am
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=ZiAn= wrote:
I bought the 205 Baker engine mounts because they're the same (top mounts that is). They don't have anything listed specifically for a 206 Wink

The ARB looks just like torsion bars, you just replace the old one with the new and that's it Wink I can take a photo of it if you want? But there is a noticeable difference in the behavior of the car, it's much more planted now. BTW I think Edward wrote a How-to for the ARB if you'll change it as well Wink

Yeah just seen his how-to, looks an easy job tbf, now i need to get myself a 180 ARB and torsion bars Very Happy hehe

#85: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:41 am
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Things are finally starting to move along now Very Happy

We had a road trip today, picking up a new engine so it can be modded slowly and still keep the car running everyday.

I got it at a very competitive price of 300€, it has done 200kkm (but that really isn't a problem as it's going to be rebuilt) and has spent the most of its life time in a Peugeot 607 Cool

So we checked the engine then loaded it into the car and went back home...Quite a pleasant 300km I must say Laughing

But there has been a bit of a change if anybody notices...

 


Almost back at the garage

 


Did you figure it out yet?

 


If you haven't here's a clue Twisted Evil

 


Stay tuned Cool

#86: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: rttam, Location: devon PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:34 pm
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is that the 160 bhp one out of the bigger peugeots??

#87: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: Antix, Location: Worcester PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:47 pm
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Ew12 = 2.2-litre isn't it?

EDIT: The EW12 was introduced to replace the low-pressure turbo variant of the XU10. It has a bore of 86 mm and stroke of 96 mm, for a displacement of 2231 cc. Citroën only uses it on the C8 MPV, while Peugeot, which has more a sporty image, uses it in the 406 SRi, 407, the 607 executive model and 807 MPV.

Model Output Notes
EW12 J4 - 158-163 PS (156-161 hp/116-120 kW) 16-valve catalyst

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#88: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: Lecktorious, Location: Scotland PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:49 pm
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Its the EW12 2.2 Wink

#89: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: Antix, Location: Worcester PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:49 pm
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G. wrote:
Its the EW12 2.2 Wink

found it Laughing Thumb Up

#90: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:28 am
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Heh yup its the bigger brother of the GTi engine...quite similar to the EW10J4 (only a bit taller), with a couple of J4S characteristics. It's going to be a nice winter project getting it up to the specs I have planned for it. And all progress will be photographed Laughing

#91: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / Turkey PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:18 am
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What is your plan. Thats my dream.

Ported Polished 180 head
180 intake manifold with butterfly (or ITB)
180 or aftermarket exhaust manifold
Catcams
Forged Hi-Comp Pistons
Forged Conrods

etc.etc.etc.

Good luck Wink

#92: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:32 pm
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Thanks Schumi Smile

We're going to port and polish the head, it will also be flow benched to get the maximum efficiency, ITB's (that's the reason this project even started), some "mild" spec (not race but still quite nippy) cams, so we keep the middle rev range useful (I don't want a dyno queen), a custom plenum and a DTA ECU to run the show. It already has a 4-1 SS manifold, Janspeed catback, and a modified cat. I'll keep the forged conrods and hi compression pistons out of the equation for now, but who knows Smile

#93: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: T_bandery, Location: East london PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:39 pm
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Thats sweet man, I got a quote for throttle bodies last week for my 206 and it was just over £2000

since then i have been thinking about about putting the EW12 engine in my car too as it has a lot more power plus 160lb torque Very Happy

#94: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:43 pm
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You can get them far cheaper, PM macj if his offer for ITB's+ECU is still up. Also, it's not necessary to buy Jenvey ITB's, if you have a few skills you can use bike TB's for far less.

P.s. if you'll use the ew12j4 engine, you need to know that the use of an aftermarket ECU is highly recommended (or at least one of a GTi180).

#95: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:29 am
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Video from the latest Time Attack...enjoy Smile

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x00uDb5j-70

#96: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: tobycooke, Location: N wales PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:42 am
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lovely job there mate, look very slick Smile

#97: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:38 pm
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Heh thanks...will look a lot better next year with the engine upgrade and slick tires =) I tried slicks on that day, but it was too late and too cold, so I spun out in one of the fast corners (rear tires just didn't get warm enough) but the difference in grip in the sharp turns was unbelievable, even though only the front tires were warmed up.

#98: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: AusScare, Location: Brisbane, Australia PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:41 am
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Bit of work being done there, how come you've chosen na over turbo? Just a cost thing?

#99: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:10 pm
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Heh, so much updating goes on in this section, I've missed my own thread Laughing In my opinion the 206 is a bit small to turbo charge. And of course there was the money issue Smile But if would have gone down the FI route, I would have chose a compressor set up. Much more linear power delivery, there for a lot better suited for track use, as well as daily driving Wink

#100: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:24 pm
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Here's a translation of the post that the guy behind the transformation of the engine made on our forums. Please do correct me if you see a mistake. I am not that familiar with some of more specialized English terms, so there might be quite a few mistakes in the following text.

And it has begun. Smile

 
 


When we first took off the exhaust manifold, it wasn't quite clear why's the second cylinder exhaust black. There definitely had to be something with the injection or the burning of the mixture itself. Even the spark plugs were "tutti frutti", two of them weren't even the same color, but okay, the engine has done over 200kkm and the "brilliant" Sagem coilpacks didn't do any favors so it isn't all that surprising that the engine is a bit worn.

First real shock followed when the head was taken off. What school teaches that when you change the head gasket you sand the old gasket down with sand paper Question Rolling Eyes Mad ...well nothing unusual, having in mind that a buddy learning to be a mechanic told us that the professor taught them that at class Rolling Eyes Not to mention it was full of silicone, even were there was no need for it (gaskets)...but that's all behind now...

This is how it looks:
 


The cylinder head was also measured and the valves are bigger then the ew10 j4. The exhaust one is 2mm bigger as well as the intake one, which gives us a better starting point for modifications.

Two more pics of the cylinder head:
 
 


First real worry was the main shaft. One of the connecting rod bearings was measured and the other three checked. They were definitely already replaced as those were the best looking bearings on an engine with more than 20kkm. So they must have been changed recently.

 
 


Numbers look great. They have just the right amount of play and we're just hoping, that the bearings on the main shaft are in the same condition.

There is one more thing with this engine. It has balancing rods (is this the right term?). They're placed there to keep the engine running very smoothly. but if we'll get the info that we can remove them safely, then that big piece of iron is definitely going out. Some fiat/lancia/alfa egines have them as well, but they are belt driven and people usually just unplug them.

This is how they look:
 


Oh one more thing. Remember the black exhaust pipe no.2? That was due to an injector on the second cylinder. There was no rubber (like a little gasket) under the injector and on the third one it was half torn. I really do wonder how this engine ran when it was still in the car Smile

This is it for mow. We need to make a few measurements before we take the block apart but we're still waiting for a specific tool, which should be arriving soon. JLD Performance.

#101: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: st3v3n, Location: Liverpool Drives: 206 GTi PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:13 pm
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Nice project Smile Your English is better than most people on here so don't worry about it!

#102: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (page 6 update) Author: tb206hdi, Location: Denmark PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:05 am
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=ZiAn= wrote:
Video from the latest Time Attack...enjoy Smile

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x00uDb5j-70

hehe braking hard and the indicators starts to flash Smile

I'm glad my HDI is an old one from 01 Wink

Project looking really good.

#103: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:04 pm
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haha tb206hdi, yes that's quite annoying Very Happy but I got used to it. At first my friends were laughing their asses of as they thought I was switching on the indicators while steering left and right Laughing

And back to the topic, we've decided that we're going to make our own throttle bodies. The reason for this, they can be designed just the way we want to, they will be far cheaper than Jenvey ones and we can make them look as standard as possible.

BTW I found a pic of the car on the latest track setup Twisted Evil

 


I believe I'll keep the all white theme on racetracks Twisted Evil

#104: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: DJ-, Location: UK PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:49 am
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nice video of the track session! liking your pug Cool

#105: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Jamie, Location: Ring y0 PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:59 am
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If you need a DTA S60 for below RRP then give me a PM!
Nice looking project, good luck with it all!

#106: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:16 am
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Thanks Jamie, I'll contact you when the funds will be available if you'll still have it Wink But we need to sort out the mechanical things first before we move onto electronics Smile

#107: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:10 am
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Guys help me out, I need some tehnical help =) Does anybody know the size of the five bearings on the GTi cams? We're wondering if we could fit cams for the GTi into the ew12 engine so could anybody shed some light on the subject please Smile

#108: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:19 am
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Do the balancing shafts make the sump deeper than the one on the EW10?

Do you want measurements from both 138 cams? I've got some wrapped up in a cupboard upstairs. If you want any measurements let me know. I've also got a Piper 270 degree inlet cam to measure.

#109: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:55 am
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This is the inlet cam. I've just measured the max lobe diameter and the minimum and the difference is 8.8mm so I think it's a standard cam. I'll have to compare it to one i have in another head which is known to be standard.

Anyway, starting at the pulley end of the camshaft, the bearings meaure:
29.96mm, 29.48mm, 28.98mm, 28.43mm, 28mm.

 


Do you want the exhaust cam measurements too?

#110: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:28 pm
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Thanks Edward, I really appreciate it. Could you please also measure the exhaust one, though I presume it should be the same.

As for the sump we haven't measured it but as far as I can remember it's quite a bit deeper.

#111: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:17 pm
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Let's continue:

Thanks to Edwards measurements we now also know that the GTi cams will fit as the bearings match Wink

All the pistons and cylinders were measured and we came to the conclusion, that the engine is in good condition. There is 0,05mm play between the cylinder walls and piston skirts. there is also no damage visible to the piston ring beds so the engine. We still need to check the main shaft bearings, because we ran out of time yesterday.

This is how the tool for measuring cylinders and pistons looks like:

 


Dirty four and some other parts:

 


 


 


 


We've also measured distance between the valves and pistons at TDC. Due to the intake valves the piston cutouts will need to be a bit deeper but the exhaust ones have enough clearance. Max lift with the standard valve springs was also measured and we will need to change them as they would cause coil-bound with the chosen cams at max lift.

JLD Performance

#112: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Lecktorious, Location: Scotland PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:19 pm
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One of very few 'proper' project threads on here.

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#113: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:29 pm
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Just noticed the EW12 head has a big E2 embossed onto the end. The EW10 has E0 on the end of it. Anybody know what the 180 has?

 

#114: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:38 am
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@Edward, I believe it has a E1 but I'm not sure, It's been a long time since I've seen one. Nicely spotted btw.

Okay let's get you guys up to speed. Not much has happened since last time I posted, but let me just list the stuff.

I bought 16 new hydraulic lifters as they seem to be causing problems for me on the current engine and I didn't want to take any chances with the new one. Also one of the original ones was already broken and two were stuck if I remember correctly.

Also the guys at JLD Performance are putting together a flow bench (for the obvious reason).

All the pistons have been cleaned and the engine block was also scrubbed. So it's all nice and shiny...sort of Smile

And now all the small parts are being bought like main bearings, piston rings, semerings, etc. Then we're moving on to the more expensive parts such as camshafts, springs pulleys.

So I'll keep you updated as much as possible.

Oh and by the way here a pic from a very nice afternoon trip:

 

#115: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / Turkey PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:51 pm
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Any update ?

#116: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:01 pm
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Hay zian how did you fit the 180 speedo to the standard gti? As I wanted to do this??

Thanks rich

#117: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / Turkey PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:24 am
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This gti already multiplexed. So that speedo direct fitment for this car. And nearly impossible to work on preplexed cars.

#118: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:42 pm
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nice one i didnt realize this was plexd i was just lookin for a bit more range on mine.

#119: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:33 pm
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Hey, long time no update Smile There were quite a few changes since the last update, but sadly the engine is still not in Sad Anyway, I will make an update shortly (preferably before new year lol)

@spike, as Schumi said its a plexed car so I only had to change the speedo. Don't know how much work would involve to put it in a preplexed one or if it's even possible :/

#120: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Ahoward87, Location: Hertfordshire PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:34 am
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This is a great read and some great explanations there.

Any more updates mate? Smile

#121: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / Turkey PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:50 pm
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You miss last days of 2011 for update. Come on Zian. Dont forget us. Inform us about updates. Very Happy

#122: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:20 am
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I really forgot to update this thread Sad Not much has happened since though, but we have gathered all the parts needed to finish the build except for the last two (Cams and ECU) Smile So hopefully it should be on the road till spring.

But to get you up to speed, we've bought all the little bits and pieces ( gaskets, screws etc.), and a couple more things (check the photos below) Smile We've also decided not to go down the ITB path as it would attract too much unneeded attention from our boys in blue (this type of modification is not legal over here :/ ), so only a larger TB for now.

And some photos to go along:

 


 


btw by the looks of it I haven't posted much of the mechanical work up here...will do this today Smile

 


 

#123: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:31 am
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Okay looking at this thread I obviously forgot to update most of the mechanical stuff Confused

So a bit of an update (again):

We bought 16 new hydraulic tappets (already installed) and as said before, a few other bit and bobs:

Main and push-rod bearings:

 


 


Stronger screws:

 


 


 


Polished exhaust valves:

 


 


Just a bit of posing:

 


 


more to come Smile

#124: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:12 am
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Looks good...now get it finished!

#125: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:16 am
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Must admit i have a few questions...
How on earth did you get your valves so dam clean?
How did you measure maximum valve lift?
What did you use to clean the sides of the pistons? As ive been advised with a simple copper wire brush?

And why did you choose PSA over PEC bearings for example?

#126: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:43 am
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@Edward, we're working on it Smile Yesterdays Time Attack (2nd place) restored my faith in the car so the build is back on the fast track. But I also need to do something about the back end being too soft....

@Addaz, We had them polished by some company (can't quite remember what's it called). Regarding the measurement and cleaning, I'd have to ask the mechanic he'll know how to explain it better than me Smile But I don't think he used a wire brush as you can easily scratch the finish thus causing excessive cylinder wall wear. As for the bearings, we chose OEM do to being them the perfect fit and not overly expensive in regards to non-OEM ones.

We also had the engine block "leveled" (is this the right term?), as the guys who changed the head gasket used quite a peculiar way to clean the previous one off... Confused Evil or Very Mad

Much better now:

 


 

#127: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:11 am
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I love the look of freshly skimmed engine components...

#128: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:26 pm
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Skimmed, that's the expression I was searching for Very Happy

#129: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / Turkey PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:47 am
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Hi Zian. Its looking good. That OEM Bearings must be to expensive. I saw a EW12 rebuild subject on some tuning site. I assume its yours.

#130: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:50 pm
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Hi Scuhmi, no they're not that expensive compared with other brands, so we opted for the OEM parts. if it's peugeot206gti.net then it mine Very Happy

Another small update...I was back at the track about a month ago and because I was running slicks, I noticed the car was definitely too soft at the back. So I decided to buy some torsion bars. But due to not really knowing if 21mm will be good enough I also bought 25mm xD They should arrive in a couple of weeks Smile

#131: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay I PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:51 pm
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Will be good to see this engine finished, what cams are you going for? (sorry if already mentioned, I haven't found any reference)

#132: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:35 am
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I like this project Smile
Where from did you ordered torsion bars?

#133: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:07 am
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@Andrewxps, CatCams 4901804 but I'm tempted to go for something a bit sharper (805 or 806).

@Goldin, thanks Wink Directly from Peugeot Sport Wink

#134: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:52 am
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21mm torsion bars are perfect for fast road use. 22mm bars are good but 23mm and bigger are way too hard especially for such a light rear end.

#135: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:19 am
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I also ordered torsion bars from Peugeot Sport, but 21mm, because it is my everyday car, and I hope that they will fit well with H&R springs.

@ZiAn- You drive Time Attack in Krško?

#136: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:20 am
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We'll see how it handles on the track. In worst case scenario, I'll just sell them or they'll make a nice wall decoration Smile

#137: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: simpsonrc, Location: coventry PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:02 pm
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23mm torsion bars will be fine for competition I use them and am thinking of going to 25mm.

#138: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: LiamGTR, Location: Motherwell PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:58 pm
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This was a great read Smile

#139: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:37 am
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Goldin wrote:
I also ordered torsion bars from Peugeot Sport, but 21mm, because it is my everyday car, and I hope that they will fit well with H&R springs.

@ZiAn- You drive Time Attack in Krško?

Yup, but not as often as I'd like to in the last year or two Sad Come join us next year, there's already a couple of guys from Croatia driving in the TA series Wink

@LiamGTR, thanks Wink

#140: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / Turkey PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:23 pm
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Welcome back Zian. We miss you. Smile Is there any news on your EW12 engine ?

#141: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:30 am
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@Schumi, yup the engine is almost complete Smile I'll be ordering the cams, springs and retainers next week and after that we can put it all together Smile

But I wouldn't be me, if I wouldn't be buying things for the car Very Happy Even though I don't really need them xD

first off two sets of torsion bars 21 & 25mm:

Those things weight a ton!
 


 


And I also managed to find something I've been searching for quite a while now Smile
 


Just got to love them, they're huge Very Happy
 

#142: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / Turkey PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:35 am
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OOoo Very nice parts. Smile Where did you get torsion bars ?

#143: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: spike_202, Location: West mids PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:46 am
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Did you get any anti squeal shims for them calipers? As they get quite annoying lol

#144: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: PezHdi, Location: Shrewsbury PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:23 pm
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Loved reading this thread :] Looking foward to more updates :] White 206's are the dogs Very Happy

#145: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:58 am
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@Schumi, I got them from Peugeot Sport as they had a huge sale last november and were dirt cheap Wink

@Spike, nope not yet, as I just took them off a wrecked 607. But I don't drive the car that much latley (9000km/year), so we'll see how annoying they'll get Smile

@Pez, thanks, hopefully it will be updated a bit more regulary now Smile

#146: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Slowride, Location: Netherlands/near Rotterdam PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:37 am
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What a tread! Did you also use the GIT180/RC uprated catcams 804's? Those calipers are so nice, is this a C2 rally setup? And where did you get the needed brackets from?

#147: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:10 am
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Nope, we're going to use 805's, but they do require more work and definitely a standalone ECU. The Brembo calipers are off a Peugeot 607 3.0v6 and the bracket are home made Smile but if you can get your hands on a peugeot 406 coupe Brembo (off a 2.2 hdi or 3.0 v6) then it's a perfect fit Wink

#148: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:38 am
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So in the past week we've changed the torsion bars for the 21mm Peugeot Sport bars and the ride difference is unbelivable. This is one of the most under-done mods around and it's so worth it. The car feels more balanced and doesn't squeek over potholes and bumps, not to mention the cornering characteristics have improved significantly. The turn in feels alot more neutral almost a bit tail happy, where before it was quite understeerish. Even though I believe it could still benefit from the 23mm bars.

I also did some research on the calipers and we'll need to fabricate a backplate for the pads as they require 32mm discs and the thickest option are 28mm... That's about it for now Smile

#149: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: heyziq, Location: Malaysia PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:46 am
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wow, taking so long to having the 2.2 engine in, when do you expect the 2.2 will sit inside the engine bay?

#150: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:45 am
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@heyziq, yes it's been quite a while now, but that's due to some other things taking priority before the project. So now I'm taking it one step at a time, but do hope to have it finished till the end of summer... hopefully Smile

#151: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: heyziq, Location: Malaysia PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:38 am
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=ZiAn= wrote:
@heyziq, yes it's been quite a while now, but that's due to some other things taking priority before the project. So now I'm taking it one step at a time, but do hope to have it finished till the end of summer... hopefully Smile

i believe u will need piggy back or stand alone, as you will using the original 206 engine wiring right?

#152: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:03 am
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yup I'll be using a DTA s60pro (standalone ECU)...that's actually one of the final parts missing (the cams are being ordered as I'm writing this) Smile

#153: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:15 am
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=ZiAn= wrote:
So in the past week we've changed the torsion bars for the 21mm Peugeot Sport bars and the ride difference is unbelivable. This is one of the most under-done mods around and it's so worth it. The car feels more balanced and doesn't squeek over potholes and bumps, not to mention the cornering characteristics have improved significantly. The turn in feels alot more neutral almost a bit tail happy, where before it was quite understeerish.

Same here, I also changed 19,5mm for 21mm torsion bars, and I agree with every single word.
We have similar suspension setup on cars, and I am now thinking about 206 RC front ARB.

#154: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:28 am
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Why would you want a thicker front ARB? It would only add to the (still existing albeit not too noticable) understeer. I'd rather take a look at an aditional rear ARB. It would make sense though, if you used the 23mm torsion bars as it would (probably) be a bit too tail happy Smile

#155: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:58 am
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I'd wonder what 23mm torsion bars would do to the bodyshell long term. They are after all intended for tarmac rally use on cars with full cages fitted!

#156: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Goldin, Location: Pula , Croatia PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:07 pm
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ZiAn, what do you mean about aditional ARB?
I changed ARB, and fitted GTI180 22mm ARB.

#157: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:39 am
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@Goldin, I was referring to the aftermarket Whiteline rear ARB Wink Check it out, it just might be worth it for you, as you also uprated the front Wink

#158: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:45 am
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Another update Smile I had some spare time and finally did the mod I wanted to do for a very long time Smile

I think it turned out quite okay:
 


also I think the current engine is still quite healthy...it had no problems with a midnight run Very Happy
 

#159: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:15 pm
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Quick update after a long while Smile

New wheels --> OEM ones of a GTi180
New brakes --> changed the 607 Brembos for 406 Brembos (should get them mounted in the spring)
New ECU for the 2.2 project --> ECUMaster EMU
And the 2.2 16v engine is finally getting put together, so in about 3 months it should be up and running Smile

Pics will follow, when I'll have some spare time Smile

#160: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: usher, Location: northallerton PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:13 am
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glad this is stil going, when you planning the engine swap

#161: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: samversteeg, Location: The Netherlands PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:16 pm
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Love the project! I've seriously considered this swap.

Goodluck

#162: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 ITB in progress) pg.7 Author: 206gt160, Location: Blackburn PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:14 am
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=ZiAn= wrote:
haha tb206hdi, yes that's quite annoying Very Happy but I got used to it. At first my friends were laughing their asses of as they thought I was switching on the indicators while steering left and right Laughing

And back to the topic, we've decided that we're going to make our own throttle bodies. The reason for this, they can be designed just the way we want to, they will be far cheaper than Jenvey ones and we can make them look as standard as possible.

BTW I found a pic of the car on the latest track setup Twisted Evil

 


I believe I'll keep the all white theme on racetracks Twisted Evil

May have missed it but what size are the steel wheels and do you know the weight of them?

#163: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:29 pm
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@Usher, when the mechanics get it all together Smile Should be in about a month or two as they a re a bit busy... But if I've waited for the last 4 years I can wait a few months more Smile

@206gt160, 15" Citroen c5 if I'm not mistaken and they were super light (don't quote me but i believe they were around 6kg?).I'll ask the owner of the wheels when I get to see him Wink

#164: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: tRiCk, Location: Mitcham PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:39 pm
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What are you planning to do with the balancer shafts in your engine? I've got an ew12 in my car happy to help with any info and spare parts

#165: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: RandomGT, Location: Croatia PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:16 am
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Loving this project Very Happy And it keeps me motivated even more..If you get your engine sorted out in time,and coming to Croatia this summer,let me know Wink

#166: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: vxedcc, Location: Porthcawl PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:52 am
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Hi, what did you decide to do about the balancer shafts?

#167: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: drmo, Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:27 pm
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=ZiAn= wrote:
@Usher, when the mechanics get it all together Smile Should be in about a month or two as they a re a bit busy... But if I've waited for the last 4 years I can wait a few months more Smile

@206gt160, 15" Citroen c5 if I'm not mistaken and they were super light (don't quote me but i believe they were around 6kg?).I'll ask the owner of the wheels when I get to see him Wink
Around 4.6kg more precisely Smile Need another set? I have like 4 sets Very Happy

vxedcc wrote:
Hi, what did you decide to do about the balancer shafts?
We threw them out as they are not needed.

#168: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: heyziq, Location: Malaysia PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:13 am
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how much power it running, is 2.2 more worth to put rather than gti180 engine :),

#169: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: drmo, Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:53 pm
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Not built yet. It will have a gti180 head with catcams 805. More potential with bigger displacement, but we will see.

#170: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: drmo, Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:22 pm
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Some progress regarding the engine:
drive.google.com/uc?ex...0ZkVkU4M2c
drive.google.com/uc?ex...05Td2ZnMFk
drive.google.com/uc?ex...DZCUWQ5Wkk
drive.google.com/uc?ex...lI4b0hUZFk
drive.google.com/uc?ex...Gt5YUIzOTQ

#171: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:35 am
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Thanks for the update Drmo Smile I haven't had a lot of time lately, so I haven't been posting much so here are a few more pics:

 


 


 


 


 


 

#172: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:40 am
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I think there's something missing.. Very Happy

 


Old one is out:
 


New one waiting on the stand to be installed

#173: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Edward, Location: In the garage PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:17 am
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Excellent. I'm surprised you still have the air conditioning pump still in there. Would be interesting to see how the EW12 likes to rev with it being a longer stroke than the EW10.

#174: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: tRiCk, Location: Mitcham PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:56 am
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I've had mine in for sometime now BTW, did you notch your pistons for valve clearance, the valves on the 180 open more than the ew12s. I did on mine but I also kept the balancing shafts,

#175: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: tRiCk, Location: Mitcham PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:57 am
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No egr on mine either as I'm still using gti180 ECU

#176: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: drmo, Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:46 am
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I Timed the cams in a way that there is enough clearance when the cam is fully advanced so no notching the pistons needed. The cams are Catcams 4901805, so much more lift than the original GTI180 cams. The springs and retainers are also from Catcams.

The Balancing shafts were deleted because the rev limit will be higher and there is possibility of oil starvation and balancing shaft seizing.

@tRiCk: did you get it remaped or at least on a rolling road?

#177: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 3:02 pm
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So things are moving along, the engine is in the car and should be getting the new loom, ECU and tune in the following weeks.

Here's also a short video from last years track session. Had to slow down in the middle, due to a "funny" feeling in the steering though it luckily turned out to be fine Smile

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsQfc8j51ls

Last edited by =ZiAn= on Sun May 08, 2016 3:23 am; edited 1 time in total

#178: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Sim, Location: West Country PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 6:14 pm
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Thanks for the vid! Will serve me as a benchmark to hit of a well balanced rebuilt engine -- you gotta hear those 16 valves purrrrrroaring! Nom Nom Droolage!

What was that steering wheel feeling out of interest?

#179: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:28 am
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It was like driving on gravel etc. It's been a while since the last time I was out on track and forgot that the tires will pickup allsort of crap, specially if you're on the outerparts of the racing line Laughing

Can't wait for the new engine though, that will be a lot more fun Smile

#180: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: oldskoolz, Location: London PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:36 am
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Edward wrote:
Excellent. I'm surprised you still have the air conditioning pump still in there. Would be interesting to see how the EW12 likes to rev with it being a longer stroke than the EW10.

Doesn't seem to rev any slower than the 138. Well not that I can notice, I done the conversion about 6 months ago. Still running 138 ecu atm hoping to fit a piggyback to properly control the vvt as its just on a switch atm.

#181: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: drmo, Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:57 am
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oldskoolz wrote:
Edward wrote:
Excellent. I'm surprised you still have the air conditioning pump still in there. Would be interesting to see how the EW12 likes to rev with it being a longer stroke than the EW10.

Doesn't seem to rev any slower than the 138. Well not that I can notice, I done the conversion about 6 months ago. Still running 138 ecu atm hoping to fit a piggyback to properly control the vvt as its just on a switch atm.
If you are using EW12 head I have to disappoint you as it is only a switch and there is nothing you can do about it. The only way is to switch to EW10J4S head.

Stroke has nothing to do with engine revs, I mean, it is not limited by the stroke, not with our limiters anyway. How engines like to rev is more dependent on a bunch of other factors, like cams, ex and intake manifold design, head port design etc. The stoke with its 96mm of it, is similar to Renault 2.0 RS enignes (93mm). Even Honda K24 engines with 99mm stroke like to rev, even more than a stock GTI engine, which btw, doesn't like to rev at all with its crappy stock cams, intake and ex manifold. It is not a performance engine in any way.

#182: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:29 pm
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I think you missed the point drmo, he said about rate in which the revs increase not rev limits.

The EW10J4 justs needs a little push to make it that performance engine, for example our 143k miles (ran out of oil twice by the previous owner) made a fairly decent 190.3bhp and 170lbft of torque with a simple set of generic 48mm jenveys, cat cams and a high standard manifold with as long as viable primaries

#183: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: oldskoolz, Location: London PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:49 pm
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drmo wrote:
oldskoolz wrote:
Edward wrote:
Excellent. I'm surprised you still have the air conditioning pump still in there. Would be interesting to see how the EW12 likes to rev with it being a longer stroke than the EW10.

Doesn't seem to rev any slower than the 138. Well not that I can notice, I done the conversion about 6 months ago. Still running 138 ecu atm hoping to fit a piggyback to properly control the vvt as its just on a switch atm.
If you are using EW12 head I have to disappoint you as it is only a switch and there is nothing you can do about it. The only way is to switch to EW10J4S head.

Stroke has nothing to do with engine revs, I mean, it is not limited by the stroke, not with our limiters anyway. How engines like to rev is more dependent on a bunch of other factors, like cams, ex and intake manifold design, head port design etc. The stoke with its 96mm of it, is similar to Renault 2.0 RS enignes (93mm). Even Honda K24 engines with 99mm stroke like to rev, even more than a stock GTI engine, which btw, doesn't like to rev at all with its crappy stock cams, intake and ex manifold. It is not a performance engine in any way.

I meant so that I don't manually have to switch it on and off. Ew12 doesn't have constantly variable timing like the j4s does.

#184: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: oldskoolz, Location: London PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:53 pm
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Addaz wrote:
I think you missed the point drmo, he said about rate in which the revs increase not rev limits.

The EW10J4 justs needs a little push to make it that performance engine, for example our 143k miles (ran out of oil twice by the previous owner) made a fairly decent 190.3bhp and 170lbft of torque with a simple set of generic 48mm jenveys, cat cams and a high standard manifold with as long as viable primaries

Definitely needs a little nudge to get into shape lol. Same with this ew12 really. Got it on the rollers the other day at 171 bhp with 162lbft. Still running on 138 ecu and injectors but with gti180 inlet manifold, gti6 tb and 4-1 exhaust manifold

#185: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: Addaz, Location: Suffolk PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:31 pm
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oldskoolz wrote:
Addaz wrote:
I think you missed the point drmo, he said about rate in which the revs increase not rev limits.

The EW10J4 justs needs a little push to make it that performance engine, for example our 143k miles (ran out of oil twice by the previous owner) made a fairly decent 190.3bhp and 170lbft of torque with a simple set of generic 48mm jenveys, cat cams and a high standard manifold with as long as viable primaries

Definitely needs a little nudge to get into shape lol. Same with this ew12 really. Got it on the rollers the other day at 171 bhp with 162lbft. Still running on 138 ecu and injectors but with gti180 inlet manifold, gti6 tb and 4-1 exhaust manifold

The AFR must be all over the place with that Laughing

#186: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: oldskoolz, Location: London PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:24 pm
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Addaz wrote:
oldskoolz wrote:
Addaz wrote:
I think you missed the point drmo, he said about rate in which the revs increase not rev limits.

The EW10J4 justs needs a little push to make it that performance engine, for example our 143k miles (ran out of oil twice by the previous owner) made a fairly decent 190.3bhp and 170lbft of torque with a simple set of generic 48mm jenveys, cat cams and a high standard manifold with as long as viable primaries

Definitely needs a little nudge to get into shape lol. Same with this ew12 really. Got it on the rollers the other day at 171 bhp with 162lbft. Still running on 138 ecu and injectors but with gti180 inlet manifold, gti6 tb and 4-1 exhaust manifold

The AFR must be all over the place with that Laughing

not all over the place but not ideal at all lol pretty much 14-14.5 all the way to redline.
Reckon about 190 with a map and the limiter raised as the power does not tail off at the top end at all. Will upload the dyno printout at some point

#187: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: =ZiAn=, Location: Slovenia PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:10 pm
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After Enigma Motorsport completed their work perfectly on the mechanical side of things, we took the car to a certain ECU specialist from Slovenia.

Its been sitting there since May this year and the guy hasn't even connected the ECU to the car. After missing a whole season of track days and racing, as well as listening to all the bitching, whining and excuses while repeatedly missing his deadlines, I've had it with the ignorance of this particular lowlife. So I'm looking for recommendations, preferably looking for somebody from Austria, Hungary or Northern Italy, but once the car is loaded on a trailer I don't really care where we unload it.

I need a person, who can deal with deadlines, is serious about their business, is responsive and knows their way around DTA (S60 Pro) or ECU Master ECU's. They also need to be able to create a custom VVT map. Please refrain from recommending anybody who cannot fulfill all of the requirements as I have neither the time or patience for people like that.

If I won't find anybody suitable, the car either goes into the garage as a really expensive paperweight or I'll strip it down and sell the parts.

#188: Re: ZiAn's pride & joy 206GTi (EW12J4 in progress) pg.9 Author: PezHdi, Location: Shrewsbury PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:00 pm
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What happened to this build?
Did it ever get completed?



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