#1: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:27 pm ---- just tried replacing these trailing arm bearings but failed . got them in the trailing arm no probs 5 mins . but getting the arm back on was a diff matter , couldnt get it all the way in about an inch left i think it had something to do with the red bars that attach to both ends { are they anti roll bars ? } tried and tried but in the end the new bearings collapsed . is there a proper or easier way to do it , got to buy another bearing nkoe ,, bugger .
#2: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:11 pm ---- You should completely remove the red torsion bars when putting the arms back on the tube.
#3: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:16 pm ---- If its the anti roll bar, thats inside the axle tube. The red bars are more than likely the torsion bars. On all the bars you need to match up the spines in order to get the opposite side on. Did you take measurements before you took it all apart? Also the new bearings will need greasing. If the bearings have been shot for a while it will also more than likely scored the axle tubee.
Dont take this the wrong way, but do you know what your doing? Have you got a guide?
#4: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:38 pm ----
Steve206 wrote:
If its the anti roll bar, thats inside the axle tube. The red bars are more than likely the torsion bars. On all the bars you need to match up the spines in order to get the opposite side on. Did you take measurements before you took it all apart? Also the new bearings will need greasing. If the bearings have been shot for a while it will also more than likely scored the axle tubee.
Dont take this the wrong way, but do you know what your doing? Have you got a guide?
Forgot to mention this. If its bad then you might as well not bother replacing the arms.
#5: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:48 am ---- yes i did take measurements before stripping & greased bearings , only 1 side of torion bar comes loose other side is solid . and no i havent got a guide ?? does the torsion bar come off both ends ??? if so i will try and knock it harder .
#6: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: rick-gti, Location: welshpool, mid walesPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:52 am ---- have a look at this: www.206info.co.uk/Foru...28351.html
Also i beleive you do one side at a time when doing it.
#7: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:11 am ---- so do i just knock as hard as i can to get the torsion bar off or can i refit without taking it off, although i failed first time . i have another axle as well but that seems stuck as well ???
i am not completely twp but past half way .
any help or suggestions will help but probably go in 1 year & out the other .. only kidding
#8: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:17 pm ---- any advice would be greatly apreciated .
#9: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:22 pm ---- They only knock out one direction. Follow the guide, should be of help.
#10: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:28 pm ---- Brake fluid is good to free stuff up. Just be careful what you are doing.
#11: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Fifer, Location: FifePosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:51 am ---- Anti roll bar won't come into play untill the end plate gets refitted. Did you clean the torsion bar splines and hole and then grease.
When I did mine on thur, drivers rear, the torsion bar was jammed solid that side. In the end it cam out the passenger side so the torsion bar was still attached to the trail arm.
You will get the arm on so far, then it's a case of moving the arm up and down to engage the correct splice for the torsion bar. Once it's engaged after a few taps measure. If it too low or high reverse the direction to disengage and put it on another spline. If not you will lower or raise that side.
#14: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:43 am ---- torsion stuck solid on mine too , tried reinserting with it on but no joy and knackered my new bearings i put in . if i bugger the next lot up i wont be a happy bunny . wish i went to a garage now. ps. those links dont work for me . ??
#15: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:04 am ---- which way should i be hitting the torsion bar [ driverside stuck } hitting from outside in / inside out ?/ passenger side was outside in . do you know what i mean ??
#16: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Fifer, Location: FifePosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:43 am ---- If you are refitting the arm with the torsion bar still attached to the arm then tap arm on untill you see the torsion bar going into its hole under the car on the opposite side. Then hold the arm at your measured height and keep tapping gently while moving the arm slightly up and down to engage the splines. Once engaged check measurement.
If you are going to completely remove torsion bar from the arm .then it's outside in for the hit. (if the torsion bar is stuck on the trailing arm and off the car)
Type in. how to repair a axle on a Peugeot 206. Into you tube. The video is by liamautomechanic in 3 parts.
#17: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:56 am ---- thnks i looked at those youtube before attempting job and thought it was easy but for the life of me i cant get that torsion bar to engage on passenger side , luckily enough i got the arm back off without breaking bearing { again } what else can i do , i have asked this question before but are you sure the torsion bar comes out from the inside { drivers rear } it does on the rear passenger but i don't know . does the bar go through the arm completely on the drivers side ??
any advice would be welcome iff only to say you muppet .
#18: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:04 pm ---- one more thing i have been trying it with only 1 side jacked up , would this make a diff ?? would it be easier if i had the back end on axle stands ??
#19: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Fifer, Location: FifePosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:22 pm ---- This may seem a dumb question but did you remove the screw and washer from the passenger side of the torsion bar or are they still on the end. If you didn't then are they stuck in the hole or on the end of the bar?
Have you tried cleaning the passenger side torsion bar threads and hole threads. Look to see if you have a damaged thread.
I have seen a video where torsion bar for the drivers side pulls out of the drivers side (in to out) but this was for lowering.
It doesn't answer the question of why the torsion bar won't engage on the spindles that side though and even if you get the torsion bar completely separated it's still going to have to engage on those spindles in the passenger side.
#20: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:53 pm ---- yes i removed the screw but the washer is still there, washer doesnt stop the torsion bar going back in does it ?? i would rather get the arm on without dam bearings again and think about the bar later .
#21: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:59 pm ----
ghosty1970 wrote:
yes i removed the screw but the washer is still there, washer doesnt stop the torsion bar going back in does it ?? i would rather get the arm on without dam bearings again and think about the bar later .
remove the washer and get the bars out.
the arm is very easy to put back on without the torsion bar, and you should be able to use the anti-roll bar to lock the arm in place and put the torsion bar back.
and once the torsion bar threads is clean and grease it is very easy to put it back in too
#22: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:34 pm ---- but the bar is out of the passenger side so the washer wouldnt make a diff?? stuck solid on the arm taken out . would it make a diff iff i lifted other side off the floor so there is more play for the torsion bar ??
#23: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Fifer, Location: FifePosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:22 pm ---- I'm wondering if the fact that you only have one side jacked could be causing this as well. It didn't with mine but that's not to say you don't have a slight twist or something.
Have you checked the threads on the bar and hole?
#24: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:27 pm ---- If one side is jacked up and the antil roll bar is still in place you'll never get the arm back in place.
#25: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:49 pm ---- cheers Edward & evreyone who has contributed to my stupidity will get both sides on axle stands 2moz and try , if it is that simple i will be kicking myself & the dogs. curiosity i measured clearance with 1 side jacked up as well , { should i have ?? } what would or should be the correct method .
#26: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:22 pm ---- whoop, whoop got it on at last BUT now cant get the bolts in the torsion bar either end , yes the washer is out of the way , are these bolts esential , i will have to rethread i think . all other bolts & bits are in place .
#27: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Fifer, Location: FifePosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:09 pm ---- Good news.
I think the bolts stop the torsion bar from being able to slide out under vibration. I'm sure you know how likely that is to happen. However have you wiggled the washer around and did you clean out the groove and edge of washer. (Wouldn't the end plate keep it in anyway.)
They may just need retapping but I'm not sure of the size.
#28: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:11 pm ---- i would think it will be better to put the bolts in...
it used to lock the washer in place so the torsion bar can't get loosen over time...
#29: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:10 pm ---- ok ta , will have to rethread the torsion bar then.
#30: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: ghosty1970, Location: llanelliPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:14 pm ---- 1 more little thing when i took the hub off the bearings and bits fell out not broke but wich way do all the bits go back in , i got everything back in but for the 1 looks like a circlip but not , where does this bit go . i have another hub/drum and cant see it in this one ..
#31: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:15 pm ----
Fifer wrote:
Good news.
I think the bolts stop the torsion bar from being able to slide out under vibration. I'm sure you know how likely that is to happen. However have you wiggled the washer around and did you clean out the groove and edge of washer. (Wouldn't the end plate keep it in anyway.)
They may just need retapping but I'm not sure of the size.
from my memory the bolts should be M 8..
#32: Re: trailing arm bearings Author: Fifer, Location: FifePosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:36 pm ---- If its the angled bearings their is a sort of circlip that holds the bearing in the drum. Looking from the inside of the drum.
I had the same thing. Quoted 26 for new from factors. If the bit is a complete metal circle piece I believe it goes on the stub first against the rubber seal facing inwards. But can't guarantee that.
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