#1: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: redpug205, Location: stroud,glos.Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:42 pm ---- Hi all
As you can see I have a 180 which had a flat spot at 3-4000 revs done all the required things.
Cleaned the below
Maf sensor (bit gummed up) Carb. Cleaner
Air filter (a good wash with a bit of washing powder) K&n and a re-oil
Throttle body and pipe work. Carb. Cleaner
Vvt good clean ( got a new one any way has a mesh filter cover on it now! ) is this a new design.
Changed plugs to bosh ones
A little improvement but still a flat spot! So I decided to look at the air intake system and the flap in the intake seemed a bit stiff. Not smooth a bit of WD40 sorted that out opens and closes smoothly now noticed it closed slower traced it back to the breather pipe which has a little foam filter in it took that out and hay presto opens and closes faster and smother. A quick squirt of wd40 down the pipe and cleaned the little foam filter ( carb cleaner ) reassembled.
And the flat spot has gone!!!!!!
Done this last week through I would see if it came back and I can report it has gone for good.
Goes like a scolded cat when the VVT kicks in.
Hope this helps if you have this problem.
#2: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: jayz206gti, Location: TamworthPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:53 pm ---- Nice one pal! Im gunna give all my engine a good clean next week and may have a look at this whilst im there!
#3: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: redpug205, Location: stroud,glos.Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:59 pm ---- glad to be of a help let us know if it works
#4: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:31 pm ---- you should post this in the fixed 206 problems section
#5: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:32 pm ---- Vvt dont kick in , as for the mesh around it it was just a redesign part peugeot made it keep it cleaner longer
#6: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: redpug205, Location: stroud,glos.Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:32 pm ----
HDI90 wrote:
Vvt dont kick in , as for the mesh around it it was just a redesign part peugeot made it keep it cleaner longer
hi i know didnt know how to explain the change in pulling power but feels a whole lot diffrent.
#7: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:39 pm ---- Cean the foam filter of the breather pipe can just make the valve close faster (not open)... The electrovanne switches the pipes (at about 3500rpm), connecting the intake manifold (wich have depressed air) to the round air reserve near the filter (that is made like a small servo brake) to make the valve open. When the engine rpms get lower 3500, the valve switch tubes to join the air reserve (which is now in depression) to the pipe with foam (it's like a very small cone filter!), that breathes air to make the valve close...
The WD40 sprayed down the pipe will go inside the servo, and I think this is no good...
#8: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: redpug205, Location: stroud,glos.Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:56 pm ----
gpvecchi wrote:
Cean the foam filter of the breather pipe can just make the valve close faster (not open)... The electrovanne switches the pipes (at about 3500rpm), connecting the intake manifold (wich have depressed air) to the round air reserve near the filter (that is made like a small servo brake) to make the valve open. When the engine rpms get lower 3500, the valve switch tubes to join the air reserve (which is now in depression) to the pipe with foam (it's like a very small cone filter!), that breathes air to make the valve close...
The WD40 sprayed down the pipe will go inside the servo, and I think this is no good...
er ok was only a really smal squirt of wd40
may be i have done some thing else but each step was done on a diffrent day and only the last bit got rid of the problem might be a bit of a luck but it worked for me.
#9: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: redpug205, Location: stroud,glos.Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:13 pm ---- Update on flat spot been running the car on various trips long and short and flat spot has gone for good
(will come back tomorrow now I have said this)
So it seems my little fix/tweak has worked for me.
By the way spoke to another 180 driver and they have done the same he said it made a difference to.
#10: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: redpug205, Location: stroud,glos.Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:18 pm ---- Hi all
an update on the flat spot still not running right so i thought I would look in to how it works . I know it does not have EGR valve but the intake air system runs to a small valve on the right hand side of the engine. So I took this off and boy was this coked up. And I do mean coked up so a good de coke was in order including the hole in the cylinder head which it bolts to. Put it all back together not thinking it would make a big difference but boy was I wrong! So I can report that it has made the car pull like a train and idle smooth and steady and run 100% better and fuel usage has gone down to so a worthwhile fix. Try it and see if it works on yours.
#11: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Daniel206RC, Location: Oslo, NorwayPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:23 pm ---- Hi, can you make a howto? or point out all the things you have cleaned in a engine picture???
#12: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:09 pm ---- The valve you're talking is a valve that works when air pump is on (only when angine is cold): it let the pump blows air into exhaust conduct inside engine head, and then to cat, to make its temperature raise faster and reduce pollution. If it's locked in open position, you'll have some exhaust gas go down the tube in direction of the pump.
You could check its correct work simply turning off the engine when it reached its normal temperature. You should hear a small "puff" sound near intake tubes, as the decompression of engine makes the valve open for a while.
I think that flat spot is typical of EW10J4S, removing the resonator on intake just enhance it. I'm almost sure that it has been placed there for that...
#13: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 4:44 am ----
gpvecchi wrote:
The valve you're talking is a valve that works when air pump is on (only when angine is cold): it let the pump blows air into exhaust conduct inside engine head, and then to cat, to make its temperature raise faster and reduce pollution. If it's locked in open position, you'll have some exhaust gas go down the tube in direction of the pump.
You could check its correct work simply turning off the engine when it reached its normal temperature. You should hear a small "puff" sound near intake tubes, as the decompression of engine makes the valve open for a while.
I think that flat spot is typical of EW10J4S, removing the resonator on intake just enhance it. I'm almost sure that it has been placed there for that...
I always wondered what that Puff noise was when turning off my 180, My 180 always ran lumpy from cold which I believe was down to the air pump
#14: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:36 pm ---- Well, every GTI 180 runs lumpy when cold, because of a particular map; I tried disabling pump via PPS2000, but it doesn't help.
To limit problems when cold, keep your air filter and your throttle body clean. I clean both of them every 5000 kms and it works nearly linear...
#15: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:23 am ----
gpvecchi wrote:
Well, every GTI 180 runs lumpy when cold, because of a particular map; I tried disabling pump via PPS2000, but it doesn't help.
To limit problems when cold, keep your air filter and your throttle body clean. I clean both of them every 5000 kms and it works nearly linear...
Ive sold the car now, but used to clean the throttle body and service every 6 months and it still didnt make much of a difference.
I know one of the peugeot solutions for the misfire was to clean the carbon deposits from the inlet valve tract, also did this and still the same.
I think its just something 180 owners learn to live with, bit worrying when you first experience it but you soon learn to deal with it
#16: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Daniel206RC, Location: Oslo, NorwayPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:16 pm ---- Hi can someone point out where all the things I shall clean?
Trackday coming up!!!
#17: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Daniel206RC, Location: Oslo, NorwayPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:43 pm ---- someone ???????? trackday tomorrow!
#18: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:47 am ---- As you have an induction kit, you removed all the things we're talking...
#19: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 2:36 am ---- Hello guys. Yesterday I research nearly all menus in PeugeotPlanet 2000 for disabling Hot air Pump inside in wheel arc. When I disconnect that pump Check Engine Lights appear. My last test will be measure pump with Voltmeter when its working and putting some Heavy Duty Resistance.
But I find disabling power steering assist sensor to disable. Thats good for me.
#20: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:21 am ---- For air pump you have to disable it inside BSI parameters; you'll have to remove air fuse, too, as it will work anyway...
I tried that, but it is unuseful...
#21: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 1:52 pm ---- Is there anycheck light after that. I think I did look at bsi parameters but i will check again. I'm using GroupA style airbox. I dont need that hot airpump. As everybodys know gti180/rc very lumpy engines when its cold. Even standart air induction system and that hot air pump when working.
#22: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:50 pm ---- I tried, and it worked. But car was still lumpy... It's not bacause of the air pump, I'm afraid...Have you removed the solenoid valve? That causes warning light, and there's no way to avoid it. If you need help you can cantact me in PM or Facebook, we're OT here...
#23: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: jayz206gti, Location: TamworthPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:55 pm ---- Solenoid valve? Can that throw up the ani-polution fault?
#24: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:08 pm ---- Yep! I'm talking of the solenoid that open/closes the second pipe on the stock air intake. You have to leave the solenoid connected, and eventually close the pipes junction to prevent dirt go inside it. Disconnecting it causes fault light...
#25: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:20 pm ---- I just disconnected stock bottom airbox 1 year ago. There is no light or stored error in ecu. I only have top airbox. I just want to remove hot air pump. Today We was very busy on my faulty rear brake caliper with bigger disc installation. I hope I will check BSI settings in PP2000 at yesterday.
#26: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: jayz206gti, Location: TamworthPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:40 pm ---- How did you get on removing the hot air pump? Throw any faults up?
#27: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:26 am ----
jayz206gti wrote:
How did you get on removing the hot air pump? Throw any faults up?
Yep I removed hot air pump. After 1 day fault error come to screen. Thanks to gpvecchi he tell me there is option in PeugeotPlanet 2000 BSI Settings Customer Options for turning of hot air pump. Now fault is gone.
#28: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: andyleep, Location: GloucestershirePosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:15 am ---- Where is the foam filter that was mentioned in earlier posts? Is it inside a pipe?
#29: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: jayz206gti, Location: TamworthPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:02 am ---- Thats good that you can turn it off. Have you noticed the difference without it when the engines cold?
#30: Re: 206 gti 180 flat spot now fixed fix tip Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:23 pm ----
jayz206gti wrote:
Thats good that you can turn it off. Have you noticed the difference without it when the engines cold?
If you talking about jerky run on very cold start then answer is same. But its time to change spark plugs.
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