#1: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:14 pm ---- Right I have just changed n/s wishbone and top engine mount on my 180 in the snow nonetheless. I replaced the top engine mount as it seemed to have a lot of movement,
Ive replaced everything the buffers, the mount and top bush, and there is still a lot of movement, nearly a 1 cm gap between the buffer on the side nearest the front of the car.
Are they all like this? as Im still getting bad movement when backing off the throttle quickly in low gears and when going on the throttle, which is pulling on the exhaust and causing it to blow at the manifold and the flexi. Its been like this for nearly 3 years now and Im no closer to solving the problem, have replaced all the engine mounts in the past year.
Any thoughts or other owners with the same problems?
#2: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:18 pm ---- did you change the lower mount?
#3: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:23 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
did you change the lower mount?
I changed the lower mount last year some time, the movement seems all on the top due to the gap in the buffers
#4: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:33 pm ---- Sounds normal.
#5: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:36 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Sounds normal.
the amount of movement when backing off the throttle leads me to believe it isnt, my old 206 Gti had no movement, its very much like a bucking motion which means you need to treat the accelerator like its made of paper to get smooth transition from off power to on power.
In all the cars Ive owned I have never experienced anything like it, and its also causing my exhaust to blow, everytime I fix it the problem soon returns.
#6: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:37 pm ---- Are you sure its not the clutch cause the judder?
#7: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:51 pm ----
Steve206 wrote:
Are you sure its not the clutch cause the judder?
No definitely not the clutch I replaced that myself 6months ago.
Basically if your in 2nd gear doing about 20 mph then back off the throttle quickly the engine bucks quite violently,same in 1st gear and 3rd, same bucking if you accelerate hard from no throttle position.
Its worse in the lower gears obviously but not as bad in the higher gears although still noticeable
#8: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:24 pm ---- How do you know how much the engine is moving?
#9: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:26 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Sounds normal.
I agree, my 180 was as you describe, you just need to be more smooth on the pedal.
#10: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:00 pm ----
sri16v wrote:
Steve206 wrote:
Are you sure its not the clutch cause the judder?
No definitely not the clutch I replaced that myself 6months ago.
Basically if your in 2nd gear doing about 20 mph then back off the throttle quickly the engine bucks quite violently,same in 1st gear and 3rd, same bucking if you accelerate hard from no throttle position.
Its worse in the lower gears obviously but not as bad in the higher gears although still noticeable
Well mine is like this as well when cold, but my clutch needs chenging, maybe i should check my mounts as well!
#11: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:00 am ---- Replace the buffers with Mini suspension bump stops..... you wont have a gap then
#12: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:46 am ----
Edward wrote:
How do you know how much the engine is moving?
Its kind of hard not to notice the movement when driving, the amount of movement is very unusual for a modern day car, just fed up of fixing the exhaust only for it to be blowing a few months later down the line due to the amount of movement.
#13: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:50 am ---- It's very normal - if yours is normal. That's how they make cars refined these days. I still don't know how you can tell how much the engine is moving when you drive it - after all you can't see it.
#14: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:22 pm ----
Edward wrote:
It's very normal - if yours is normal. That's how they make cars refined these days. I still don't know how you can tell how much the engine is moving when you drive it - after all you can't see it.
You can feel the movement after backing off, dont see whats hard to understand.
I still dont think it is normal, my old 138 gti never used to exhibit these symptoms nor does any other car that I have driven or owned barring my old 205 GTi, but that was more down to the basic Bosch Jetronic fuel injection managment, very on off.
#15: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: mjrimmer, Location: davenportPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:45 am ---- when you say lower mount did you change the mount on top of the gear box or the one to the rear of the engine which is called the torsional damper (drivers side drive shaft has to be removed)
#16: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:37 pm ----
mjrimmer wrote:
when you say lower mount did you change the mount on top of the gear box or the one to the rear of the engine which is called the torsional damper (drivers side drive shaft has to be removed)
One at the rear of the engine, I seem to recall removing passenger driveshaft though, cant remember as it was last year sometime
#17: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: mjrimmer, Location: davenportPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:21 pm ---- The one on top of the gearbox sort of resembles a big doughnut where it sits on the gearbox, where as the bottom one has to have the drivers side drive shaft removed as it passes through the housing that connects the mount to the engine. It's circular in a metal sleeve with a tie bar connecting it to the sub frame......and usually needs pressing out of the housing.
When this one goes it can allow exessive forward and backwards engine movement
#18: Re: 180 owners, top engine mount gap in between buffers? Author: john206gti, Location: south shieldsPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:52 pm ---- I had same problem on my 138.
Changed bottom mount and it was alot better but still noticeable.
So I spaced the buffers out with a couple of washers to close the gap. leaving about 1mm gap each side.
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