#1: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:10 pm ---- I had my DPF removed today, professional and at a cost of £400, DPF was drilled out, and can left in place, DPF and all related functions removed form the BSI,
i now have an anti-pollution fault warning on the MFD, and the engine management light illuminated on my dash, obviously this will be rectified by avontuning.
but is the car safe to drive in the mean time, as i will have to drive it to them (a 40odd mile drive, down the m4).
as i use the car daily this obviously puts me out somewhat, with it being a bank holiday weekend.
#2: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:52 am ---- looks like the job wasn't done professionally then
#3: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: adam_w_1, Location: EssexPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:18 am ---- I've read on other forums that DPF removal is a tricky thing on the Pugs - That's what deterred me from doing it.
From what I've read, it can take a few attempts before the car agrees to part with the DPF (or FAP lol). Not sure about whether it's driveable, but I'm sure googling the problem willhelp to uncover whether you're able to drive it or not, I imagine that many people have experienced the same problems, since that 1.6 hdi is fitted to LOADS of PSA cars.
#4: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 4:46 am ---- £400!! you've had your pants down
#5: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: nellyhaggis, Location: SheffieldPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:05 am ---- I had mine done with no probs.
Take it back and get them to do it properly.
Did you get it tuned at the same time?
#6: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:38 am ----
Seabook wrote:
looks like the job wasn't done professionally then
it was, its another issue thats flagging the anti-polution fault.
nellyhaggis wrote:
I had mine done with no probs.
Take it back and get them to do it properly.
Did you get it tuned at the same time?
i did talk it back today, fault code read, and coming up with a turbo preasure issue, its output is 2470mb (yes im well aware the it can only go up to 1400mb), so there is something else wrong.
it was mapped down to 130bhp, i got about 1 mile away before it flagged the same issue, so back to a std map of 110bhp, but interestingly the code that is the issue is
P0238 - turbo sensor a circuit high
will have to check what this actually means when i get home from work, unless someone answers in the meantime. but i have been told once this error is corrected, the car will be mapped back up to a stage 1 (140bhp, 60nm more torque, 7+mpg more), so its off to my mechanic of wednesday, to have it looked at.
fyi fault is still registering on both dash and MFD, but car drives fine, and pulls better.
#7: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:51 am ---- did he ever done this before?
i believe the mapper has to adjusted the boost after removing the FAP or it will blow the turbo/ throw out fault code due to the increase in exhuast gas flow
or i believe Lee has got a better answer for this
#8: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:59 am ---- this is what he does all day long, dpf removal after dpf removal, his co-workers car is also a 206 HDi GTi running insane power and boost, and by insane i mean he's killed several turbos.
as for the boost it was adjusted in map, so it was running right, i actually had the car back in swindon, and was driving ok till the anti-polution fault kicked in, just googled it and it seems it could be the anything from the turbo itself, via the turbo vac pipe, to the turbo solinoid. so i think ill just have to wait till my friend can have a look at it, unless like i said someone has a better idea of what this actually points to.
#9: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:10 am ---- just a quick update on the DPF issue,
took it to my friend who removed the turbo sensor, cleaned it, and reconnected it, cleared the code, i took it away and drove it for 300miles before it flagged the fault again. so as i had bought a new sensor, i swapped it out and drove again for another 300 odd miles before it appeared again.
so on sunday i took it back to avontuning, to get it mapped back up to a stage 1 tune, before doing so he checked for fault codes, same one there P0238, this time i have a the screen from pug planet :
screen from pug planet showing the turbo preassure reading at 2470mbar
so this was cleared and remap done, it has yet to flag the fault, i have done some 75miles so ill see how it goes when it passes 300, lol
i thought id check the pipework to the sensor, to see if that was causing an issue
this is what i found on remiving this pipe from just after the intercooler.
i have made sure it is fitted correctly, with no bits caught, i did also note it was very oily in there (im aware there will be a small amount of oil), so for now the problem seems fixed :)
p.s. does anyone know if you can get sillicone hoses for this car, samco or other ???
#10: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:04 pm ---- Is it seriously kicking out 2 and a half bars of boost? Or am I misreading that!
Is it seriously kicking out 2 and a half bars of boost? Or am I misreading that!
Lmao, according to the sensor yes, but in reality if it were to do that it would probably blow the turbo, and the engine apart as the most the t15 varible vane turbo can take is 1400mbar, so there is an obvious fault there somewhere.
Interestingly, since stripping out the air doser, all pipework around it, giving it a good clean it seems to be running better. Still chucking out black smoke, it has yet to flag the P0238 fault, and I have been driving it harder than normal.
#12: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:53 pm ---- I did think somewhere near 40psi was quite impressive/practically impossible!
Back to the original post, for 400 notes I'd have expected the map as part of the package, its not the biggest job in the world to remove the filter.
Did they just take it off, drill a hole and replace, or did they do something extra?
#13: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:54 pm ---- forgot to add - was taking the Doser off an easy trick? (looks like just a few hex screws)
#14: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:18 am ----
unstabletable wrote:
I did think somewhere near 40psi was quite impressive/practically impossible!
Back to the original post, for 400 notes I'd have expected the map as part of the package, its not the biggest job in the world to remove the filter.
Did they just take it off, drill a hole and replace, or did they do something extra?
forgot to add - was taking the Doser off an easy trick? (looks like just a few hex screws)
lol, and the map was part of the deal, its just with my sensor bing a bugger, i wanted to try and save the turbo so had it mapped to original while i got that sorted.
the air doser is actually quite easy to remove, the rubber mount at the base of mine is broken so mine just pulled off. however the correct way is the remove the 2 10mm nuts, which hole the metal support plate, then remover the torx screw (can be accessed by the underside of the unit) it should then just unclip, after you have removed all connecting pipes and sensor wires of course
#15: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:34 pm ---- Cheers for that - I did think it was simple, just wanted to check (not put my head under the bonnet for a while)
That's not a bad deal in my opinion then! Aside from your symptoms, how is the drive?
#16: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:45 am ---- sorry for thee late reply
the drive is immense, faptastic (-the fap, lol), it actually pulls better, fuel econemy is better, when driven sensibily, im currently getting around 54.6mpg around town (thats keeping it under 2000rpm), but if i drive normailly i get about 44-46 mpg, compared to my before avg of around 33mpg so it has been an improvement, as for power i can quite easily off a golf tdi, and bmw 120d.
as for the pita sensor, not herd a peep out of it since i fixed the bent pipe, there is still a ton of smoke, but that is caused by worn turbo seals, so i guess a new turbo is next big thing.
anyone know of any DV6's with good low milage turbo's and doser boxes going cheap.
#17: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:53 am ----
Ghosty wrote:
so i guess a new turbo is next big thing.
anyone know of any DV6's with good low milage turbo's
2nd hand turbo's are like gold dust for the DV6
Service / exchange unit your looking £1.1k to £1.4K from Turbo Technics fitted with warranty & thats also doing the job correctly
Turbo replacement is pretty involved to do the job correctly.
Most garages that havent got a clue just swop the turbo then wonder why the car comes back again with a 2nd failed turbo shortly afterwards
#18: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:02 am ---- Funny you should say that, I'm trying to sell mine with the dv6ted4 but I'm thing of stripping it instead...
Glad it still drives well
#19: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:15 am ---- @mrbsi
i can get a cheap china (but quility, yes i did use the 2 together) one for £300, and my mate who constently takes turbos apart (his scooby one for starters) can fit it. i know it wont last long but if it lasts at least 50k miles, then i should have enought to get a decent one.
@unstabletable
might be interested if its low miles, and not to buggered "by that i mean no play in shaft, oil seals ok etc" i only need the air doser as the mount on mine is buggered, the unit itself works fine.
#20: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:33 pm ---- Well its about 10k miles old as I had a new one and intercooler about 8 months ago, cost me muchas dollars, but I'll keep you posted in the meantime, keep us posted about you're, let us know if smoke gets any better after a few more miles!
#21: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue May 29, 2012 6:34 am ---- i will, im not expecting it to, as with the shot turbo seals, i think the only thing i can do is replace the unit or use thicker oil, which is not good for the rest of the turbo.
might have to look at the cheap chinese option till i can afford a better turbo.
as for the rest of the smoke i think some of it is due to the fact that now there is no dpf, there are hugh flat surface the soot can sit on at low preassure so when i boot it, the preasure difference cause it to get chucked out the back.
will get my friend to investigate when hes back from honeymoon, see if we can add a straight internal pipe to the cat, so i have the best of both.
#22: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:23 am ---- could you not get a turbo off a focus, mini D etc as is the same lump?
#23: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue May 29, 2012 2:13 pm ---- im looking at the options, as there are many cars that use the dv6, the problem lies in what they may have changed, if it is generically the same then there should be no reason why i cant.
beside the cars you listed, the fiesta, volvo, nissan, i think even toyota use the dv6, as it is quite an impressive (although troublesome) engine. when all the kinks are worked out, i should have a solid realiable (well as realiable as anything french) unit.
#24: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:25 pm ---- It WILL be a good engine when they've solved the various issues, if it can be as reliable as the old TUD5 engines they used to have, we'll be onto a winner - until that day, keep changing your oil regularly, and the oil pickup if required - and check those oil supply pipes!
Quick question Ghosty - once running up to temperature, where does your oil temperature level sit now?
#25: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:39 pm ---- Lol, when my mechanic gets back from honeymoon that's his next job a full oil service, plus pipe clean etc, as i checked the oil yesterday and it was black.
As for the temp it get hotter faster, but no real difference in readings on tthe gadges, ill check tomorrow while I'm working as that will heat it up
#26: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:59 pm ---- Yea keep us posted Was it solid black or did it have a more translucent tone to it (Grey)?
#27: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:08 pm ---- Solid black, well a viscous black, it looked like black paint. Which might account for some of the black smoke if its burning oil, although the digital reading seems to holding steady now at 3 full and 3 empty sectors, I checked the dipstick and this seems to tally with the half level mark
On a side note I'm now at 400 miles and the sensor is still fine, so maybe that problem is now fixed (crosses fingers, legs and toes) .
#28: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:45 pm ---- Yea cross everything! Sounds due for a change. Put the fresh in it, then re-evaluate your smoke - no point taking the car apart if it could just be sneaking through somewhere!
Does your mechanic drop the sump off and look at the pickup?
#29: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 3:47 pm ---- Not sure, Ill just let him get on with it, lol
#30: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:39 pm ---- sorry been having a few problems with my HTC Desire, got a samsung galaxy s3 now so should be able to take and post more pics, however
600miles and yep the anti-pollution fault is back.......
#31: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: unstabletable, Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:25 pm ---- Bugger, time to hook it up to planet, read some data?
#32: Re: DPF Removal issue Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:35 pm ---- Hi Guys
Sorry for the lack of updates, been having a few issues.
right where to begin, i still have the 206 HDi GTi, although i have considered a swap on a GTi 180, as im no longer driving as a job due to me tearing my ACL, so i don't actually need a diesel anymore.
as for the car itself, its gone through another turbo, sourced from a reputable company, got 2500 miles then boom snapped the shaft, along with other errors (yep the map sensor was at it again).
however the does appear to be some light at the end of the think black cloud of smoke filled tunnel, i managed to get a good deal on a 1.6 HDi sport turbo (its the some one as mine was) it had done 50k miles, was fitted as per spec, pipe was checked but as it was virtually brand new was cleaned out rather than replaced. there is now a lot less smoke, it still does smoke, but not the thick black cloud it was. i have not herd a peep from the over boast sensor, and the car is now no longer hesitating to accelerate.
i have learn how to take the front of the car apart so i could clean the inter-cooler out, and found lots of metal shards, that have come from the end of the turbo, so ultimately it will need a new core. but that is a secondary issue to the fact i think the maf sensor is gone. so that is next to be replaced. then its a new core, and see where i am after that, that's assuming i don't sell up and get a 180 in the mean time as there both valued at around £2.5k at the moment.
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