#1: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:47 am ---- Well, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Only started happening 2 days ago. I try the switches and sometimes nothing happens at all.
What can be the problem?
#2: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Martind, Location: Woolsery, North DevonPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:04 am ---- Maybe the contacts are abit dirty in the switch?
Try taking the switch out and use abit of wd40 on it.
If no joy try getting a new window switch.
#3: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:37 pm ---- will be the switch! there dead cheap on ebay now! few quid if that!
#4: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:17 am ---- How do I get the switch out?
#5: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:19 am ---- small screwdriver at the bottom of the switch and it will just pop out out! 2 second job!
#6: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Sat May 26, 2012 5:12 am ---- So I took out the switch, didn't seem dirty at all so just sprayed on WD40 on the contacts and will have to see if it solves the problem.
#7: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 5:19 am ----
iainlovatt wrote:
small screwdriver at the bottom of the switch and it will just pop out out! 2 second job!
I wouldn't of thought it would be anything else! Keep us informed!
#8: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:36 pm ----
iainlovatt wrote:
will be the switch! there dead cheap on ebay now! few quid if that!
Cheapest for a GTi is £16 Ordered one just now.
My drivers side window is stuck half way down.
Anything I can do to get it back up without a working switch!?
#9: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:49 pm ----
Necro wrote:
My drivers side window is stuck half way down.
Anything I can do to get it back up without a working switch!?
Stick 12 volts in to the 2 wires that go to the window motor from the switch.
One way will make it go down, swop the polarity round & it will go up.
#10: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:52 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
Necro wrote:
My drivers side window is stuck half way down.
Anything I can do to get it back up without a working switch!?
Stick 12 volts in to the 2 wires that go to the window motor from the switch.
One way will make it go down, swop the polarity round & it will go up.
I'm abit thick when it comes to cars, can you say that again in speak a stupid person would understand?
#11: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: mtempsch, Location: Gothenburg, SwedenPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:02 pm ----
Necro wrote:
I'm abit thick when it comes to cars, can you say that again in speak a stupid person would understand?
Two wires go to the motor: call them A and B.
If there's +12V on A and B is grounded -> window goes up.
If instead A is grounded and B is +12V -> window goes down.
You could connect 2 temporary wires onto the ones that go to the motor, and then by hand touch the other ends of these temp. wires to + and - on the battery. If the window goes the wrong way, just switch which wire is at + and - at the battery.
Just be careful how you connect to the wires and how you handle the ends around the battery to avoid shorts.
You might want to see if you have some mate that 'gets' the initial suggestion to assist (likely to be more familiar/comfortable around car electricity).
#12: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:08 pm ---- Which part of the plug (that connects to the switch) do I need to connect the wires to or does it not matter?
#13: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:27 pm ---- right buddy!
Take the doorcard off,
then take the insulations off,
Now you should be able to see the motor, and the wires that go to the motor,
Now all you do is put 12v to the motor, i used a car batter and briefly toucher the metal pins inside the connection block of the motor in the window mechanism, this will either make it go up or down, then just swap over the + and the - to revers it?
Hope that a bit easier!
All you are doing it testing the motor, !!!
#14: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:40 pm ---- Oh, so its nothing to do with the plug that connects to the switch, right?
#15: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: mtempsch, Location: Gothenburg, SwedenPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:46 pm ----
Necro wrote:
Which part of the plug (that connects to the switch) do I need to connect the wires to or does it not matter?
It can be done by the switch or out in the door. By the switch is less cramped/easier to see, but more wires to confuse you...
As you unplug the switch, look at the plug with the wires.
There should be six wires:
1x +12V (feed )
1x ground (feed)
2x wires to left motor
2x wires to right motor
Going by this diagram, where 116 is the switch unit and 118 the drivers window motor, the wires you want are violet and grey in positions 3B/4A.
As long as you avoid the feed wires, brown and yellow/green in positions 3A and 1A you should be OK...
Since it's numbered 1A through 4B, I'd assume 2 rows x 4 (matches the unit in front of me).
If you identify the yellow/green wire, then you want the one in the same row but at the other end (presumably grey and numbered 608) and the one one step in but in the other row (should be violet and marked 609)
Not certain if this diagram applies to your car, but it's somewhere to start...
As you can see in the diagram, the wires change colour at some junction before they reach the motor, so if you do it out in the door instead of by the switch, the colours would be violet and brown, marked 604 and 605) (same for both doors/sides)
#16: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:53 pm ---- Ok, cheers. I'll give it a go tomorrow and report back
#17: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Tue May 29, 2012 12:33 pm ---- f*****g hell, that was hard work!
But eventually worked so the window is up and new switch on the way.
Thanks for the help ppls.
#18: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:15 pm ---- So it was a faulty switch then?
#19: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:21 pm ---- Will see once I get the new switch. Motor defo works though.
#20: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:13 am ---- Got the new switch today and still nothing.
Any other ideas?
#21: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: mtempsch, Location: Gothenburg, SwedenPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:27 am ----
Necro wrote:
Got the new switch today and still nothing.
Any other ideas?
Did you test the motor out in the door or via the plug on the switch?
If in the door, the wiring between switch and motor is a suspect ( +feeds, see below). Repeat test via the plug.
If you test OK via the switch plug, that really only leaves the feed wires - check for +12V and proper ground connection on the 2 applicable wires in the plug...
#22: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:36 am ---- I tested the motor in the door. Tried it via the switch and got nothing (didn't have a clue where I was supposed to put the wires anyways tbh).
#23: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: mtempsch, Location: Gothenburg, SwedenPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 12:05 pm ----
Necro wrote:
I tested the motor in the door. Tried it via the switch and got nothing (didn't have a clue where I was supposed to put the wires anyways tbh).
OK, so it's either the wires between switch and motor or the supply feeds to the switch.
With a multimeter on 'Voltage' you can check for +12V on the brown wire on the plug on the switch (position 3A)
With the multimeter on 'Resistance' you can check for a low Ohm connection between the ground feed on pin 1A (yellow/green).
With the multimeter on 'Resistance' you can also check for a low Ohm connection between the violet and grey wires in terminals 3B & 4A (wire codes 609 and 608) to the motor's terminals in the door.
A final fault could be a high resistance fault on in the feed; this means that it will test fine with a meter and read a nice 12V when no/minimal current is flowing - but as you press the button and start to sending current to the motor, the high resistance causes the voltage to be dropped upstream instead of across the motor...
Typically due to a partially blown fuse or an otherwise poor connection.
#24: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 12:20 pm ---- Don't have a multimeter and don't have the knowledge to fix a wiring problem.
#25: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: mtempsch, Location: Gothenburg, SwedenPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:15 pm ----
Necro wrote:
Don't have a multimeter and don't have the knowledge to fix a wiring problem.
I'd be happy to help out, but I'm not exactly local...
Friend or relative w/ knowledge of the subject and a meter?
If not then I guess it's garage/shop time...
#26: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:08 pm ---- My dad might be of help but hes out the country til next week and I can't afford to put the car in the shop
#27: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: mtempsch, Location: Gothenburg, SwedenPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:31 pm ---- Just recalled from your original post that the problem exists for both windows, right?
That would be a strong indicator for a problem with the feed, not the wiring 'tween switch and door. And it was occasionally working which looks like a poor connection somewhere.
Something that you can do w/o a meter: If you haven't already, change the involved fuses for new ones - a fuse can be bad/iffy while still look OK on visual inspection...
#28: Re: Elec. windows no worky. Author: Necro, Location: BedfordshirePosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:45 pm ---- Ok, so the windows still don't work at all.
Just to recall, I've replaced the switch, tested the motor, changed the fuses, checked the relays and just today checked the current thru the wiring with a multi meter and there's current going to the switch and thru the wiring to the motor.
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