#1: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:53 am ---- Has anyone had a remap with 98 or 99 octane and compared it to having a remap whilst running normal fuel? woul like to know because I'll be getting my 180 remapped in a month or two but unsure whether to bother mapping it with 98 octane or not
#2: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 3:32 am ---- i did on mine but i use it anyway
woulnt make a difference really unles its highly tuned
#3: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:46 am ---- Iv been reading up and apparently the 180 (aswell as most other 206's) are mapped from the factory so they can run lower octane fuels in other countries, so I was think if I re mapped it to run on tesco 99 octane I could maybe get a little bit more power, seriously considering doing it now as an experiment , on a twingo 133 forum a guy had his twingo mapped with a new filter and exhaust running 95 octane, which then produced 139 bhp, the guy that remapped it for him said he wasn't happy with the results so he should fill it with 98 octane and come back free of charge for another go... He did just that and the end result was 144bhp after filling up with shell v power so that's 5 bhp more just from using high octane fuel !! He has graphs to prove it aswell
#4: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:00 am ---- The problem is with RR results like that are that there are so many variables that can affect the result..like if the air temp was cooler etc.
Most cars that are for the UK market are mapped to run on 95 as this is the most commonly sold petrol in the UK.
Personally when I had the pug I did run it on V-power because I had heard it kept your engine cleaner, how true that is i dont know.
#5: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:14 am ---- Well I'll map mine with 99 octane then if nobody on here has tried it maybe I could get the power pug claim the 180 has (174) haha
#6: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:31 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
Well I'll map mine with 99 octane then if nobody on here has tried it maybe I could get the power pug claim the 180 has (174) haha
I think this most people have their cars mapped to 99RON..could be wrong though.
#7: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:05 am ---- Mine was done using 99, but I use it any way with my Tesco points it works out same as normal price as normal fuel.
Only get yours mapped on 99 If you normally use 99. running 95 when it's mapped on 99 will make it less efficient.
#8: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:31 am ---- GTI180BOY has his cammed 180 mapped at rs tuning on v power made 195.5 bhp with other mods
#9: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:38 am ---- So do you think 180 could be achieved without cams ??
#10: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:41 am ---- I was told by RS tuning that they "should" have been able to make my 180 reach 180BHP with a map, I had a Janspeed exhaust, de-cat and k&n panel filter, it ran 171BHP with these mods.
#11: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:00 am ---- with a janspeed, k&n typhoon and rs tuning remap im sure he made 182BHP, drop him a PM im sure he will tell you, iirc he has had work done to the head too
#12: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:54 am ---- Iv dropped Kyle a message asking about what he used to get his power outputs , I'm thinking to get the full 180 bhp you need the car freshly serviced with new plugs etc and I also think chances are if the engine has say 60k + miles it'll have lost power
#13: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Dillon, Location: KentPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:21 am ---- The Twingo 133 that has a turbo? Turbo's love a drop of 99! In fact most will be tuned on that from factory.
#14: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:00 pm ---- also i asume if you had it mapped on 99 octane then used 95 octane it wouldnt matter other than you would loose the 5bhp (if that was the case) with a non turbo i think it will make no difference really maybe 2 bhp at the most,
on a side note if you get your car mapped on hi octane fuel then use normal fuel could it cause hesitation on morning starts ect pulling away in 1st after initial start of the day, mine has been but i put some hi octane in the other day and its been fine so far
#15: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:39 pm ---- Do standard ECU`s not self learn thru the lambda sesor and re-mapp to the fuel octane to a certain degree..... I know very little about the standard ECU but it makes sense if there is an lambda
#16: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:41 pm ---- It will just feel like it's holding back or just get it mapped on 95 then you won't ever have to worry about this haha
#17: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:44 pm ---- But I always get my fuel at tesco anyway, (99 octane) which gets my mum clubcard points , plus I think it would be a good little experiment
#18: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: JamieM, Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:00 pm ---- Sorry to be a bum hole... but why would it be a good little experiment lol?
I thought that's what people did anyway tbhwy.
Why would you chose to run lower octane fuel on the day of mapping if there was even the slightest chance it could affect the power output?
Anyway as said, yawnnnnnnn
Sooo many different variables that will effect the output. No two cars are the same ect ect ect.
The way people do it now days is get your car on an RR, mod it, use same RR and continue, if you're making power weyhhhheyyy if not bad times. But even that can be unreliable as the operator might want to make you happy and plus a few bhps ect.
What I usually do is run a full tank of V Power and have my cars mapped on it, seems to make a difference, although I don't get before RR's because realistically the figures going to be just a ballpoint. I'd be more worried about the difference you get in performance.
#19: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:06 pm ---- If you're getting a pre made file flashed onto your ECU, what mods you have and octane will make no difference as the map will be generic. If you're getting one where they upload a base map and tweak the fuelling and ignition timing to best suit your setup you'd want to get your moneys worth and stick the best grade of fuel in for the day
#20: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:22 pm ----
Andrewxps wrote:
If you're getting a pre made file flashed onto your ECU, what mods you have and octane will make no difference as the map will be generic. If you're getting one where they upload a base map and tweak the fuelling and ignition timing to best suit your setup you'd want to get your moneys worth and stick the best grade of fuel in for the day
V.good point made mate, it will only make a difference if you have a custom live map. But as yours hasent got internal mods I would say you don't need one.
#21: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:35 pm ---- What mods does the OP have?
Where are you getting it done? Even if you have good mods, there are not many tuners out there that are interested in custom mapping a n/a petrol, because loading pre made files onto turbo cars is easier and has bigger gains, so its hard to find a good tuner amoungst all the laptop flashers
#22: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:43 pm ---- I use northhampton motor sports yes it's a v.long way from Telford but you get what you pay for and that's were all the people I know who have track cars get thers set up.
#23: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:50 pm ---- Nice one, did you get yours mapped on regular or premium petrol?
#24: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:09 pm ---- It was done using Tesco 99 I stopped using v-power years ago as the rewards points didn't realy equate to much saving But Tesco give me clubcard points and 5p off a litre Any ways so it's all good lol
It won't do it any harm if you use a lower RON fule just won't be at it's full potential that's all,and for every day driving most people couldn't cearless about the RON aslong as it's cheap to fill up.
#25: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:30 am ---- Right well with all that said, I'm getting it mapped on tesco 99 to get my monies worth out of the re map, I didn't realise everybody ran higher octane when they went for a re map, and yeah I'll be getting rs tuning to do mine as iv heard they're alright and they're not to far from me , I'm fitting a janspeed exhaust before I get it remapped, already got K&N panel filter and I'll be giving it a damn good service before it goes to rs tuning obviously, so not a lot of mods planned but unsure what other mods to do on the 180 without spending big money, my budget is about 600 for extra mods but cant think of anything that I could get with that Money :-/
#26: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:33 am ---- Could add a sports cat (200cell) to your system that would help.
#27: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:38 am ---- I thought the 180 had a sports cat ?? If not then yeah I'd buy a sports cat
#28: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:11 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
I thought the 180 had a sports cat ?? If not then yeah I'd buy a sports cat
oem are 400 cell cat
#29: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:20 am ---- So a 200 cell would make a fair bit of difference ??
#30: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:25 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
So a 200 cell would make a fair bit of difference ??
no
#31: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:31 am ---- well what will for £600 I used to be into two stroke tuning and it was amazing what gains I could get using hand tools!! Haha not that easy on a car to be honest
#32: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:37 am ---- agree no difference with cats or de cats
#33: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:34 pm ----
Johnbyron wrote:
:lol: well what will for £600 I used to be into two stroke tuning and it was amazing what gains I could get using hand tools!! Haha not that easy on a car to be honest
Good old porting! doing the same at the moment!!
#34: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:07 pm ----
HDI90 wrote:
Johnbyron wrote:
:lol: well what will for £600 I used to be into two stroke tuning and it was amazing what gains I could get using hand tools!! Haha not that easy on a car to be honest
Good old porting! doing the same at the moment!!
Glad to hear old school porting hasnt died out yet , I managed to get my 50cc bultaco astro to sit comfortably at 76 mph got to the point where I'm playing with the idea of setting it up with a homemade electric turbo on a 32mm carb and other random bits iv got laying around haha No doubt it will go bang again :'-)
#35: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:17 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
HDI90 wrote:
Johnbyron wrote:
:lol: well what will for £600 I used to be into two stroke tuning and it was amazing what gains I could get using hand tools!! Haha not that easy on a car to be honest
Good old porting! doing the same at the moment!!
Glad to hear old school porting hasnt died out yet , I managed to get my 50cc bultaco astro to sit comfortably at 76 mph got to the point where I'm playing with the idea of setting it up with a homemade electric turbo on a 32mm carb and other random bits iv got laying around haha No doubt it will go bang again :'-)
just doing a 177cc 32 year old vespa should be fun when finished!
#36: Re: 98 or 99 octane Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:52 am ---- Ah the old Vespas haha not had much to do with them myself, scooter wise I only know my Lambretta's because my uncle builds them up as a hobbie, we fitted a 200gp engine in my cousins little 125 lambretta, still wasn't quick because of the aerodynamics tho, and he only used his for show anyway
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woul like to know because I'll be getting my 180 remapped in a month or two but unsure whether to bother mapping it with 98 octane or not
, on a twingo 133 forum a guy had his twingo mapped with a new filter and exhaust running 95 octane, which then produced 139 bhp, the guy that remapped it for him said he wasn't happy with the results so he should fill it with 98 octane and come back free of charge for another go... He did just that and the end result was 144bhp after filling up with shell v power so that's 5 bhp more just from using high octane fuel !! He has graphs to prove it aswell 
, plus I think it would be a good little experiment 
