#1: Gti180 BHP Author: JamieM, Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:50 am ---- Hey guys, quick question,
What's the least BHP people have had recorded for a 180/RC?
Reason I asked because I'm in a thread on another site titled 'Your favourite French performance hatches' I've stated mine as a 180 because it is, meh anyway...
Erm some one has posted
Quote::
The 206 gti 180 more often than not makes around 15x bhp.. "bags of s**t"
I don't think I've ever heard of a 180 in all my years on here make near 150, what's the average bhp they make? I always thought it ranged from, least 160-175.
#2: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:54 am ----
No7. John - 159bhp
#3: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: JamieM, Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:59 am ---- Is that the only 180 on the list?
So basically 160
#4: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:03 am ----
JamieM wrote:
Is that the only 180 on the list?
So basically 160
Yeah. Off the top of my head:
1. 206 1.6 XSi
2. My old Skoda Fabia vRS
3. Fiat Punto diesel something.
4. Golf GTi
5. Can't remember
6. Can't remember
7. GTi 180
8. 106 something, not GTi
#5: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: JamieM, Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:08 am ---- Cool thanks for posting that up.
#6: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:14 am ---- I like the fact is a bag of s**t because it doesnt make power...they dont even take into consideration weather or not its competative with other cars in its class etc lol
#7: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: JamieM, Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:24 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
I like the fact is a bag of s**t because it doesnt make power...they dont even take into consideration weather or not its competative with other cars in its class etc lol
Yep the guy is a forum knob anyway, never any credibility in what he posts. He's a forum fool type of guy, likes to be funny, which is good when you want funny just a shame he's able to comment in any thread he desires lol.
Turns out his post was based on one guy in his local area taking his brand new one to a "power station" and rolling 150 bhp.
He didn't like my response so hit me with this lol...
MiniGibbo;5985517 wrote:
A brand new lemon.. Doubt it.
The 206 is s**t, just face the fact you bought a s**t car.
My reply below,
Well brand new cars usually make full power at around 20k IIRC, so who knows eh. Either way clearly an isolated case.
And are you for real with what you drive? I'd sooner walk. I'd sooner drive my s**t 206 than a clapped out old BMW sprayed p**s yellow.
Just because you talk utter crap and can't back up your post don't take it out on me.
Still waiting for a reply, nope left the thread nawww
#8: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Lex206, Location: HollandPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:22 am ---- i think fast renaults make out less bhp as well as they supposed too?
only older vauxhalls put out more then they supposed too
#9: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:42 am ---- I was under the impression they were around 160-170
#10: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Andy180, Location: Stoke on TrentPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:20 pm ----
Quote::
i think fast renaults make out less bhp as well as they supposed too?
Correct some clio sports can run in the low 150's .
#11: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: crocdino, Location: LeedsPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:58 pm ---- Aye 172/182's around 160-165.. 197's in the 180's.
Crap!!!
#12: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:06 am ----
spike_202 wrote:
I was under the impression they were around 160-170
True.
From memory VAG cars exceed the quoted power output too.
#13: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: martinius88, Location: Rushden, NorthantsPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:30 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
spike_202 wrote:
I was under the impression they were around 160-170
True.
From memory VAG cars exceed the quoted power output too.
This is true, my Ibiza Cupra is about 225 from the books stated 156...but might have had a few alterations since it was built
From what I remember though from a specialist VAG garage the majority of the VAG cars have a higher output than quoted.
#14: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:38 am ---- But the RC are actually do run 180bhp don't they? It's just to bring it into our bulls**t emissions laws ect.
#15: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:40 am ----
spike_202 wrote:
But the RC are actually do run 180bhp don't they? It's just to bring it into our bulls**t emissions laws ect.
I have heard this too, I wonder what the difference is...pressume its mapping having said that though would a stock 180 get 180bhp if re-mapped?
People only just get 180bhp with exhausts etc.
#16: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:18 pm ---- Iirc that 205gti180 guy say he achieved a decent gain on his 180 engine with standalone management and a remap. I guess this would backup the point of UK 180's producing less to pass emissions.
#17: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:23 pm ---- True but an RC wouldn't have a standalone management system would it ?? But I definitely see where your coming from, emissions restrictions are a joke!!
#18: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:25 pm ---- nope it wouldn't indeed. But the mapping would be/probably is different
#19: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:31 pm ---- Agreed I think it would be a good idea if we had a topic listing all the 180's/RC's that have mods/no mods and have rolling road figures making it easier to compare all results
#20: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:22 pm ---- well my 180 has a janspeed and piper x panel filter and that was RR @ 177 at the flywheel done on a bloody hot day (one of the few) in march this yr.
we also ran 15 other cars and the rollers were pretty much spot on going by the numbers some had had on other rollers elsewhere.
#21: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:36 pm ---- Mine made 169.7 and 170.9 with just the Viper Induction kit on it. No car is the same tbh.
#22: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:39 pm ---- no your dead right there ali also air temps can make a big diffrence as can the rollers themselves
#23: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:43 pm ---- Yeah that's right but if we got a list made we could gather different rr results with certain mods and work out averages with them mods and also see which mods work best etc etc .
#24: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Lex206, Location: HollandPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:46 pm ---- very true,air temp.and different rollers make a huge difference.
i pulled out a 149bhp with my gti,only with sportex exhaust and viper induction kit.
had the intake right behind the bumper and full 'in'the blower..never expected 149..well think it was 148.9bhp
#25: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:46 pm ---- could be a plan fella i will try to get my other 180 on the rollers soon and see what that makes.
#26: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:48 pm ---- Think I'll put mine on the RR's at FCS I'm sure I saw something about there been one set up there, mines standard tho so should be interesting
#27: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:54 pm ---- well both mine got janspeeds on them but the red one got the filter aswell but both un mapped.
i'm never to keen on them mobile rollers never used one on a car but with my bikes they never seemed to give the same results as a static set ups.
#28: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:58 pm ---- Hmm well I might just leave it untill I get it remapped then , can you actually tell a difference with janspeed?? Or is it not noticeable apart from the sound ?
#29: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:24 pm ---- reddot roller always gave you lovely bhp
#30: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:14 am ---- My 180 made 171bhp with a Janspeed cat back, de-cat and pannel filter at RST a few years ago.
They thought with a map I would have seen 180bhp.
#31: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:25 am ---- So did you have a map rich???
#32: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:31 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
So did you have a map rich???
No, in reality for what I used the car for the power was fine, its the handling and braking I liked more
#33: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:38 am ---- Ah okay, thats not a bad result then to be honest, Iv got to admit my standard gti ( k and n panel filter) feels quicker than I thought it would, saying that I did jump straight from a 1.2 corsa c :'-) haha
#34: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:15 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
Ah okay, thats not a bad result then to be honest, Iv got to admit my standard gti ( k and n panel filter) feels quicker than I thought it would, saying that I did jump straight from a 1.2 corsa c :'-) haha
Yeah they tend to feel quick when you come from a 1.2 lol
Mine felt quick coming from an IS200.
#35: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:44 am ----
Seabook wrote:
reddot roller always gave you lovely bhp
#36: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:27 am ---- bhp figures are for children and dreamers its how the car drives on the road that makes the difference between a quick car and a slow one anyway.
anyone who is bickering about there car being way quicker because of a few bhp isnt worth wasting effort responding to in my opinion. all the well known hot hatches i.e. 206 180,clio 172,fiesta st etc get sniped at for not having the book figure, tbh it is the best figure the manufacturer gets in test conditions to boast and sell the car in the real world there are so many variables to how much bhp a car puts out its pointless iv known cars run as much as 10-15 bhp just on different rolling roads let alone air temperature, mods, condtion of engine, servicing standards etc
iv never had my 180 rolling roaded and have no intrest in doing so it puts a big cheesy grin on my face when im out blasting around the windy roads where i live so weather it has 160,170,180, 2000000 bhp doesnt bother me what so ever if you enjoy driving your car thats all that matters!!
#37: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:11 am ----
rttam wrote:
bhp figures are for children and dreamers its how the car drives on the road that makes the difference between a quick car and a slow one anyway.
anyone who is bickering about there car being way quicker because of a few bhp isnt worth wasting effort responding to in my opinion. all the well known hot hatches i.e. 206 180,clio 172,fiesta st etc get sniped at for not having the book figure, tbh it is the best figure the manufacturer gets in test conditions to boast and sell the car in the real world there are so many variables to how much bhp a car puts out its pointless iv known cars run as much as 10-15 bhp just on different rolling roads let alone air temperature, mods, condtion of engine, servicing standards etc
iv never had my 180 rolling roaded and have no intrest in doing so it puts a big cheesy grin on my face when im out blasting around the windy roads where i live so weather it has 160,170,180, 2000000 bhp doesnt bother me what so ever if you enjoy driving your car thats all that matters!!
The only reason I got mine RR'd is because it was cheap and it was an RR meet, under normal circumstances I wouldnt have done it, but lets not forget RR's are good for seeing if you have a healthy engine or not its not always for bragging rights.
#38: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:15 am ---- I had mine on a pretty reliable rr and got 177.49
#39: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:57 am ----
rttam wrote:
bhp figures are for children and dreamers its how the car drives on the road that makes the difference between a quick car and a slow one anyway.
anyone who is bickering about there car being way quicker because of a few bhp isnt worth wasting effort responding to in my opinion. all the well known hot hatches i.e. 206 180,clio 172,fiesta st etc get sniped at for not having the book figure, tbh it is the best figure the manufacturer gets in test conditions to boast and sell the car in the real world there are so many variables to how much bhp a car puts out its pointless iv known cars run as much as 10-15 bhp just on different rolling roads let alone air temperature, mods, condtion of engine, servicing standards etc
iv never had my 180 rolling roaded and have no intrest in doing so it puts a big cheesy grin on my face when im out blasting around the windy roads where i live so weather it has 160,170,180, 2000000 bhp doesnt bother me what so ever if you enjoy driving your car thats all that matters!!
You are right, but still power output figures as rich said can be used to show if an engine is running correctly (healthy engine). On a road car it really doesn't matter about a few bhp as you said.
#40: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:02 pm ----
Johnbyron wrote:
Hmm well I might just leave it untill I get it remapped then , can you actually tell a difference with janspeed?? Or is it not noticeable apart from the sound ?
no i'm not good enough to feel any diffrence mate
as said its not all about bhp its how the car feels, i had the red 180 and gave that to my daughter and got myself another scoob (55 plate prodrive). got bored of that in 5 mths and looked for another 180 found a newer and less milage one than the red one,but for some reson i just missed the red one so have given the newer one to daughter and got the red one back
no being a snob or show off but i have had 5 scoobs a evo 8 and 6,toyota st205 gt4,nissan pulsur and lots of other "fast" performance cars but for some reson the 180 is just more fun and more useable.
#41: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:19 pm ---- think I'm going to get a janspeed because my standard one is quite rusty in a couple of areas, anyway I can see what you mean about the 180 being fun and usable, to be honest I think for their money you can't beet them, and after owning all those cars over the years would you say that power isn't everything ?? iv just drove home from my girlfriends two villages away and gave it some throttle round the bends near my house and I tell you what, I don't care what power my mates cars have I know that when I turn into a bend round my area I can control what power i put down and not one of them corners can you use all the power of any sports cars with more than say 150bhp so that's why I love the 180, it's manageable and quick oh and stylish
#42: Re: Gti180 BHP Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:54 pm ---- well we are all diffrent but for me the 180 is about spot on for power,handling anymore more power and to me you need 4wd to make full use of it.But with more power comes bigger runing costs, ok i'm lucky if i really wanted too i can afford to run them but take my last scoob for example the front brakes are crap so as per normal i looked at a upgrade to a decent set of calipers and pads 1300 quid later they worked lol lol but for the 180 well under half the cost. Again the ins is less than half now the scoob was runing 261 bhp so pretty much standerd and tbh there really is'not much in terms of performance between the two yes the scoob had the edge but not by as much as you would think.
for a day to day fast (ish) fun run around it is hard to beat the 180's they are so cheap to buy and run, i mean i picked up the silver one on a 05 with 41k on it for 1500 quid ( ok did need exh and cambelt) but apart from a clio there is not alot of cheaper fun cars for that sort of cash about.
Yes loads of power is fun my first scoob was runing 453 at the wheels but downside was 14+k to get it there and to be reliable, 10-12 mpg on road and 4 mpg on track ins well over 1k with all mods declared
service every 4k.
I never thought i would leave the jap turbo cars but after getting the first 180 i just found that i could have as much fun with alot cheaper runing costs.
None of the jap stuff was old nasty knacked crap they were all nice clean cars pics of the last scoob in the "meet pics" section on here (chichester meet).
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I think it would be a good idea if we had a topic listing all the 180's/RC's that have mods/no mods and have rolling road figures making it easier to compare all results
