#1: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: poltn6, Location: SussexPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:17 pm ---- Hello all,
I have a problem with a 206 1.4 Quicksliver. It recently went in for a new clutch. On return it has difficulty engaging gears. It doesn't crunch, but it isn't easy to get the lever in to the correct position and engage the gear. It seems to be fine when stationary or at a low speed. for example, changing down from 3rd to 2nd. It doesn't want to go in. If you hold the gear lever where 2nd should be and slow the car right down, it will go in to gear when the speed is low enough.
The garage who changed the clutch say it is the linkages. These were working fine before we took it in though. I understand they had problems disconnecting the linkages.
I was previously thinking that this is the garages fault and that they should put it right, but they are not going to do so after speaking with them. I suppose things like this don't always go smoothly and I did not want to be doing the clutch change myself. They did offer to replace the linkages for the cost of the parts (no labour). Sound fair?
Anyway... I'm not convinced it is actually the linkages due to it only being an issue when moving. If it was the linkages, surely it would be difficult to engage gears even when stationary? If this is the case, the garage has buggered something else up.
The biting point doesn't seem too low so I think the clutch is fully disengaged when your foot is to the floor.
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Paul
#2: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:27 pm ---- i think could be gear oil.
ask them what oil do they put in
#3: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:25 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
i think could be gear oil.
ask them what oil do they put in
+1
#4: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: poltn6, Location: SussexPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:08 pm ---- Interesting... What oil should be in there?
I did notice it seemed to be too full so was wondering if that could cause it. I was replacing the wishbones today and removed the driveshaft, forgetting it is fed from the gearbox, so drained it out in to a container. Refilling via the plug it wouldn't take all of the oil that I had removed.
The only reference I have found so far is from Halfords, specifying 75w/90 GL-5 but I have no idea what the garage would have (over)filled it with.
Can the wrong oil cause these problems? Too viscous?
Cheers,
Paul
#5: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:42 am ---- 75/80 I think it is, I'll check the manual. If they filled it from the correct filling hole, it's impossible to overfilled, it would leak out as they put it in. Your be surprised the difference the wrong oil makes. It takes about 1.9 litres on my gti.
#6: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: poltn6, Location: SussexPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:55 am ---- Cheers Steve206, that'd be good.
I found a guide on refilling the gearbox online (http://206gti.net/gear-oil/). Fairly obvious filler hole under the passenger side wheel arch, behind the plastic liner.
I couldn't get all of the oil back in there so i'm not sure where they would have filled it from.
It definitely had a synthetic gearbox oil smell to it as I was wearing some in my hair! Last edited by poltn6 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:45 am; edited 1 time in total
#7: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:56 am ---- "Total BV 75W80" semi-synthetic only.
#8: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: poltn6, Location: SussexPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:45 am ----
V9977 wrote:
"Total BV 75W80" semi-synthetic only.
Cheers for that. I'll try and find out what the garage used.
#9: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:32 am ---- Synthetic gear oil + MA gearbox = problems
#10: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: poltn6, Location: SussexPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:56 am ---- Well, they say they put in 75/80 as per the manufacturers spec, but they had to go and check for me.
Do any of you think this sounds like a gear linkage problem?
It only happens when revs are up. Low speed / revs it seems fine to engage gears. I suppose the gearbox would move a bit when in use but I would have expected a dodgy linkage to feel the same when stationary / slow moving.
Cheers,
Paul
#11: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: Deckchair5, Location: Bath UKPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:49 am ---- It doesn't crunch, but it isn't easy to get the lever in to the correct position and engage the gear. It seems to be fine when stationary or at a low speed. for example, changing down from 3rd to 2nd. It doesn't want to go in. If you hold the gear lever where 2nd should be and slow the car right down, it will go in to gear when the speed is low enough.
That really sounds like the clutch is dragging ie not fully disengaged.
Is this a cable or hydraulic operated clutch?
#12: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: poltn6, Location: SussexPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:55 am ---- Hmmm, it does. I don't know actually. I assumed it was cable. It's my sisters car so I can't check right now. Do certain years / models use cable / hydraulic?
Either way, can it be adjusted?
I'm sure the garage are just talking crap. I would like them to put it right but all they want to do is replace the linkages.
Thanks,
Paul
#13: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:57 am ---- It will be a self adjusting clutch cable on a 1.4 petrol Quicksilver.
#14: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:34 am ---- There is an automatic adjuster built into the cable and they don't always work so you could try the forced clutch adjustment trick.
Press the clutch pedal to the floor.
Slip your foot sideways off the clutch pedal and let if "fly" back.
Be careful it doesn't hit you in the leg as it will shoot up with some force. Not enough to really hurt but uncomfortable!
This sometimes makes a sticking self adjusting mechanism work.
It may take two or three attempts or it may not make any difference.
If this doesn't work take it back and show them what is happening - it is not right and they should fix it.
#15: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:40 am ---- Just a thought - if the old clutch was worn then the automatic cable adjuster will have slowly taken up that wear by automatically adusting itself. (I know what I mean but does this make sense?)
How do you reset the adjuster to take into account the fact that you now have a new, unworn clutch? Do you have to fit a new cable or can the adjuster on the existing cable be manually reset?
#16: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: Deckchair5, Location: Bath UKPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:41 am ---- That's the point. If it is a new style clutch cable then the cable should be replaced at the same time as a clutch change. It's a one time fit item and can't be manually reset.
Older style cables you could do all sorts of stuff to but not the new ones
#17: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: poltn6, Location: SussexPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:55 am ---- Right, i'll try the above. Thanks for that. I doubt the garage replaced the clutch cable.
And to check for the clutch dragging, presumably all I need to do is jack up the front, car in gear, clutch down with engine running... The wheels should not be moving at all, correct? Is that a fair test would you say?
Cheers
#18: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:56 am ---- Bit tricky to prove or disprove a slightly dragging clutch. Your method above won't prove much as there is often enough oil drag to make the wheels rotate even when the clutch is pressed.
If the forced adjustment doesn't work take it back. To be honest unless you have been through deep water a visual check of the cable should be enough to see if it is shiny and new or if it is dirty and old.
#19: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: Deckchair5, Location: Bath UKPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:10 am ---- If the clutch is dragging then usually reverse gear will be a bit spectacular with it either not wanting to go in or it clunks into gear (more than usual, ha!) with the car immediately trying to move
If you haven't got a problem with reverse selection then it's most likely not clutch dragging and will be more of actual gear selection so gearbox oil type or linkages as others have said
#20: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: 2judge1, Location: milton keynesPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:46 am ---- I had a similar problem, just all of a sudden i couldnt select any gears but when i turned the car off then I was able to select any gear, i tried starting the car with 1st gear selected while clutch was pressed to see if car jumped forward but it didnt which is a good sign. Next while the car was switched off i done that clutch force trick mentioned earlier where you press the clutch in and slide your foot sideways off so pedal flys back up which to my amazement worked thank god!
#21: Re: Difficulty selecting gears since clutch change Author: chuckstar34, Location: London/Worcester/ GrimsbyPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:25 pm ---- From My experiance with the other halfs car, she has a 14 lx. She took it in to a local guy near her parents after the clutch collapsed and it came back with the same probably. I gave it to my Bro nd he said it was the link arms damaged because the guys swilvelled the box out of the way and didnt disconnect the arms and bent them a bit. He said he s had guys at his place do the same thing and they learn very quckly not to do it again. I recon a new set of arms will sort it.
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