Did I say I know everything macca, if I knew everything why would I have asked about them in the first place ?? I'm 19 so I've got a lot of learning to do but when somebody tells me something I want some evidence to back it up Knowledge and wisdom only comes to those who ask questions !!
#33: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:25 pm ---- Oh and macca that pic you posted basically says you think that you know everything ..... Just saying haha
#34: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:29 pm ---- I will just kindly point out the days of NGK spark plug failures is LONG gone
FFS even the master techs fit them to side jobs, and i will be running iridiums in my 1.4 turbo
You have just as high a chance as shorting your ECU out through changing the battery, or getting your p***s stuck in the actual battery terminal
I will just kindly point out the days of NGK spark plug failures is LONG gone
FFS even the master techs fit them to side jobs, and i will be running iridiums in my 1.4 turbo
You have just as high a chance as shorting your ECU out through changing the battery, or getting your p***s stuck in the actual battery terminal
s**t can happen.
Well said addaz !!
#36: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:36 pm ---- If I thought I knew everything, then I wouldn't know everything.
I know one thing, people on here have forgotten more than you will ever know. Listen to what they tell you. They don't spend the time and effort typing replies to have to justify where their knowledge comes from. Use the free wifi while you're parked in McDonalds car park to use Google and check on their answers. If you find something that contradicts what they say, then reply with a valid argument.
No one is going to give you crap advice in the hope you wreck your car, you're 19 so you will manage that by yourself. Listen and learn, you will gain more knowledge by taking advice than questioning it.
I will just kindly point out the days of NGK spark plug failures is LONG gone
FFS even the master techs fit them to side jobs, and i will be running iridiums in my 1.4 turbo
You have just as high a chance as shorting your ECU out through changing the battery, or getting your p***s stuck in the actual battery terminal
s**t can happen.
Well said addaz !!
Anytime, just not during beer time
Question though you mentioned some about 6,7 or 8's? This is the heat range, be very careful when altering it
#38: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: swaynie, Location: United KingdomPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:33 pm ---- just to mix things up Bosch plugs are pants I never use them. In my old scooby, M3 and my coupe 16vt its always been NGK ftw and even my rs125 track bike uses NGK and my cbr600 I find bosch to be slow to respond and the super 4 plug is a placebo, the normal plain super plug will do just fine but for high performance you need NGK.
Has no one tried Denso plugs?
Heat range Bosch say 7 NGK 6.
#39: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:11 am ----
macca1411 wrote:
If I thought I knew everything, then I wouldn't know everything.
I know one thing, people on here have forgotten more than you will ever know. Listen to what they tell you. They don't spend the time and effort typing replies to have to justify where their knowledge comes from. Use the free wifi while you're parked in McDonalds car park to use Google and check on their answers. If you find something that contradicts what they say, then reply with a valid argument.
No one is going to give you crap advice in the hope you wreck your car, you're 19 so you will manage that by yourself. Listen and learn, you will gain more knowledge by taking advice than questioning it.
People on here will know a lot of stuff that's why I ask things!! I don't question them all the time it just seems like on this subject it's a bit of a myth and ngk's havnt been proven to be any better than bosch and you may think I'm some 19 old Chav that sits in mc Donalds car park but the truth is I'm an apprentice mechanical engineer currently studying HNC/HND in mechanical engineering and I'll be moving on to do my finall degree in mechanical engineering in another two years, so if you think you can teach me more about technical mechanical workings than a number of lecturers plus all the engineers I work with then fair enough that's you thoughts but please don't try and big yourself up to me, I work with the best in my profession that's who I'll not question.
#40: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:17 am ----
Addaz wrote:
Johnbyron wrote:
Addaz wrote:
I will just kindly point out the days of NGK spark plug failures is LONG gone
FFS even the master techs fit them to side jobs, and i will be running iridiums in my 1.4 turbo
You have just as high a chance as shorting your ECU out through changing the battery, or getting your p***s stuck in the actual battery terminal
s**t can happen.
Well said addaz !!
Anytime, just not during beer time
Question though you mentioned some about 6,7 or 8's? This is the heat range, be very careful when altering it
Yeah :-/ that's why I didn't buy the Bosch super fours from halfords because 5 seemed a bit low and NGK had recommended 6 so I got the NGK because I trust them but I thought id ask about it just incase
#41: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:22 am ----
swaynie wrote:
just to mix things up Bosch plugs are pants I never use them. In my old scooby, M3 and my coupe 16vt its always been NGK ftw and even my rs125 track bike uses NGK and my cbr600 I find bosch to be slow to respond and the super 4 plug is a placebo, the normal plain super plug will do just fine but for high performance you need NGK.
Has no one tried Denso plugs?
Heat range Bosch say 7 NGK 6.
I had exactly the same thing with a few of my 2strokes, at cadwel park the lads use NGK 90% of the time.
I never tried denso plugs but my uncle uses them in some of his bike but mainly he sticks with NGK partially due to supply he says they're just as good and hasn't had problems.
#42: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:31 am ---- All modern spark-plugs include an anti-parasitic resistor in series with the center electrode.
It is this resistor (not tightly specified by manufacturers) which can sometimes cause havoc
with NGK plugs and pug coilpacks / ECU. There have been numerous Info-flash issued
by Peugeot themselves about this and is deffo not a myth.
It is also deadly important to fit the part-code explicitly specified by the plug manufacturer for your engine.
Not enough to compare heat-range, thread size and length.
NGK are OEM λ-probes for the 206 so no-one is dissing the brand.
Imo if you ask on here, you will get people's advice/past experience even if you choose to
bear it in-mind, but actually ignore it. Otherwise why ask?
P.S. Anyone ever wondered why there is only 4 wires going to the coil-pack,
when 1 wire is earth but there is 4 spark-plugs?
#43: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:17 am ----
V9977 wrote:
All modern spark-plugs include an anti-parasitic resistor in series with the center electrode.
It is this resistor (not tightly specified by manufacturers) which can sometimes cause havoc
with NGK plugs and pug coilpacks / ECU. There have been numerous Info-flash issued
by Peugeot themselves about this and is deffo not a myth.
It is also deadly important to fit the part-code explicitly specified by the plug manufacturer for your engine.
Not enough to compare heat-range, thread size and length.
NGK are OEM λ-probes for the 206 so no-one is dissing the brand.
Imo if you ask on here, you will get people's advice/past experience even if you choose to
bear it in-mind, but actually ignore it. Otherwise why ask?
P.S. Anyone ever wondered why there is only 4 wires going to the coil-pack,
when 1 wire is earth but there is 4 spark-plugs?
Thank you for coming up with some explanation that all I wanted why should I just believe somebody that just puts 206+NGK=faults or whatever?? I wanted information on why not for somebody just to say NGK don't mix with 206 because when you put it like that it just sounds stupid and I'd be stupid to listen to it without information On why
#44: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:27 am ---- If only all those threads were around from 3-4years ago...
Iirc, it was a Peugeot 'Technical update thingy', sent to all dealerships/approved garages etc. that Bosch plugs should only be used.
Btw: Just because someone is a lecturer it doesn't mean that they are 'the best' in the field/business. Plus I'm sure a few more on here know more about specific 206 issues than some of your lecturers.
#45: Re: NGK vs Bosch spark plugs Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:41 am ---- Yes Tom I wish try were two because I like to read up on why things are how they are, and fair enough about the lecturers but what about the engineers on the steelwork where I am they all have their papers and the majority have around 35+ years experience in mechanical engineering and you can't just put it down to magic the fact the 206's don't run well on NGK there must be logic
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