#1: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:55 pm ---- Had my MOT test today and I received a advisory note from the tester saying 'Nearside front suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint [2.4.G.2]
which parts do i Need to replace?
#2: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: pazza, Location: west midsPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:58 pm ---- the lower arm needs changing mate
#3: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:32 pm ---- It doesn't need changing. Change it when it starts to knock.
Even try just nipping up the nut and bolt that holds it in place, usually works for something like that.
#5: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: pug206lx, Location: Taking a gearbox off somewherePosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:30 pm ---- strangely from that photo i dont see any gearbox oil
#6: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:52 am ---- Worst case is the photo above but if you don't suffer from that (it is rare but does happen) if you wait until it is knocking then you are well on the way to having worn out your front tyres because the wheel is not held true.
I suspect the new tyre in the photo was fitted for that very reason. Poor tyre company that didn't spot the wear in the bottom ball joint.
#7: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:16 am ---- So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
In the same boat as yourself, (on my thread) brand new for both sides £70, parts store i deal with, then got a garage to fit them for £40.
#10: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:38 am ---- I would deal with any advisory straight away. Get some decent branded wishbones from euro car parts. Take advantage of any discount codes too.
#11: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: SinfulDesignCom, Location: Ashford, KentPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:51 am ----
Edward wrote:
I would deal with any advisory straight away. Get some decent branded wishbones from euro car parts. Take advantage of any discount codes too.
Agree totally. Cheap wishbones are simply not worth it. A slight weakness in the mould and the cast will break very easily.
Don't buy OEM from Peugeot as they will be re-branded just with a higher price. I recommend Lemforder if you can manage the price tag.
#12: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:13 am ----
Lecktorious wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
Change either or. Same thing just a different name. Make sure you change them in pairs and get your tracking adjusted afterwards.
Ok so lower arm and wishbone are both the same thing?
When you say pair I have to replace both at the front 2 wheels even though the problem is at one. Why is that?
#13: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: Mr-Tigger, Location: EssexPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:00 pm ---- otherwise you end up with lop-sided feel/baance to the car with one side new and firm the other with play due to normal wear for a start and as they affect steering/tracking its best to have both sides on an equal playing field
#14: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:36 pm ---- The other side shouldn't have play because it would have failed the MOT too. Always a good idea to change things in pairs though.
#15: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:47 pm ----
Lecktorious wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
Change either or. Same thing just a different name. Make sure you change them in pairs and get your tracking adjusted afterwards.
When you say change them in pairs you mean get both wishbones replaced at the front 2 wheels? Why is that when the problem is at 1 wheel?
#16: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:49 pm ----
DREWDEN wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
In the same boat as yourself, (on my thread) brand new for both sides £70, parts store i deal with, then got a garage to fit them for £40.
Did the garage also included the tracking for £40?
#17: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: SinfulDesignCom, Location: Ashford, KentPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:34 pm ----
very_452001 wrote:
Lecktorious wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
Change either or. Same thing just a different name. Make sure you change them in pairs and get your tracking adjusted afterwards.
When you say change them in pairs you mean get both wishbones replaced at the front 2 wheels? Why is that when the problem is at 1 wheel?
They are referring to the bushes in the wishbones, rather than the wishbone itself. Unfortunately, you cannot easily and practically change the bushes close to the cost of replacing a wishbone (which comes complete with bushes). The ball joint does not come separately either and must come complete with wishbone.
To exaggerate a point for means of comprehension, by changing only one wishbone, your car will handle better one side than another, thus causing uncertainty when driving.
However, for people who *ahem* stick to speed limits and take corners painfully slow, its not really a problem to change just the one in my opinion. If it was THAT dangerous, they would insist for this in the advisory.
#18: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:42 pm ----
SinfulDesignCom wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
Lecktorious wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
Change either or. Same thing just a different name. Make sure you change them in pairs and get your tracking adjusted afterwards.
When you say change them in pairs you mean get both wishbones replaced at the front 2 wheels? Why is that when the problem is at 1 wheel?
They are referring to the bushes in the wishbones, rather than the wishbone itself. Unfortunately, you cannot easily and practically change the bushes close to the cost of replacing a wishbone (which comes complete with bushes). The ball joint does not come separately either and must come complete with wishbone.
To exaggerate a point for means of comprehension, by changing only one wishbone, your car will handle better one side than another, thus causing uncertainty when driving.
However, for people who *ahem* stick to speed limits and take corners painfully slow, its not really a problem to change just the one in my opinion. If it was THAT dangerous, they would insist for this in the advisory.
Ok what you mean is that changing wishbone on my left side will make left turns handle better than right turns if I don't get both wishbones replaced? If I only get my left wishbone replaced then will it affect driving in straight line?
Does replacing wishbone upset existing tracking setting that's why tracking is done after wishbone replacement?
The ball joint comes with wishbone as standard however I don't see the ball in the pics at the online car part shops?
#19: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: SinfulDesignCom, Location: Ashford, KentPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:32 pm ---- You are along the right lines, but a better left wishbone will improve right cornering as the weight distribution to thrown to the opposite side... but I'm nit picking - you get the idea.
To labour the point, weaker bushes on one side will affect everything, including braking and acceleration, but your driving style will dictate whether you would notice it or not. Just imagine you had some poor git under your engine holding the wheels to the car...one in each hand.. the equivalency to your conundrum would be to say he had a tighter grip on one side than the other - if that helps you visualise the issue better.
Tracking should always be carried out after wishbone replacement.
You cannot separate the ball joint from the wishbone at all. They are pressed in when fabricated. If you get one without the ball joint you have got the wrong wishbone
#20: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:35 pm ----
SinfulDesignCom wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
Lecktorious wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
Change either or. Same thing just a different name. Make sure you change them in pairs and get your tracking adjusted afterwards.
When you say change them in pairs you mean get both wishbones replaced at the front 2 wheels? Why is that when the problem is at 1 wheel?
They are referring to the bushes in the wishbones, rather than the wishbone itself. Unfortunately, you cannot easily and practically change the bushes close to the cost of replacing a wishbone (which comes complete with bushes). The ball joint does not come separately either and must come complete with wishbone.
To exaggerate a point for means of comprehension, by changing only one wishbone, your car will handle better one side than another, thus causing uncertainty when driving.
However, for people who *ahem* stick to speed limits and take corners painfully slow, its not really a problem to change just the one in my opinion. If it was THAT dangerous, they would insist for this in the advisory.
thanks for the advice. I shall get my wishbone replaced asap. Lets hope the potholes don't cause me to replace again
#21: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:40 pm ---- After wishbones, as stated elsewhere, get tracking done. Better still 4 wheel alignment. the rear isn't adjustable but four wheel alignment kit is more accurate than standard 2 wheel and you will only pay for the wheels that are adjusted so it shouldn't cost any more.
#22: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:00 pm ----
very_452001 wrote:
DREWDEN wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
So should I change the lower arm or wishbone or both?
How much does a typical garage charge for the job so I know if I get ripped off once I receive a quote?
In the same boat as yourself, (on my thread) brand new for both sides £70, parts store i deal with, then got a garage to fit them for £40.
Did the garage also included the tracking for £40?
That cost is without tracking, if you read my latest post i have decided now that changing my wishbones is not necessary, even though one garage said i had slight play in my o/s one.
If you end up changeing them, drive the car round for a few days, if you have no steering problems and no uneven tyre wear on the front, in my opinion you would not need tracking doing.
#23: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:31 pm ---- National Tyres do tracking for £15 these days with the discount voucher on the internet.
#24: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 9:30 am ---- I ordered the wishbone from euro car parts and awaiting delivery. Anyone from birmingham can fit them on for me? Im willing to travel local to get it fitted.
Im willing to pay VAT garage prices if a VAT receipt and warranty is provided otherwise supply me a reasonable quote and I see.
Thanks,
#25: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 1:39 pm ---- update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying?
#26: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: kit325, Location: LondonPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 1:18 am ----
very_452001 wrote:
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying?
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools: 16mm spanner rubber mallet or hammer Socket set tape measure basic DIY skill
Guide as below: www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck!
#27: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 4:31 am ----
kit325 wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying?
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools: 16mm spanner rubber mallet or hammer Socket set tape measure basic DIY skill
Guide as below: www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck!
Ok you suggest that i keep my old tie rods and just change the track rods? I take it that I wont need a measuring tape in that guide cause I be getting tracking done by the garage?
Are cheap track rods reliable or shall i get them from euro car parts?
#28: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: kit325, Location: LondonPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:36 am ----
very_452001 wrote:
kit325 wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying?
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools: 16mm spanner rubber mallet or hammer Socket set tape measure basic DIY skill
Guide as below: www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck!
Ok you suggest that i keep my old tie rods and just change the track rods? I take it that I wont need a measuring tape in that guide cause I be getting tracking done by the garage?
Are cheap track rods reliable or shall i get them from euro car parts?
Normally will be the ball joint at the track rod end that wears out (moving part). Tie rod will be the component link to your steering rack from track rod end and it is just a simple piece of metal (no moving ball joint) hence lower chance of wear out or damage.
Lemford (OEM quality, and just a few pounds more than standard one) will be the brand i recommend you to buy as cheap ones won't last long. Do it right and you will not have to change it again for years to come.
As for tape measure, it will help you to keep your wheel alignment as close to original as it can be after you changed the track rod end. Just a little bit more effort and at least you sure you will be safe to drive it before the wheel alignment.
If you are not confident to do it , leave it to the garage. Since you know how long it takes and how much for the parts, you at least won't be rip off by them.
#29: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 4:43 pm ----
kit325 wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
kit325 wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying?
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools: 16mm spanner rubber mallet or hammer Socket set tape measure basic DIY skill
Guide as below: www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck!
Ok you suggest that i keep my old tie rods and just change the track rods? I take it that I wont need a measuring tape in that guide cause I be getting tracking done by the garage?
Are cheap track rods reliable or shall i get them from euro car parts?
Normally will be the ball joint at the track rod end that wears out (moving part). Tie rod will be the component link to your steering rack from track rod end and it is just a simple piece of metal (no moving ball joint) hence lower chance of wear out or damage.
Lemford (OEM quality, and just a few pounds more than standard one) will be the brand i recommend you to buy as cheap ones won't last long. Do it right and you will not have to change it again for years to come.
As for tape measure, it will help you to keep your wheel alignment as close to original as it can be after you changed the track rod end. Just a little bit more effort and at least you sure you will be safe to drive it before the wheel alignment.
If you are not confident to do it , leave it to the garage. Since you know how long it takes and how much for the parts, you at least won't be rip off by them.
what about other brands on euro car parts website instead of Lemforder? Are they better quality than the cheap ebay ones or the same?
#30: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: kit325, Location: LondonPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 5:36 pm ---- Ocap seems like decent brand:
14.62 pounds for the pair after discount code (spring 30)
Lemforder
24.78 per pair after discount
#31: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 6:00 am ----
kit325 wrote:
very_452001 wrote:
update:
manage to get my wishbone replaced at a local garage. After the job was finished the mechanic said that I have a problem with my track/tie rods on both sides and he suggest to replace them.
If I ignore his advise what can faulty track/tie rods do to my car? What are the symptom's of faulty track/tie rods? I googled the symptoms and get back 'shimmying'. What is shimmying?
Knocking noise traveling low speed on bumpy road (stone paving), it can effect your wheel alignment (uneven tires wear).
Since you have your wishbones done already and you will need to book for wheel alignment anyway. You might just bite the bullet and replace the track rod end (about 10 pounds for each side) before you do the wheel alignment.
Is a 15 minutes job each side, you will need the following tools: 16mm spanner rubber mallet or hammer Socket set tape measure basic DIY skill
Guide as below: www.206info.co.uk/Foru...t=183.html
Or if don't have one of the above, just pay someone to do it. Good luck!
My MOT is in a couple of months. Can I fail a MOT with faulty Track Rods? If I pass MOT without changing my track rods then that means my Mechanic was lying right just to make more money out of me? Because I was suspicious when he said both Track rods including tie rods on the both sides needs replacing even though I had a faulty wishbone on the left side only so I would expect only the left track rod should be playing about that was effected by the faulty wishbone.
Whats the easiest way for me visually to diagnose a faulty track rod without involving tools?
Any advice?
Or shall I order a track rod for the left side just to be on the safe side?
#32: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: kit325, Location: LondonPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 11:28 am ---- You will fail your MOT if your car have faulty track rod end.
Another way to check is to jack up the car, hold the tyre at 3 and 9 o'clock, turn wheel left and right quickly and listen closely for any ununsual noice (knocking sound).
#33: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: very_452001, Location: BirminghamPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:31 pm ----
kit325 wrote:
You will fail your MOT if your car have faulty track rod end.
Another way to check is to jack up the car, hold the tyre at 3 and 9 o'clock, turn wheel left and right quickly and listen closely for any ununsual noice (knocking sound).
sorry for being a newb but do you mean rotate the wheel or push the wheel?
#34: Re: Mot advisory note regarding suspension? Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:35 am ---- Yes, you will fail an MOT with a faulty track rod - it is an essential safety part of your car and if it failed completely you will not be able to steer and the wheels will end up facing opposite directions.
You will also quickly wear tyres until it is fixed so, if only for the finances, get it fixed ASAP.
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and as they affect steering/tracking its best to have both sides on an equal playing field
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