#1: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:22 pm ---- i have 2 180's and one of then kicks very hard when the vvt kicks in,the other one yes you can feel it working but just does not kick so strong.
i have swapped the vvt valve between the 2 cars and still the same,so i am trying to work out if the first car has be remapped in the past or if the second car has other faults.
so could you tell me how hard yours kick in, hard to do i know but first one is like a mini turbo but second is much softer.
#2: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:26 pm ---- VVT does not kick in. It's constantly moving, it doesnt suddenly change. You'll just be hitting the torque peak which is where it will start to pull stronger.
#3: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:38 pm ---- Yeh as Edward said VVT is progressive not instantatious power
#4: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:40 pm ---- ah ok as said on 1 car its real strong on other just feels weaker in fact on the first car it feels like a honda vtec system when it come on song. also just to add that when the 1st one was RR'd it came out at 177 bhp which is another reason as to why i think it may have been mapped in the past.
#5: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:44 pm ----
NICKST wrote:
Edward wrote:
VVT does not kick in. It's constantly moving, it doesnt suddenly change. You'll just be hitting the torque peak which is where it will start to pull stronger.
I have driven a few and owned one they are differences only slight tho are they both same spec mods service parts ect ect.
yes pretty much the same both got janspeeds fitted both got piperx panal fillters the quick one is 04 other is 05 both within 10k of each other
#6: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:49 pm ---- VVT and VTEC on a honda are different systems
#7: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:49 pm ---- Mine was a bad One only 167bhp before remap and 172 after they don't seem to be consistent.
#8: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:51 pm ----
Lee wrote:
VVT and VTEC on a honda are different systems
yes i am understanding that part thanks lee it was the only way i can describe what it feels like when it comes on song lol
#9: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:52 pm ----
NICKST wrote:
Mine was a bad One only 167bhp before remap and 172 after they don't seem to be consistent.
yeah i know from reading on here that they can seem to vary alot between cars but these are so very diffrent lol lol
#10: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:57 pm ---- One off them might have a map on it then or one isn't running right.
#11: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:59 pm ---- You could Proberly pay some one to check. I would strip them down sensors plugs ect ect and see if any are really dirty worn or differnt.
#12: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:09 pm ---- both had new plugs (yes bosch ones lol) both just had full service inc cambelts waterpumps ect both had new clutchs both just had new rubber fitted lol lol gets bloody expencive owning them. it does'not overly worry me as i got the fast one daughter has the other one it was more of do you all recon it has been mapped because of the big diffrences
#13: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:19 pm ---- Well if there identical then I would put it down to one haveing a map lol
#14: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: Barking, Location: sarcasm-in-shedloadsPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:22 pm ---- I remember someone saying that their 03-plate and my 54-plate engines were different because one had a floating crank.
If that's true, would it make a difference?
#15: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:26 pm ---- think i'm just gonna have to put the second one on a rr and see just how much diffrence there is. or try to find out a way to see if the ecu's can be read to see if one's been mapped.
#16: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:26 pm ---- It's just the way the crank pulley is held onto the crank. Wont impact power output at all.
#17: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:39 pm ---- All gti 180s have a floating crank. It's the same on stoc owners club we went on a rr day when i first got my st and one focus st's come in at 197bhp and there is one guy with a totally standerd car pushing 258 bhp on the same rollers mine was 236 standerd with v power no engine is the same I'm running stage 3 mods on mine now which Dreamscience say is 285bhp but mine has been dyno proven over 300bhp on 4 differnt rolling roads lowest being 312bhp highest 328bhp.
#18: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:37 pm ----
broadblaster wrote:
i have 2 180's and one of then kicks very hard when the vvt kicks in,the other one yes you can feel it working but just does not kick so strong.
i have swapped the vvt valve between the 2 cars and still the same,so i am trying to work out if the first car has be remapped in the past or if the second car has other faults.
Are both cars running the same engine ecu software package?
i have 2 180's and one of then kicks very hard when the vvt kicks in,the other one yes you can feel it working but just does not kick so strong.
i have swapped the vvt valve between the 2 cars and still the same,so i am trying to work out if the first car has be remapped in the past or if the second car has other faults.
so could you tell me how hard yours kick in, hard to do i know but first one is like a mini turbo but second is much softer.
i think i really need to post this
#20: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:41 am ---- Haha seaBook you legend
#21: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:58 am ----
NICKST wrote:
All gti 180s have a floating crank.
The earlier ones don't.
#22: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:09 am ---- My 2003 one did that's the earliest they were made wasn't it.
#23: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:00 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
broadblaster wrote:
i have 2 180's and one of then kicks very hard when the vvt kicks in,the other one yes you can feel it working but just does not kick so strong.
i have swapped the vvt valve between the 2 cars and still the same,so i am trying to work out if the first car has be remapped in the past or if the second car has other faults.
Are both cars running the same engine ecu software package?
Are they running the same spec engine oil?
yep same oil in both but really not sure on the software tbh i supose if i was to get stealers to read the software they may be able to shed some light on it.
#24: Re: Q for 180 owners please Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:01 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
broadblaster wrote:
i have 2 180's and one of then kicks very hard when the vvt kicks in,the other one yes you can feel it working but just does not kick so strong.
i have swapped the vvt valve between the 2 cars and still the same,so i am trying to work out if the first car has be remapped in the past or if the second car has other faults.
so could you tell me how hard yours kick in, hard to do i know but first one is like a mini turbo but second is much softer.
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