#1: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:56 pm ---- My Peugeot 206 2003 is having a hard time downshifting it feels as if I am braking, and also it is hesitating in some gears.
I have changed my three engine / gear mountings (one right one left and one big down).
What could be the problem?
Thanks
#2: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:57 am ---- auto? manual?
#3: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:37 am ---- When did you last get your gearbox oil replaced?
#4: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:52 am ---- My car is automatic gearbox, and no I didnt change gear oil, I just got it one month ago. But I did go to a famous service shop and they said that we cant change oil of the gear box it shoud be done only in the dealer shop. Is changing gear oil simple? That i can do it my self? Is that a known fact for my gearboxb behaviour
#5: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:49 am ---- The issue is, the auto gearbox ECU keeps track of the condition of the oil in a basic way, by counting the number of starts the car does, and the number of miles or time it runs (can't remember which). When you top it up, you're supposed to connect a computer to the auto ECU and tell it that you've done that, so it knows some new oil has gone in, and keeps track of the quality of the oil properly. So if you were to completely drain and refill it, you'd need to do this. The worst that could happen if you don't, though, is the computer would erroneously think the oil's 'worn out' and flash the sport and winter mode lights on the dash to indicate as such.
#6: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:55 am ---- not every garage know how to deal with AL4 box.
go to auto gearbox specialist to deal with it.
ideally you need LT 71141 oil (need to keep changing oil a few times in order to renew all the oil ) and peugeot planet to do the oil change.
and most likely you might have to change the solenoid (s) or gear switch
#7: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:22 am ---- The AL4 box is a load of w**k, why people dont do some research BEFORE buying a PSA car with it fitted ill never know
Wouldnt touch an AL4 with a barge pole.
#8: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:25 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
The AL4 box is a load of w**k, why people dont do some research BEFORE buying a PSA car with it fitted ill never know
Wouldnt touch an AL4 with a barge pole.
What do you do if you need an auto box, and want a 206?
#9: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:28 am ----
paul_c wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
The AL4 box is a load of w**k, why people dont do some research BEFORE buying a PSA car with it fitted ill never know
Wouldnt touch an AL4 with a barge pole.
What do you do if you need an auto box, and want a 206?
Autobox & 206 just isnt worth the trouble.
Nobody really wants a 206, there just a small cheap to run car that is average to drive.
#10: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:30 am ---- What else similar size car (with auto box) do you recommend then? I have searched and searched, can't find another with similar power (110bhp) and auto.
#11: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:34 am ----
paul_c wrote:
What else similar size car (with auto box) do you recommend then?
Do some research, internet is a wonderful tool.
#12: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:35 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
paul_c wrote:
What else similar size car (with auto box) do you recommend then?
Do some research, internet is a wonderful tool.
I did, and found nothing. I'd not be asking if I already knew.....
#13: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:40 am ---- micra and yaris auto box are pretty decent
#14: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:47 am ----
Seabook wrote:
micra and yaris auto box are pretty decent
Just watch the Jap lack of rustproofing on the body.
#15: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:50 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Seabook wrote:
micra and yaris auto box are pretty decent
Just watch the Jap lack of rustproofing on the body.
i know my frds yaris is so rusty that even part of the sump is corroded away
#16: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:54 am ----
Seabook wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
Seabook wrote:
micra and yaris auto box are pretty decent
Just watch the Jap lack of rustproofing on the body.
i know my frds yaris is so rusty that even part of the sump is corroded away
Normally the Japs throw there cars away around 7 years old due to the very strict mot rules over there.
#17: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:34 pm ---- Thought I thank everyone who replied in this thread, I really feel disappointed because of the replies that my gearbox is something "Odd".
I really need to fix this preoblem
#18: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:44 pm ----
Haroundb wrote:
Thought I thank everyone who replied in this thread, I really feel disappointed because of the replies that my gearbox is something "Odd".
I really need to fix this preoblem
already told you what you need to do and what is the problem in my previous reply
#19: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:50 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
Haroundb wrote:
Thought I thank everyone who replied in this thread, I really feel disappointed because of the replies that my gearbox is something "Odd".
I really need to fix this preoblem
already told you what you need to do and what is the problem in my previous reply
Doing it in the dealer's shop will coast me lots of money. Can I do it my self?
#20: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:01 pm ---- you can. but there is no way you will be able to reset the counter, so the gearbox will still in the "protected mode"
and not many place will stock the correct gear oil
#21: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:44 pm ---- What is the protected mode?
#22: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:56 pm ----
#23: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:05 pm ---- OK, so changing the oil will fix the problem of bad shifting?
How much percent this is the case? It is expensive in the dealer's shop for a "Trial and error" What do you think?
#24: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:07 pm ---- Ah by the way, my snow and sport sign is not flashing, they are are not flashing.
#25: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:12 pm ----
Haroundb wrote:
Ah by the way, my snow and sport sign is not flashing, they are are not flashing.
i can guarantee it will happen
#26: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:18 pm ----
Haroundb wrote:
OK, so changing the oil will fix the problem of bad shifting?
How much percent this is the case? It is expensive in the dealer's shop for a "Trial and error" What do you think?
it might help.
but it also depends on when did the gearbox started to hesetate.
AL4 is very sensitive to temperature. if gear oi temperature get to high it will behave badly
#27: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:24 pm ---- I think very recently because when I bought it 3 weeks ago it wasn't that bad like today.
#28: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:38 pm ---- Nissan Micra 1.4 auto (1993-2002 shape) is 80bhp and braked towing capacity is 650kg
Toyota Yaris 1.3 auto is a bit better at 86bhp and towing capacity 900kg
Peugeot 206 1.6 16V auto is 110bhp and can tow 1100kg
Similarly, Fiesta, Polo, Clio, etc are all around the 70-80bhp area.
#29: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:52 pm ----
paul_c wrote:
Nissan Micra 1.4 auto (1993-2002 shape) is 80bhp and braked towing capacity is 650kg
Toyota Yaris 1.3 auto is a bit better at 86bhp and towing capacity 900kg
Peugeot 206 1.6 16V auto is 110bhp and can tow 1100kg
Similarly, Fiesta, Polo, Clio, etc are all around the 70-80bhp area.
are you serious?
#30: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:55 pm ----
Haroundb wrote:
I think very recently because when I bought it 3 weeks ago it wasn't that bad like today.
i mean when did it happen; start from cold? town driving? climbing up hill? long motorway drive?
and by any chances you drive through any puddle? the breather pipe for the old 206 are very low and it is very easy to suck up water
#31: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:57 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
paul_c wrote:
Nissan Micra 1.4 auto (1993-2002 shape) is 80bhp and braked towing capacity is 650kg
Toyota Yaris 1.3 auto is a bit better at 86bhp and towing capacity 900kg
Peugeot 206 1.6 16V auto is 110bhp and can tow 1100kg
Similarly, Fiesta, Polo, Clio, etc are all around the 70-80bhp area.
are you serious?
The specifications I listed are factually accurate.
#32: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:58 pm ---- Strange, I thought towing capacity was based on weight not power.
#33: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:01 pm ----
paul_c wrote:
Seabook wrote:
paul_c wrote:
Nissan Micra 1.4 auto (1993-2002 shape) is 80bhp and braked towing capacity is 650kg
Toyota Yaris 1.3 auto is a bit better at 86bhp and towing capacity 900kg
Peugeot 206 1.6 16V auto is 110bhp and can tow 1100kg
Similarly, Fiesta, Polo, Clio, etc are all around the 70-80bhp area.
are you serious?
The specifications I listed are factually accurate.
no. i mean you want to tow using a small hatch back with autobox?
#34: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:01 pm ----
D4NTP wrote:
Strange, I thought towing capacity was based on weight not power.
#35: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:04 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
paul_c wrote:
Seabook wrote:
paul_c wrote:
Nissan Micra 1.4 auto (1993-2002 shape) is 80bhp and braked towing capacity is 650kg
Toyota Yaris 1.3 auto is a bit better at 86bhp and towing capacity 900kg
Peugeot 206 1.6 16V auto is 110bhp and can tow 1100kg
Similarly, Fiesta, Polo, Clio, etc are all around the 70-80bhp area.
are you serious?
The specifications I listed are factually accurate.
no. i mean you want to tow using a small hatch back with autobox?
Yes.....I need an auto, I want a small (economical...well reasonably economical) car, but I also want a bit of power for overtaking etc and want to occasionally tow reasonably large trailers. It could easily be achieved if I bought and ran 2 cars but that would work out more expensive. To get it all in the one car, is difficult due to competing requirements. The 206 comes closest though.
#36: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:07 pm ----
paul_c wrote:
Seabook wrote:
paul_c wrote:
Seabook wrote:
paul_c wrote:
Nissan Micra 1.4 auto (1993-2002 shape) is 80bhp and braked towing capacity is 650kg
Toyota Yaris 1.3 auto is a bit better at 86bhp and towing capacity 900kg
Peugeot 206 1.6 16V auto is 110bhp and can tow 1100kg
Similarly, Fiesta, Polo, Clio, etc are all around the 70-80bhp area.
are you serious?
The specifications I listed are factually accurate.
no. i mean you want to tow using a small hatch back with autobox?
Yes.....I need an auto, I want a small (economical...well reasonably economical) car, but I also want a bit of power for overtaking etc and want to occasionally tow reasonably large trailers. It could easily be achieved if I bought and ran 2 cars but that would work out more expensive. To get it all in the one car, is difficult due to competing requirements. The 206 comes closest though.
figure wise might be true.
but you have been warned about the AL4
#37: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:09 pm ---- I know.....I read the comments about them before I bought it. I also compared the number of threads with auto box problems, to the number of threads with manual box problems (taking into account the number of manual cars, vs auto cars) and reached different conclusions to some of the people on here. And....I've had no problems with the car so far. It might blow up tomorrow, but even if it did, I've had my money's worth out of it.
#38: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:13 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
Haroundb wrote:
I think very recently because when I bought it 3 weeks ago it wasn't that bad like today.
i mean when did it happen; start from cold? town driving? climbing up hill? long motorway drive?
and by any chances you drive through any puddle? the breather pipe for the old 206 are very low and it is very easy to suck up water
All occasions and all time, but once I get into the fourth gear, everything is fine, but when I am climping a hill it doesn't shift down and so as you understand it gets very very very powerless.
But talking about powerless driving, this is just happen even in 60 km.h when the car consumes all the gears and in no time you are stuck in the 4th gear, at that moment I understand fully that the car shifted throw all the gears in no time (regardless of the speed I am driving in).
Now downshifting is the "pain" I do feel all the time, and sure you know what I am talking about. It shifts all as if I am braking 3,2,1 even in 45 km.h I get into the first gear.
about breather pipe do you mean the one going to the air filter box?
#39: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:19 pm ---- Haroundb have you driven other autos? The Pug 206 is relatively unusual in that it downshifts during braking, most autos don't (they leave it in top gear and coast to a stop, ie the drive becomes disconnected from the engine as the revs drop to around idle speed). I guess if these downshifts are harsh, its a problem. Might just be what you're used to / not used to though?
#40: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:07 pm ---- it is hard by the statement of other pug 206 drivers.
#41: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:02 pm ---- OK here is an update....::
It turned out that the gearbox was running a very bad oil condition plus it was not full. About 1.5 liter's were were missing thought we didnt find any leaks. Now the car runs far better than before but still there is something still not fine. Will go tomorrow God willing will go for ECU reaet.
#42: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:06 am ---- Done, I did check the ECU for Errors and that what I got :
Gearbox ECU Code : P0082
Engine ECU Code (1) : P1110 Air conditioner Request Signal improbable
Engine ECU Code (2) : P1327 Synchronization of camshaft (bank 1) to crankshaft signal improbable.
Any help is appreciated, and still I get the harsh shift of the gear.
Thanks
#43: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:15 am ---- Waiting for your replies guys.
#44: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:38 pm ---- Done, I did check the ECU for Errors and that what I got :
Gearbox ECU Code : P0082
Engine ECU Code (1) : P1110 Air conditioner Request Signal improbable
Engine ECU Code (2) : P1327 Synchronization of camshaft (bank 1) to crankshaft signal improbable.
Any help is appreciated, and still I get the harsh shift of the gear.
Thanks
#45: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:43 pm ---- SORRY Duplicate post.
#46: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:17 am ---- what oil do they put in? how much oil do they put in?
what tools do you used to read the code as none of those code should affect the gearbox
#47: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:14 am ---- Peugeot oil I used the dealer's oil. Regarding the tools I think he used a Bosch (ESI Tronic) I think. and for the gear code (0028) some other hand held tool with some letters, s z c h s ... (I Don't think I can remember)
#48: Re: Gearbox Hard (Downshifting) hesetating in some gears? Author: Haroundb, Location: Sultante of Oman - MuscatPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:27 am ---- After even changing gear oil and the head gasket and water pump, and timing belt, still gear is acting weird! It shifts erroneously.
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