#1: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:30 pm ---- OK, I'm going to be short here.
Pics gradually go here: www.flickr.com/photos/84722500@N03/
Flywheel power is 210 HP, torque 240 Nm available from 1500 to 7000 rpm
Boost is 0.8 bar.
Here's the list of all mods done until now:
- Starring Eaton M62 clutched supercharger from a Merc SLK230
- OZ Racing 17" rims
- Water piping reconstruction + rerouting (inox)
- Custom 18.5cm crank pulley + custom belt
- Custom intake manifold
- Clutch reinforcement (adjusted flywheel)
- Oil cooler (water)
- Custom steering pump (electric) + hoses
- Engine head adjustment
- Forge bypass valve
- Motul gearbox oil
- Oil change + filter
- ARP gasket bolts
- BORLA complete inox exhaust 63mm
- Lancer Evo X catalyst
- New engine heat exchanger
- NGK spark plugs
- Adjusted clutch cable
- Pirelli Pzero Nero 205/40/17 tyres
- Exhaust thermoband (exhaust manifold + downpipe)
- Bosch bigger fuelpump (2.0 TFSI)
- 470cc injectors
- K&N sportfilter + Samco hoses
- Enlarged cold air intake
- 206RC exhaust manifold
- modified gearbox linkages + shortshift
- Unichip piggyback
- DP_Engineering decompression plate
- OMP front strutbar
- Quaife LSD
- 206RC rear suspension/axle + powerflex mounts + KYB Ultra-SR sport dampers
- Front Eibach Pro springs
- Water/methanol cooling (Devil's Own) Stage 1
- Alpine 9812 HU + MacAudio MPX4000 + Pioneer TS-A171CI + Pioneer TS-G1312
- New brake discs and pads (ATE)
- Lowered as much as possible
- Metabond oil treatment
To be done:
- powerflex bushes for front
- vibratechnics engine mounts (f***ing engine keeps breaking its mounts !@$#$^%@)
- intercooling (IAT is killer!)
- modify front grilles (for more air!)
- hood scoop for more air!
- switch to 283mm brakes in front (need braking power!)
- new front dampers (KYB Ultra-SR or Bilstein B4/B6 for better mass transfer) Last edited by deadrange2001 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:50 pm; edited 2 times in total
#2: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:34 pm ---- Sounds good but the only bit im intrested in is the water/methanol cooling.....
#3: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:40 pm ---- w/m cooling will be used as temporary remedy for IAT reduction
Tuner engineer has insisted on non-intercooled design, now engine heat is dangerous for summer day driving so he suddenly changed his mind
W/m will be used later on only for temporary meth boost, intercooler will lower temperatures properly.
#4: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:43 pm ---- seriously doubt how much cooling effect will the meth/water spray give you.
myself and steve both got the kit set up and we got very minimal gain on power before intercooling. We only got 2L engine so can't really run oversize nozzle
#5: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:44 pm ---- No cooler?!
Well that is strange....
How much roughly did the meth setup cost? As im currently just investing in a cooler spray rather than injection
#7: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:55 pm ---- Yes *it is strange*; it is also inefficient and dangerous for the engine. This is what I said too to the tuner engineer but he seemed to convince me somehow to go on. However, I am not (yet) car engineer, but I am quick learner. Space is a huge problem in the engine bay for any kind of intercooler piping if supercharger is placed as in my photo. Will attempt a swap with the alternator (new mounts, sh.it) or will totally quit air conditioning Not too good for a black car in summer time.
Meth setup was about 300 EUR + installation.
#8: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:58 pm ---- if you really running out of space you could run charge cooler. The cooling core are located in-line with your supercharge pipe work.
#9: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:13 pm ---- Thanks for the tip but the operation space for that is really small (check engine picture, lefthand side). I kinda need to put a 90 degree angle hose out of the supercharger and this will definitely kill airflow
It will be a project for this winter...
#10: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:07 pm ---- Mines s/c but no intercooler. runs fine.
#11: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:28 pm ---- very nice work mate,it's interesting how much the engine bay can hold..heheh
#12: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:48 am ---- For the moment engine mounts keep breaking
D4NTP: can you please give me a link to your s/c project?
#13: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:59 am ----
deadrange2001 wrote:
For the moment engine mounts keep breaking
D4NTP: can you please give me a link to your s/c project?
ignore him, he got a toyota and it's S/C from factory
#14: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:09 am ---- I see, thanks
#15: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:23 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
deadrange2001 wrote:
For the moment engine mounts keep breaking
D4NTP: can you please give me a link to your s/c project?
ignore him, he got a toyota and it's S/C from factory
ignore you! lol
#16: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:59 pm ---- Update: I (or better said my engine) has successfully manage to fu.ck up the supercharger in a spectacular manner.
Rear snout bearings are literally melted, front bearings are quite shakey. Epoxy off the rotors has chipped off and lubricating oil has a dark tint.
I suspect that bolting the s/c directly to the intake manifold and thus to the cylinder head is not such a good idea since some mysterious forces are bending the engine in the belt area. As a proof, I have found a bit of oil leakage in the opposite direction, which means that although I have used ARP studs for head mounting, some serious problems may be inside.
Obviously I need rework and that means quitting the air conditioning. That's fine since more space for dash gauges is thus created
For the moment project is on hold.
#17: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:43 pm ---- how much boost are you running?
have you ever monitor the inlet air temperature?
#18: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:23 pm ---- 0.8 bar boost At these values I should have had at least 70 HP and 100Nm more.
Roots s/c is famous for air heating. There is no thermal isolation between s/c and intake manifold (bad, bad. bad!) and engine + s/c temps got combined. On top of this, there is no intercooler. I think IAT is 90-100 celsius which is horrible. I will have a serious discussion with the tuning engineer on monday. Meanwhile I found another supercharger but I do not afford changing them as socks or underwear
#19: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:58 pm ---- this is properly a draft question but you sure you got enough oil in the supercharger? not too much or too less?
as far as i remember M62 rate at max 10psi at 14000rpm?
#20: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:25 am ---- Seabook, good question. I have revised the oil and it seems to be okay. Now I've found a new kompressor and will intend to deploy intercooling
I am using a 2:1 pulley therefore I am not going over 14000 rpm. Pressure is being read using the MAP sensor and is about 0.78 bar (11.3 psi)... I don't know what to believe, however, I am a calm driver, shifting at about 5000 rpm...
The fault that I got was not in the front snout (the oiled one) but in the one in the back ...
It resulted in a s***ty mess, with s/c inner walls "machined" by the rotors.
#21: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:50 pm ---- Gave up DP-Engineering decompression plate as it generated too much hassle. Lesson learned: IT IS NOT GOOD FOR LOW BOOST. May be good for high boost turbo (over 1.2 bar) but definitely not for low boost. As a matter of fact, engine idle becomes a nightmare, fuel consumption is chaotic, lots of unburnt fuel goes off the exhaust...
Stock compression engine with just 0.5 bar boost yields now over 8 HP over the decompressed one with 0.8 bar... will go 0.8 bar soon, targeting 240HP and 300Nm. Even now (215 HP and 255Nm) the car has violent takeoff but thank God for the stiff suspension and lowered height...
#22: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: heyziq, Location: MalaysiaPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:08 pm ---- any update?
#23: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:13 am ---- Switching to new engine management soon. Car is running fine, mpg is low
#24: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: heyziq, Location: MalaysiaPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:09 am ----
deadrange2001 wrote:
Switching to new engine management soon. Car is running fine, mpg is low
think i need to contact you, im into supercharger project too but want to maintain aircond..not sure which place to mount it, did u think amr 300 and amr 500 too small.. not planning to change intake manifold
#27: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: deadrange2001, Location: euPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:29 am ---- You can keep air conditioning but things are going to be really tight. You need a very good welder.
You will have to move all heat exchangers 2-3cm towards the driver side (assuming you have a left hand side steering car).
You cannot keep the original manifold since it occupies too much space.
You can keep air conditioning but things are going to be really tight. You need a very good welder.
You will have to move all heat exchangers 2-3cm towards the driver side (assuming you have a left hand side steering car).
You cannot keep the original manifold since it occupies too much space.
mine is right hand drive anyway... heat exchanger= radiator?
HOW about using charger AMR 300/ AMR 500 looking for nice torque anyway
by the way could i get much clearer pic of
- Custom 18.5cm crank pulley + custom belt
- supercharger mounting point
-your new intake manifold
-how supercharge and belting to crank pulley;s cannot thinking if there is enough space Last edited by heyziq on Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:27 pm; edited 1 time in total
#29: Re: 206 GTI Kompressor sleeper Author: heyziq, Location: MalaysiaPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:24 pm ---- BY the way let me help you post your picture here
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