I have a 206 with the BE4/5 transmission box, and after searching google and here, I get to the conclusion that I need BV 75W80 transmission oil.
Thing is that I live in Dominican Republic, and I have been searching that type of oil at the Peugeot Certified Service shops and they reacted strangely to my request to the point of asking me if I had imported the vehicle on my own. All they sell is the AL4 oil.
Some of the normal car shops here sell 80W90, others some 90W140.
According to this site, adding 80W90 isn't that great for the BE gear box.
I would like to know if I have to import this oil from Europe ($$$$) or I could just use 80W90.
Edit: I could get 75W90, but that requires importing from United States ($$ not as much as Europe import).
What could be the disadvantages of using 80W90? The site link I gave before states that 80W90 gives a rougher gearbox feeling.
In the end, I just want to service the car and keep it in top condition.
Thanks.
#2: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:04 pm ---- any oil other than 75w80 will give you stiff gear change. even 75w90 will do no good at all.
you should be able to get it from peugeot or citroen dealer
some MTF gearoil might have the same viscosity range but you need to check the label to make sure that.
i have no idea what brands of oil you got in your country
#3: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: chimerahitman, Location: Dominican RepublicPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:49 pm ---- Thanks for your response.
It claims to be API GL-4 Rated, and SAE 75W-80, but I am a bit unsure of this. I haven't heard of the brand before.
Right now I have 80W-90 in the gearbox, I called my local mechanic and that's what he last put in there. I will head to the Peugeot/Citroen dealer now and find out what they put in manual gearboxes.
If they don't believe me, I will have to show them the owners manual which states 75W-80.
Edit: I wonder if some other European car uses this oil. This way I could go to some other dealer. Last edited by chimerahitman on Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
#4: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:50 pm ---- Do Euro Car Parts not deliver to your country?
I put a 75/90 in the gearbox once and the gearchange was very notchy.
#5: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:59 pm ---- if you import from US there is plenty of choices.....
torco MTF; redline superlight weight; royal purple synchromax; even mobil 1 do 75w80 gearoil
#9: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: chimerahitman, Location: Dominican RepublicPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:55 pm ---- Thanks for your very informative replies.
Spent a couple of hours looking over these gear oils.
I looked at Redline 70W80 which looks promising. Though I don't know much about oils and such, but this one sounds good. Need some confirmation on that.
Looked at Redline Superlight weight, but couldn't find it "as is" but with the added Shockproof part to its name. In this site they say its 75W80, but in the paragraph below the image, it says that it's not recommended for normal syncro-type transmissions. So, in part, great for being exactly what I want 75W80, but then it scares me off with that little bit of info.
The other one that caught my attention was Royal Purpol Syncromax. Looking at this document, they recommended Syncromax as a solution for BWM/MINI's Esso MTL LT-1 gear oil. Esso MTL LT-1, is 75W80 GL4 gear oil. So I guess this one could be the winner.
It would be nice to hear from someone more experienced than me (almost anyone is since I am just starting out) and pointing out what could/should be the better choice. So far, though, RP Syncromax sounds hit on, but other two could be better solutions instead of it. Tried looking at Torco MTF, but no ratings were shown and decided to purge it from the decision list.
#10: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:23 am ---- Not sure about Redline but I've heard Royal Purple is good, as will be Esso.
Any good quality 75W80 will be ok.
Have you looked at Opie Oils web site. they ship to some overseas countries ... but at a price.
#11: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:33 am ----
Seabook wrote:
but Jesus....that is expensive
Cheaper than Halfords!
#12: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: chimerahitman, Location: Dominican RepublicPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:26 am ----
gazza82 wrote:
Have you looked at Opie Oils web site. they ship to some overseas countries ... but at a price.
When you have to pay an extra 30 Euros for light objects to brought over, I wouldn't want to think about heavy oils!
I have decided to take Redline MTL formulation. It's viscosities at 40 and 100 degrees C are slightly higher than Esso's BV 75W80, meanwhile Royal Purple Synchromax has them slightly lower. I don't know much, but I guess I should try keeping values a bit above original specs found in the recommended BV 75W80 oils.
If anyone who knows about oils and viscosities could point out to me that my conclusion is wrong, I will get Royal Purple Syncromax. Otherwise, I will order Redline tomorrow and see if I can have it over next week.
Thanks to everyone for the time taken to reply, it was really helpful at solving this problem.
#13: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:46 am ---- i am pretty such torco MTF has exactly the same viscosity range as total BV4.
and yes you are right redline MTF is slightly higher (that's why i suggest superlight shockprove); and RP Synchromax are slighly lower.
But again all those viscosity range are within SAE 75w/80 standard and to be fair different brands 75w/80 has different viscosity too. for example, motul 75w/80 and miller 75w/80 are thicker than total BV4; and that's why most people stick with total BV4 (and it is rather cheap in UV, about 4 GBP per L)
#14: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:19 pm ---- I've used that ECP valvoline stuff thinking it would be ideal for my MA box.. utter nightmare.
Tried a few others over the years in there and Total BV 75W80 is the only one that seems to work
properly-permenantely. I wouldn't touch anything else but then I don't know what the BE box is like.
#15: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:39 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Seabook wrote:
but Jesus....that is expensive
Cheaper than Halfords!
That's the think about Halfords .. they aren't cheap for a lot of stuff nowadays ... quick but again only if they have it in stock ...
#16: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: SinfulDesignCom, Location: Ashford, KentPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:27 pm ---- Manufacturers only came out with the higher viscosity to give gearboxes a longer oil change period - providing you change the oil frequently you can throw 10/40 in and you will have far better performance
#17: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:14 am ---- I do hope that you were joking!!
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
#18: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: SinfulDesignCom, Location: Ashford, KentPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:11 am ---- You never raced an 'A' series???
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
Different formulation altogether and no sulphur in engine oil.
I know people have done it but anything other than BV 75W80 is a giant cockup in my experience let-alone engine oil in there..
#20: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:59 am ----
SinfulDesignCom wrote:
You never raced an 'A' series???
As in Mini engine?
My first car had 948cc's and used 20W50 mineral oil .. also had RWD!
... but I'd still not stick that in a gearbox or diff!
#21: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:02 am ----
gazza82 wrote:
I do hope that you were joking!!
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
There are plenty of cars still on the road where the manufacturer states that engine oil of 10w 30 or 10w 40 is what should be used in the gearbox.
Most cars use gearbox oil BUT some need engine oil as putting gearbox oil in actually ruins the gearbox.
You should always refer to the manufacturers recommended oil specification for the car in question, they designed & built it so they know what lubricant to stick in it.
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
Different formulation altogether and no sulphur in engine oil.
I know people have done it but anything other than BV 75W80 is a giant cockup in my experience let-alone engine oil in there..
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
Different formulation altogether and no sulphur in engine oil.
I know people have done it but anything other than BV 75W80 is a giant cockup in my experience let-alone engine oil in there..
loads of engine oil oil got MoS2 nowadays
That's molybdenum dioxide, I thought gear oil had straight sulphur in it.
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
Different formulation altogether and no sulphur in engine oil.
I know people have done it but anything other than BV 75W80 is a giant cockup in my experience let-alone engine oil in there..
loads of engine oil oil got MoS2 nowadays
That's molybdenum dioxide, I thought gear oil had straight sulphur in it.
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
Different formulation altogether and no sulphur in engine oil.
I know people have done it but anything other than BV 75W80 is a giant cockup in my experience let-alone engine oil in there..
loads of engine oil oil got MoS2 nowadays
That's molybdenum dioxide, I thought gear oil had straight sulphur in it.
that's molybdenum disulphide
That's the one. Is that used in gear oil?
I thought it was actual form of sulphur used which gives it the characteristic smell.
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
Different formulation altogether and no sulphur in engine oil.
I know people have done it but anything other than BV 75W80 is a giant cockup in my experience let-alone engine oil in there..
loads of engine oil oil got MoS2 nowadays
That's molybdenum dioxide, I thought gear oil had straight sulphur in it.
that's molybdenum disulphide
That's the one. Is that used in gear oil?
I thought it was another form of sulphur used which gives it the characteristic smell.
yes, so as in some of the engine oil and CV joint grease
commerical grade molybdenum disulphide always contaminate with elemental sulfur.
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
Different formulation altogether and no sulphur in engine oil.
I know people have done it but anything other than BV 75W80 is a giant cockup in my experience let-alone engine oil in there..
loads of engine oil oil got MoS2 nowadays
That's molybdenum dioxide, I thought gear oil had straight sulphur in it.
that's molybdenum disulphide
That's the one. Is that used in gear oil?
I thought it was another form of sulphur used which gives it the characteristic smell.
yes, so as in some of the engine oil and CV joint grease
commerical grade molybdenum disulphide always contaminate with elemental sulfur.
So, can you make lysergic acid diethylamide if I send you all the stuff?
#28: Re: BE4/5 Gearbox oil sourcing troubles Author: SinfulDesignCom, Location: Ashford, KentPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:11 pm ---- Jesus - what have I done!! I only said you could use the damn stuff. Being of lower viscosity, forgetting the chemistry lesson, it will offer better performance given it will allow for free movement - imagine walking through water and then through treacle...
Maybe an issue used long term on newer boxes - but to iterate a point, look at early Saabs, Honda, Peugeots, Mini... many more - all use engine oil in the gearbox. They were fine. But adding an extra 2-3 litres of oil to each lubrication service soon became expensive. Hence a fluid which only required a change every 40-50k.
That was my point - nothing more. I will let you know how my gearbox is after a few sessions at Brands
10W40 isn't going to take the pressures that you get in between the gears ... 10W40 is engine oil and isn't designed for gearboxes ...
Different formulation altogether and no sulphur in engine oil.
I know people have done it but anything other than BV 75W80 is a giant cockup in my experience let-alone engine oil in there..
loads of engine oil oil got MoS2 nowadays
That's molybdenum dioxide, I thought gear oil had straight sulphur in it.
that's molybdenum disulphide
That's the one. Is that used in gear oil?
I thought it was another form of sulphur used which gives it the characteristic smell.
yes, so as in some of the engine oil and CV joint grease
commerical grade molybdenum disulphide always contaminate with elemental sulfur.
So, can you make lysergic acid diethylamide if I send you all the stuff?
i always though that is the only reason why people staying late night and holidays in the lab.
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