#1: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: lee1985, Location: North WestPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:07 pm ---- I have no intentions of converting the engine but I am curious as to what engines can actually be put/fit into the GTI 180 with the right equipment/persons etc.
I know that deadeyepaul (i think it's him) has a 3L V6 in his GTI, so that's one possibility. Despite my lack of mechanical knowledge I think I am right that you cannot put any engine into any car.
So, getting to the point, uless the list is endless or long, does anyone have a list of cars whose engines can be put into the 180 with a reasonable cost if undertaken correctly (and not having to replace 25 other things as well as you may as just well buy a new car!)
#2: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: chimp3106, Location: loughboroughPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:13 pm ---- I no a friend who has just fit his 205 with a mitsubishi evo engine so all engines will go in any car its just a matter of how much u want to spend
#3: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: JamieM, Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:14 pm ---- 207 GTi it if you've killed it!
1.6T, you could be the first? or one of (covers ass).
1.6T, you could be the first? or one of (covers ass).
down grade from a 2.0 engine to 1.6L?
#6: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: lee1985, Location: North WestPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:20 pm ---- Well that stopped my farting in church didn't it?
I take it the idea is that people buy cheap old bangers with good engines such as the old Astra GSI (the corsa redtop is probably the most common example) or even a cheap EVO one of the old IV models or something with low mileage and then pay a garage to fit the engine?
I would assume it's cheaper to have the engine available and just pay for the fitting and the other bits and bobs to make it all go together - though I would also assume this alone costs several thousand anyway?
I take it the idea is that people buy cheap old bangers with good engines such as the old Astra GSI (the corsa redtop is probably the most common example) or even a cheap EVO one of the old IV models or something with low mileage and then pay a garage to fit the engine?
I would assume it's cheaper to have the engine available and just pay for the fitting and the other bits and bobs to make it all go together - though I would assume this alone costs several thousand?
most likely you need a hell lot more than just the engine.
unless both car use the same gearbox, otherwise you will need the donor gearbox as well.
driveshafts, engine mounting point, all the aux stuff...essentially everything inside the engine bay.
1.6T, you could be the first? or one of (covers ass).
down grade from a 2.0 engine to 1.6L?
More tuning potential?
THP 175 lump + mods good for 250 ish bhp with not too much spenditure?
Afterall he has killed the 180 lump I'm guessing lol
To get a 180 engine to 200 bhp would be around the same as 250 out of the above surely lol
#9: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: chimp3106, Location: loughboroughPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:35 pm ---- The guy that did his 205 had most of his bitscustom made its a beast m.youtube.com/index?de...BXu8jqJJ3g
#10: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:11 am ---- 207 GTi engine could be a very good conversion. Doesnt do too badly in the 207. The 206 is 150kg lighter.
#11: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:12 am ----
lee1985 wrote:
I know that deadeyepaul (i think it's him) has a 3L V6 in his GTI, so that's one possibility.
It used to be a 1.4 16v sport, the orignal engine had no room for improvement(as its well known knowledge on the forum)
The thing you have to consider when getting your new engine will be.
Does your current setup have a hydraulic clutch? If it doesn't that's is another cost.
do you want to keep your air conditioning? (the thing weighs a tonne and removing it will save weight)
gear box is your current one sufficient? (more than likely your new engine will come with one)
Wiring, is your current car a non-plex model or is it multi-plex.
Exhaust, can it take the power of the new engine
#12: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:17 am ---- If you already have a gti 180 why not just get a turbo conversion for £3.5k-£5k bigger power gains but standard displacement
#13: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:21 am ---- Gary, my wizard mechanic quoted me for 2500 (with the hydraulic clutch upgrade, gearbox, gear linkages, new engine mounts, radiator.. Basically everything to get the engine to work in my car)
I am also getting him to put a BMC induction kit, brand new exhaust (de-cat) and a single piece driveshaft(better cornering) so all the extras I am getting totals to 3120. Which is not expensive considering all the work that goes into it!
#14: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:37 am ----
DeadEyePaul wrote:
do you want to keep your air conditioning? (the thing weighs a tonne and removing it will save weight)
AC pump, radiator and all plumbing weighs 10kg. Not much.
#15: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: lee1985, Location: North WestPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:16 pm ---- Okay, so I've just seen an advert for just under 2k on auto trader for a BMW 7 Series 750I V12 5.4 Litre from 1998, it has just over 100,000 on the clock.
Supposing someone fitted this to a 180 it would probably be as quick as an Audi R8 because of the power to weight ratio (it's just over 320bhp on the BMW)
This begs the question to engine converters and would-be converters, why don't you do that? Instead of spending 8 grand on a turbo kit or 3k on throttle bodies. Let's get this right, 3 grand for throttle bodies to add an extra 40bhp or maybe 5/6 grand for 5 and half litre V12?! It may cost a lot and the fuel consumption figures would be like donating fuel to every passing driver, sure. But still? Thus I suspect there is more to it than just "you can convert any engine"?
I mean wouldn't it be a dream to have a 5.4 Litre V12 in your car? Obviously not so, right?
Reasons/views/opinions please?
#16: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: Steve180, Location: CoventryPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:55 am ---- Any engine can go in any car, the car just might not look like how it used to. Have you seen the 6.0 V12 306? It's two 3.0 V6's, one in the front, one in the back and no-one could be called stupid for looking at that and saying it doesn't look the same bodywise as another 306 (it had to be widened, lengthend and all sorts of axle changes to affect the conversion.
If you want your car the be the same size and in terms of the body, look basically the same then there are only certain size's of engine that will fit in it because there is only so much room in the bay (but of course you knew this as it's common sense). The 180 can fit UP TO a 3.6 V6 'under' the bonnet but it would require huge amounts of work because of the chasis modifications/ bodywork involved.
The Alfa V6 fits snuggly under the bonnet as do a lot of the Chevvy V6's but it does mean rear wheel drive conversion which then means rear axle conversion, gearbox change, exhaust tunnel re-route........ you get the idea.
If you want A: a fast car with a different engine B: looks the same (roughly) as a 'normal' 206 GTi 180 C: goes like shovel off a s**t, then get a GTi 138 engine, spend 2.5K on compression parts, headwork, gearbox, L.S.D and all the bit's in between and for the price of say a V6 conversion, the 138 engine should be producing around 200BHP easily and the car won't weight any where near as much meaning better power to weight.
Speak with Pug1OFF (as I'm sure most people on here know about they're crazy 2.0 N/A that has 250BHP)
#17: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:17 am ---- Or you could get a v6 conversion that's 210bhp from standard
#18: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:34 am ----
Steve180 wrote:
If you want A: a fast car with a different engine B: looks the same (roughly) as a 'normal' 206 GTi 180 C: goes like shovel off a s**t, then get a GTi 138 engine, spend 2.5K on compression parts, headwork, gearbox, L.S.D and all the bit's in between and for the price of say a V6 conversion,
You'll need to at least double or treble that £ figure for all the bits in between!
#19: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:16 am ---- Why not just use the 180 engine you already have , saves a lot of messing about switching cars or engines, just spend the money on a turbo haha it's cheaper if you want good bhp/£ ratio
#20: Re: GTI 180 Engine Conversion - Possibilities? Author: jackspaniels, Location: gloucestershirePosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:53 am ---- Yes you can put any engine in any car. Although a BMW v12 engine and gearbox is about as long as a 206, so its not an easy swap.
I have seen plenty of swaps on 205s and 306s (twin v6, supra engine, evo engine, full cosworth 4x4). But not very many on the 206. The v6 conversion and turbo setups are the two main options.
Which way you decide will depend on what you want to spend, where you want to drive it and how reliable you want it to be.
Fitting engines from other manufacturers is in my opinion CHEATING
The v6 is immensely reliable and cheap to fit, but not many tuning options. (currently getting ITB's made for mine)
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bigger power gains but standard displacement
