#1: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:06 pm ---- Our little 206 1.48v (1999) has just started to play up, the wife complained about it on the way home so i've just run around the block in it and it decided to give me the run around.
The only symptoms I have are .... it doesn't want to rev, it didn't sound like it was a missfire but it kind of gave the feeling of trying to accelerate against a missfire, it just would not rev. I dropped the clutch in stamped on the accelerator and it picked up and revved freely. It drove normal for 2 minutes and then cut out. It started perfectly and then drove fine. It feels like your driving against the brakes
I've had a quick look under the bonnet and nothing appears to be loose or undone the only thing that felt hot was the radiator and top hose, i'm not sure if it was hotter than normal as i don't go around feeling the hoses all that often. The car has had the hg done and the oil is clean and it has no water or mayo.
The only thing i have noticed is just lately on very light throttle you can feather it and it feels almost like a switch, but other than that nothing. It still returns 40mpg no matter what and there are no lights on the dash.
Any pointers would be great, if not Vera goes on ebay
#2: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: anton1989, Location: west midlandsPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:38 pm ---- coilpack maybe?
#3: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:05 pm ---- That was my initial thought, it's on it's original one the only doubt was that it's never misfired or anything and it's just suddenly going.
#4: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: shell-vt, Location: durhamPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:15 pm ---- i kinda have the same problem but its a air intake leak
#5: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:28 pm ---- Interesting, have you traced the leak ? I can pull all the intake off tomorrow and check.
#6: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:55 pm ---- No coil pack on a hdi! Sounds like a turbo or intake problem.
#7: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: anton1989, Location: west midlandsPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:01 pm ----
Steve206 wrote:
No coil pack on a hdi! Sounds like a turbo or intake problem.
FAIL
#8: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:01 pm ---- Mines petrol
#9: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: Matt, Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:56 am ---- Could be loads of things. It's similar to a problem I'm having.
Service
MAF/MAP sensor
Coil pack
Spark plugs
Throttle sensor
Air in the system
Gearbox earth
These are a few things I've tried/checked/cleaned so far. I've not replaced anything as yet but obv makes sense to start with the cheapest bits first ie plugs.
#10: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:21 am ---- It's had plugs, air filter fuel filter in the last 5k. I've been out and cleaned the throttle body and idle speed control valve. It hasn't played up on the test run so hopefully the dirt I've cleaned off was the problem. Just thinking about it, it felt like it was being starved of fuel. Anyway I'll see what happens. I know it's old but if it starts giving me trouble then it will be up forsale very soon
#11: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: Matt, Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:09 pm ---- Cleaning the MAF, checking the Gearbox earth & and checking for air in the system are all free to do, so id try those next.
#12: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: 138Andy, Location: NottsPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:29 pm ---- if vera goes on ebay let me know
#13: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:00 am ----
anton1989 wrote:
Steve206 wrote:
No coil pack on a hdi! Sounds like a turbo or intake problem.
FAIL
LOL, no idea why i thought that!
#14: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: Coolspot, Location: East SussexPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:53 am ---- I would say map sensor as this has happened to or picasso and i swapped the map sensor to the 206 and it showed the same problem as the sensor is the same problem. £15 ebay
#15: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:57 am ---- Ok after cleaning the ISCV again, i think i've ruled it out, if you hold the revs at 2k it drops by 50rpm every few seconds then rise's, so i guessing there is a possibility that its the coilpack on the way out. It seems fine elsewhere and it only has a kitten when pulling away at low speed under load and not accelerating hard. I think i'll just pick one up from eurocar parts, they are only £42 at the minute which is cheaper than paying an hours labour. If that doesn't fix it i'll put the coilpack on here It still might end up on ebay though. I've had it too long (7 months)
#16: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: richpowell91, Location: Melton Mowbray LeicestershirePosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:54 pm ---- Have you had it read for fault codes?
#17: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:06 pm ---- Nope, I'm working on the theory I'd throw £40 at the coil pack rather than £30 on a fault code and then have to spend another £70 on a coil pack.
#18: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: richpowell91, Location: Melton Mowbray LeicestershirePosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:17 pm ---- As oppossed to spending £40 on a coilpack only to find its something completely different when that doesnt work?
Its far better to get it code read to start with so you know what the problem is, rather than just replacing sensors and parts.We get plenty of people coming into work having done the same as you only to find out that if they had come to us in the first place it would have cost them much less in the first place.
Thats my advice anyway
#19: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:47 am ---- Thanks, I understand what your saying and if it had been the tt or cupra I would have booked it in. However on a 1999 206 there cannot be that many sensors and going by how many people on here get through coil packs and the type of fault it's showing coil pack does seem the most obvious. I'll pick up the coil pack at lunchtime fit it tonight and if all goes well that will be the end of it, if not it will probably end up in the garage as you originally suggested
#20: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:54 am ---- Ok, just to add .... it only does it when cold, once warm its fine time to get the fault codes read
Best guess from the man with the spanners is possibly sticking injector, i'll run some cleaner through it and see if it makes a difference. ECU Temp sensor has been checked and seems fine ... its a shame as it runs fine apart from this little hissy fit, once its had it then there are no issues for the rest of the day. On a positive note at least it had its hissy fit in his possession.
#22: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:47 pm ---- How are you planning to clean the injectors?
Find a injector service center / garage that can clean them on the car
They use a special machine so there os no need to remove the injectors
#24: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:43 pm ---- @mrbsi, thanks I'll have a look. I have found a complete injector rail with injectors locally I may try that, I know of two places that clean injectors locally but think they need to be removed. I've chucked a load of injector cleaner in it tonight, granted it probably won't clear a sticking injector but might help a little.
#25: Re: 206 wants sleep ? Author: SteveTDCi, Location: StamfordPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:51 pm ---- So tonight I have .... Visual check of the coil pack, removed and re gapped the plugs, two were slightly tight but all were a good colour. I removed the fuel rail and injectors, seals looked ok (£12 per injector from pug) checked the throttle body and cleaned and swapped the ecu temp sensor for the old one .... I chucked a load of redex down the fuel rail... I'll see what it's like In the morning, although it still revs a little wonky
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