#1: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:01 pm ---- Hallo, I noticed that my BSI parameters were a little messed up...
I got "unknown values" or wrong ones, and now I'm trying to correct them.
Anyone with PP2000 and a MUX car with oil temperature indicator could please check if "source of oil temperature" is set on BSI or ECU?
Thank you very much!
#2: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:26 pm ---- I'll gat back to you!
#3: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:45 am ---- Thank you very much!
#4: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:45 am ---- Thank you very much!
#5: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:59 am ---- WARNING: Messing with BSI/ECU configs using a clone interface is very risky.
#6: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:03 pm ----
V9977 wrote:
WARNING: Messing with BSI/ECU configs using a clone interface is very risky.
gpvecchi is working on citroen dealer/service. So I think they have genuine PP2000 or DiagBox.
#7: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:03 pm ---- Exactly, genuine, not a clone... But I'll do my best to mess up my electronics!
#8: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:13 am ----
Schumi wrote:
V9977 wrote:
WARNING: Messing with BSI/ECU configs using a clone interface is very risky.
gpvecchi is working on citroen dealer/service. So I think they have genuine PP2000 or DiagBox.
OK.
I thought I'd better say it..
Now where's Steve?
#9: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:22 pm ---- Hallo, any news for me, please?
#10: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:35 pm ---- I wouldnt know where to look :S
#11: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:02 pm ---- It's inside BSI, Engine Compartment
#12: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: pug206lx, Location: Taking a gearbox off somewherePosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:15 pm ---- My mux 206 is locked away right now but if i happen get the chance and no one else has replied i will look for you.
#13: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:09 pm ---- Pleeeeease help me!
#14: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:15 pm ---- I don't understand why you just don't try both ways to see which works if it's just one setting in question.
#15: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:19 pm ---- Because both of them works, but with different temperatures. This is why a BSI has to be configured correctly...
#16: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:21 pm ----
gpvecchi wrote:
Because both of them works, but with different temperatures. This is why a BSI has to be configured correctly...
Oh, OK didn't know that. How big a difference between the two?
I would have gladly checked for you by now but it doesn't have oil-temp on the Mrs. mux 206.
Also, every time she sees me approaching it with that laptop there is a big fight, I don't know why.
#17: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:29 am ---- I don't have oil temp gauge on mine otherwise I'd have a look.
I have had a look on Autodata at the wiring diagrams, and they don't help.
Best I can find is the oil temp for CO check (think it was that, was last night when I looked) is 80 degrees. Hopefully one of your readings is close to this.
#18: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:35 am ---- I retrofitted oil temp to my TU3 but I don't have access to Planet, someone at a Peugeot main dealer activated it for me for beer tokens.
#19: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:10 am ----
V9977 wrote:
How big a difference between the two?
About +5 degrees when hot and -5 degrees when cold...
#20: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:18 am ---- If you have access to a proper official emissions tester just stick its oil temp probe down the dipstick tube & try both settings till you get the one thats near enough.
#21: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:22 am ----
gpvecchi wrote:
V9977 wrote:
How big a difference between the two?
About +5 degrees when hot and -5 degrees when cold...
Correlation is rarely spot-on anyway, try what Mr.BSI said and see which is closer but it might still be +/-5 C out even then.
What year/model is the car?
#22: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: pug206lx, Location: Taking a gearbox off somewherePosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:16 pm ---- I had a look for you today but all I could find was:
separate oil temperature sensor Present
I can't find anything about the source. If you can point me in the right direction about where you found this setting i'll have another look for you.
#23: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:08 am ----
V9977 wrote:
gpvecchi wrote:
V9977 wrote:
How big a difference between the two?
About +5 degrees when hot and -5 degrees when cold...
Correlation is rarely spot-on anyway, try what Mr.BSI said and see which is closer but it might still be +/-5 C out even then.
What year/model is the car?
2004 RC
pug206lx wrote:
I had a look for you today but all I could find was:
separate oil temperature sensor Present
I can't find anything about the source. If you can point me in the right direction about where you found this setting i'll have another look for you.
It should be 2 lines below...
In this image (in italian) you have
separate oil temperature sensor Present
oil level sensor Present
origin of "oil temperature" information BSI
#24: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: pug206lx, Location: Taking a gearbox off somewherePosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:05 am ----
This is what I have. Mine is a 2003 GTi 138 so must be different to yours.
#25: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:51 pm ----
pug206lx wrote:
This is what I have. Mine is a 2003 GTi 138 so must be different to yours.
Did you press 'arrow-down' key on the keyboard?
Looks like there could be more settings further down there to me.
#26: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: pug206lx, Location: Taking a gearbox off somewherePosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:05 pm ---- I did, it only goes down to the last option in that picture
#27: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:50 pm ---- According to this schematic for 2004 RC instrument panel, the sensor goes to the BSI.
Makes sense because I don't think oil-temp is actually monitored for running of the engine, by the ECU.
#28: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: gpvecchi, Location: ItalyPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:36 am ----
pug206lx wrote:
I did, it only goes down to the last option in that picture
Have you tried sliding down with your mouse pointer? There's a sliding bar on the right...
V9977 wrote:
According to this schematic for 2004 RC instrument panel, the sensor goes to the BSI.
Makes sense because I don't think oil-temp is actually monitored for running of the engine, by the ECU.
I'm not sure that ECU doesn't need oil temp to correct maps...
#29: Re: Anyone with PP2000 please look here, need help... Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:15 pm ---- In any case oil temp sensor is connected directly to BSI module 2.
Since the BSI supplies all data to the cluster via VAN-bus anyway I don't see the issue. Unless you want to measure empiracly as Mr.BSI said and take your pick. Bear in mind, correlation on these gauges is way off, also due to the damping used, which will give wildly different readings compared to PP2000 data esp. until a value has settled for a while.
The sliding bar is misleading on that screen and if he's pressed arrow-down, that's the same thing as trying to move the slider.
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