#1: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:51 am ---- Hello,
I'm new to this forum!
I am going to look at a 2005 Hdi 1.6 GTi on Saturday with a view to buy it.
It's done 66k, full service history and just had a full pug service carried out.
I've read the issues with the DPF and seen how much it can cost at Peugeot, so as rule of thumb I always have a separate savings account for major car issues, so £750 will be kept for this. I've owned a mk1 mr2 for 7 years so I am familiar with keeping money for unexpected issues!
Are there any places in particular to look at for rust and mechanical issues?
As a member of two MR2 forums I know how valuable these forums are, I owe my life to some people for the issues they've sorted for me, so if I can help in the future I shall
Any feedback greatly appreciated!
#2: Re: About to buy car Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:07 am ---- Welcome.
I think most will tell you not to bother with the 1.6 and go with the 2.0 HDI but someone will give you more details.
I guess the main things to check are that the cambelt and water pump have been done and check the rear axle for play.
I've never known a 206 rust so should be fine there.
#3: Re: About to buy car Author: adam_w_1, Location: EssexPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:19 am ---- Aside from the DPF, I had a big spend when it came to replacing the clutch and flywheel (DMF). Cost near enough £1000 to get sorted - so worth watching for this!
Also worth listening for seized rear calipers (a fairly rhythmic squeak that varies with your speed, and may not always occur -tends to stop under braking) - that was priced at £180 per side (because changing the caliper involves other bits and bobs being done too).
Other than that, great cars - usably powerful and very easy to get more from with a remap, bearing the potential issues in mind!
#4: Re: About to buy car Author: adam_w_1, Location: EssexPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:20 am ---- Oh, and Welcome!
#5: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:31 am ---- Ahhh thanks for the quick replies.
I prefer the 1.6 mainly as it costs £100 for tax. Plus the 110hp over 90hp I prefer as well.
Clutches are non serviceable items so you're always going to have to replace one so that's not what I consider a major issue.
Rear calipers - another thing to go, my Mr2 is renowned for issues with those. I could change the calipers myself anyway or rebuild them.
I wouldn't go down the remap route, I start a new job in a fortnight and will be covering a minimum of 385 miles a week, so i plan to drive like a saint and get the most out of it. I will however blast it on a friday
My mr2 will be rebuilt over the winter so the money saved from a remap will go towards HKS cams, cam gears, HG and head work
#6: Re: About to buy car Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:38 am ---- Have a quick search on the forum and then wait for MrBSI or Seabook to come along.
They have many good reasons not to buy the 1.6 HDI engine.
#7: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:48 am ---- Great - Shall I look forward
#8: Re: About to buy car Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:51 am ---- as said above, don't buy the 1.6 HDi.
Turbo oil feed pipe tends to block up and blown the turbo (blame the wrong oil)
DMF are expensive to repair/replace when failed,
DPF/FAP nearly always goes wrong since that was the 1st gen design (which will cause a lot to replace or remove),
and also suffer from other common 206 problems as well
#9: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:53 am ---- Thanks lol
#10: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:00 am ---- I've replaced my engine 2 times in 5 years so I'm prepared for problems that may crop up.
I'm going to view it with a 10yr vehicle technician as well who'll plug it in to his diagnostic laptop too.
#11: Re: About to buy car Author: MrZiggerz, Location: Milton KeynesPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:40 am ----
206HdiGti wrote:
I've replaced my engine 2 times in 5 years so I'm prepared for problems that may crop up.
I'm going to view it with a 10yr vehicle technician as well who'll plug it in to his diagnostic laptop too.
Hes 10 and already a vehicle technician! Amazing things to come from that boy.
Welcome.
#12: Re: About to buy car Author: Matt, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:21 am ---- All ill say is you have been warned.
It seems you don't not wish to take onboard the comments of members here, so why bother asking? Also if you are taking a technician with you, again, why are you asking?
Oh and welcome I guess.
#13: Re: About to buy car Author: ARRAN, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:41 am ---- So. your going to put away £750 for the cost of the repairs when something goes wrong.. Why not put that £750 towards the 2.0 HDi, and not have to bother worrying about the common problems with the 1.6 110 GTi HDi?
#14: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:17 am ---- I wish I hadn't bothered asking.
#15: Re: About to buy car Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:18 am ----
ARRAN wrote:
So. your going to put away £750 for the cost of the repairs when something goes wrong.. Why not put that £750 towards the 2.0 HDi, and not have to bother worrying about the common problems with the 1.6 110 GTi HDi?
This.
So, your potentially looking at:
Rebuilt turbo: £500 +
(not factoring in that the wrong grade of engine oil could have sludged up the entire engine)
Removal or fix DPF system: £500 +
(haven't heard of a DPF removal of a 206 DV6 that has went without fault yet)
DMF: £1000
Plus other general 206 related issues.
Fair enough you might have money aside, but as a daily driver can you afford to have it off the road for days at a time if it's in getting fixed? Replacing the DMF is a massive job due to all the components of the DPF system that need to be removed to get the box out.
Having owned a DV6, I'd just buy a DW10 and get it mapped. Only known issue is the lower pulley which is a reasonably cheap fix and the engine itself is bullet proof.
Don't say you weren't warned
#16: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:22 am ---- Well I haven't seen the service history yet so it may have already been sorted out.
#17: Re: About to buy car Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:24 am ----
206HdiGti wrote:
I wish I hadn't bothered asking.
Why?
Your getting good advice from people with experience with these engines.
EDIT: f*** it CBA.
Good luck with it, I hope its a good car for you.
#18: Re: About to buy car Author: ARRAN, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:02 am ---- Why bother asking? There are many people on here who are very knowledgeable with HDi's, none of which would touch the 1.6 HDi, for many reasons which have been pointed out to you.
THEY ARE A MONEY PIT. Get that into your head. They have many "features", which were first put into production on this engine, meaning it acted as a form of "prototype". These engines had MANY problems which have been listed, FAP, DMF, turbo etc etc etc.. And you've only got to look at the newer HDi's which don't use the same "technology", to realise that its all a load of s**te.
You could put £750 towards a 2.0 HDi 90, which with an FMIC and a remap would probably push at least 130bhp, if not more (I'm not THAT clued up in HDi tuning). And you'd still have money to spare, without having to have a separate fund for "repairs". It seems silly that you have to have a fund for car repairs, if you keep money aside for car repairs, surely you'd think twice about buying it!
#19: Re: About to buy car Author: Andy_, Location: Isle of ManPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:07 am ---- Welcome , I'm sure if you looked you could find a decent 2.0 and use the 750 on tax and insurance.
Your money though
#20: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:20 am ---- I have no interest in remapping for extra power.
#21: Re: About to buy car Author: cartoonhead, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:21 am ---- i have a 2001 2.0 HDI and my tax is only £120 a year.
#22: Re: About to buy car Author: ARRAN, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:27 am ----
206HdiGti wrote:
I have no interest in remapping for extra power.
Okay.. so whats actually making you choose the 1.6 110 GTi HDi over the 2.0 HDi?
#23: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:28 am ---- low mileage and price
#24: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:31 am ---- I'm not ignoring your advice, I took much advice when I bought my current car many moons ago. People said it was going to be a money pit and would break down a lot, but its broken down 3 times in 7 years.
I respect you for your knowledge and experience, but some people do have good experiences of cars and I'm sure i'll be eating my words in a few months time if something happens.
#25: Re: About to buy car Author: ARRAN, Location: WiltshirePosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:46 am ---- I'm lost.. why come on here, ask advice on a particular engine, even understand yourself that its problematic, be given details on the problems this engine has, how expensive it can be to repair, and still go and buy it?!
Best of luck.. I guess. Although, a part of me can't wait for a "FAP/DMF/Turbo problem" thread appears on here, and everyone will say "told you so".
#26: Re: About to buy car Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:26 am ---- Welcome
I have no comment on the 1.6HDi as I have no experience of them. (pointless post? Probably lol)
If your heart is set on one, and you know the risks, then go for it, at least your prepared.
But, I have a 2.0 hdi and I dont believe the extra 20bhp from the 1.6 will make that much difference at all on normal day to day driving. And the MPG isnt that different.
1.6HDi - around 58MPG
2.0HDi - around 56MPG
#27: Re: About to buy car Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:41 am ---- is low mileage diesel a selling point? maybe true for the DV6 but certainly not quite true for the DW and XUD.
it is not uncommon for the DW and XUD diesel hit over 300K miles, if you look after it well.
The best example i have seen so far is over 470K miles on a C5.
3 breaks down over 7 years is quite a lot to me. Last edited by Seabook on Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:42 am; edited 1 time in total
#28: Re: About to buy car Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:42 am ---- You do know that a decent remap on a HDI will be way better economy than the 1.6 anyway
So for the sake of a remap you will have more than 110bhp AND better mpg AND a better engine - it's nice to be different but apart from that there is little point
#29: Re: About to buy car Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:49 am ----
adam_w_1 wrote:
Also worth listening for seized rear calipers (a fairly rhythmic squeak that varies with your speed, and may not always occur -tends to stop under braking) - that was priced at £180 per side (because changing the caliper involves other bits and bobs being done too).
£360 for 2 rear calipers???
#30: Re: About to buy car Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:55 am ----
E5GDM wrote:
adam_w_1 wrote:
Also worth listening for seized rear calipers (a fairly rhythmic squeak that varies with your speed, and may not always occur -tends to stop under braking) - that was priced at £180 per side (because changing the caliper involves other bits and bobs being done too).
£360 for 2 rear calipers???
about right i guess? i got 2 rebuild calipers cost me about 120 each (bosch), other brand is roughly half price.
labour+metal pipe+brake fluid+bleeding
#31: Re: About to buy car Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:04 am ---- 206 + diesel engine = DW10 everytime, bulletproof lump thats proven to do 400K + miles easily if looked after.
Anybody thinking of buying a FAPTASTIC piece of s**te 206 needs there straitjacket tightening.
The 1.6 HDI lump is the worse engine Peugeot ever fitted to the 206.
#32: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:08 am ----
Seabook wrote:
is low mileage diesel a selling point? maybe true for the DV6 but certainly not quite true for the DW and XUD.
it is not uncommon for the DW and XUD diesel hit over 300K miles, if you look after it well.
The best example i have seen so far is over 470K miles on a C5.
3 breaks down over 7 years is quite a lot to me.
3 breakdowns in 7 years on a car which is 22 years old and covered 191000 miles on the chassis.
#33: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:09 am ---- Vehicle technician is going to come with me as you don't look at a car by yourself as it's easy to miss things others might see. No he's not 10 years old lol.
I've been lead to believe the DPF is more likely to go tits up if you do short journeys?
#34: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:10 am ---- I have no interest in mapping a diesel any diesel car that I buy will be for economic reasons. I have my mr2 waiting to have its head gas flowed so if I was to modify any car it certainly wouldn't be a diesel.
#35: Re: About to buy car Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:11 am ---- You have already set your heart on buying it so there is no point is asking any more questions as you just ignore the advice given, END THREAD.
#36: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:13 am ---- I'm sorry for all the problems you have had with your cars.
#37: Re: About to buy car Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:16 am ----
206HdiGti wrote:
I have no interest in mapping a diesel any diesel car that I buy will be for economic reasons. I have my mr2 waiting to have its head gas flowed so if I was to modify any car it certainly wouldn't be a diesel.
Did you not read what I put?
Remap makes it MORE economical
#38: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:16 am ---- Yes I did read that thanks Harry.
#39: Re: About to buy car Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:19 am ---- So why did you say you don't want to remap it because you want it for economic reasons... even though it will improve economy?
You have to at least admit what you're saying makes no sense what so ever?
#40: Re: About to buy car Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:19 am ----
206HdiGti wrote:
Vehicle technician is going to come with me as you don't look at a car by yourself as it's easy to miss things others might see. No he's not 10 years old lol.
I've been lead to believe the DPF is more likely to go tits up if you do short journeys?
depends on what you mean by short.
10 mins drive above 50 mph is long enough for the dpf to regen.
And full tank each time will makes your dpf fluid tank last longer each time you fill up the tank( no matter how much diesel you put in ) will injector 1 shot of fluid into the tank.
he might be able to spot the dpf problem but it will be very hard to spot the turbo or dmf problem.
#41: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:54 am ---- I bought it for £2500 earlier today.
I will be getting a fully third party warranty on the car as well as my mate owns a car sales Company and can sell me a warranty for any mechanicals.
Aside from the apparent issues, goes bloody quick for a diesel.
I wouldn't feel safe in the GTi 180 petrol version
#42: Re: About to buy car Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:06 am ----
206HdiGti wrote:
I bought it for £2500 earlier today.
Right lets open the books now on how long till it goes wrong:
I say within 8 weeks
Any advances
#43: Re: About to buy car Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:22 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
206HdiGti wrote:
I bought it for £2500 earlier today.
Right lets open the books now on how long till it goes wrong:
I say within 8 weeks
Any advances
never know 206 still worth that kind of money, apart from cc and sw
#44: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:43 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
206HdiGti wrote:
I bought it for £2500 earlier today.
Right lets open the books now on how long till it goes wrong:
I say within 8 weeks
Any advances
Are you a betting man really?
Must admit jap car forums even when you've been warned about something people still support you after you buy it, don't bet when it's going to break down and wish bad luck upon you.
#45: Re: About to buy car Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:55 am ----
206HdiGti wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
206HdiGti wrote:
I bought it for £2500 earlier today.
Right lets open the books now on how long till it goes wrong:
I say within 8 weeks
Any advances
Are you a betting man really?
Must admit jap car forums even when you've been warned about something people still support you after you buy it, don't bet when it's going to break down and wish bad luck upon you.
Its a DV6 engined 206, enough said
You had enough warnings from different forum members but you set your heart on buying it & ignored all the good advice you where given.
Im looking forward to your first of many problem threads when it goes wrong.
#46: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:00 am ---- I won't be posting them on here anyway mainly due to the fact I know if I did there would be a hostile reception and I wouldn't get any help.
#47: Re: About to buy car Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:13 am ----
206HdiGti wrote:
I won't be posting them on here anyway mainly due to the fact I know if I did there would be a hostile reception and I wouldn't get any help.
So you'll use this site for the information that is already on it, but won't ask for help with your problems, which may ultimately help someone else in the future. Just another leech on the forum then.
Many people post on here and get the answers that they need, unless they are complete arses and think they know better than everyone else. At the end of the day it will be your loss for not using the cheapest Peugeot repair resource on the internet.
I'm sure your input will be missed greatly.
#48: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:02 pm ---- Well I've already bought the wrong car so my input will be unnecessary.
And all I'll get is 'I told you so'.
I have many friends who work in the automotive industry so i'll be fine.
#49: Re: About to buy car Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:41 pm ---- I cant imagine every 1.6 HDi engine being a load of trouble. You might end up with a good one. Treat it properly and I'm sure it will give good service.
#50: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:59 pm ----
Edward wrote:
I cant imagine every 1.6 HDi engine being a load of trouble. You might end up with a good one. Treat it properly and I'm sure it will give good service.
Thank you Edward
#51: Re: About to buy car Author: _LiJ_, Location: WarkzPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:47 pm ---- I had my 1.6hdi gti for over 4 years now and not had 1 problem!
I perform oil and filter changes every 6.5k!
Never skipped a beat!
One of the best cars Ive ever owned.
#52: Re: About to buy car Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:41 pm ---- Hi _LiJ_.
My DPF acted up 71 miles into my ownership lol - its being removed on Monday.
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