#1: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:24 am ---- My 206 has just failed its MOT quite badly, so just need to know how much I'm looking at for repairs as a guide (going back to the garage next week!)
Here's the main things it failed on....
- front anti roll bar linkage has excessive play ina pin/bush 2.4.G.2
- Offside front anti roll bar linkage has excessive play ina pin/bush 2.4.G.2
- Offside front anti roll bar linkage ball dust cover excessively damaged so that it no longer prevents the ingress of dirt 2.4.G.2
- Parking brake lever has no reserve travel 3.1.6b
- Rear brake application uneven 3.7.A.5c
- Parking brake efficiency below requirements 3.7.A.10
Seriously on the verge of a mental breakdown at how much this is gonna cost! Any advice muchos appreciated :o)
#2: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:35 am ---- both anti roll bar links are uder £20 from euro car parts
brakes will need strip down and cleaning new shoes/pads are quite cheap then rebuild and readjust the handbrake.
tbh its not that bad a list looks alot worse than it is.
are you doing yourself or getting garage to sort for you as that will be your biggest cost the parts are cheap its the labour cost that add up.
#3: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:37 am ---- 2 new front drop links. £40 fitted? Rear brake shoes need changing hand brake adjusting. Wouldn't cost much I would have thought.
#4: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:39 am ---- you could go onto euro car parts website put in your reg and get the price for the parts then you will have a rough idea of parts cost.
#5: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:54 am ---- Ill be getting all done at a garage- I don't know how to change a bulb never mind anything else ha! So scared I'm gonna get rinsed for hundreds- he said its half a days work x
#6: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:59 am ---- that sounds about right time wise as said parts will be 40-60 ish depending on where they get them from but if local motor factors (like most garages) that should be about right.
then its down to there labour costs
#7: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:04 am ---- So do you think inc labour it should be under £300?
#8: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:06 am ---- would like to think half that !!!!!
#9: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:17 am ---- Ah really, was scared my credit card was gonna have to take the beating of its life!!! Ha
#10: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:21 am ---- they should be able to give you a quote before they do the work, so if it seems a bit steep try elsewhere.
but its all easy work to sort out do you not have a mate/family member that could do the work for you for beer tokens.
#11: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:24 am ---- No I don't know anyone who could fix it on the cheap unfortunately! :o(
#12: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:28 am ---- you could allway put a thread up on here aksing if any in your area would be willing help you out.
or if they know of any garages that will not rip you off.
as said really its only simple jobs nothing majors at all.
#13: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:35 am ---- drop link will be 10-20 each;
about the rear brakes it depends whether you got drum or disc.
for drums it will be more expensive; drum will be around 40 each and shoe will be 30 per axle; bearing will 15 each.
disc i think is around 40 per axle and around 20 for pads.
around 1 hr labor top i guess?
#14: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:37 am ---- Nice to see another well maintained 206 on here
#15: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:41 am ---- Bore off if you have nothing constructive to say. Muppet
#16: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:46 am ---- TBH the drop links start making a noise when they are worn, but if the garage fit cheap ones then you might as well book it in now for 6 months time. Ask them to fit genuine Peugeot parts.
Most people can tell if the handbrake has excessive travel when the put it on, and if it doesn't hold the car on a hill then it's definitely time to get something done about it. It might just need adjusting behind the lever, possibly the auto adjusters have seized, stretched cables or might just be worn through neglect. Excessive travel and efficiency should be picked up when the car is serviced. Any mechanic worth their salt would also note if the shoes and pads were worn to the point where they are no longer effective. So as MrBS stated, could be down to poor maintenance.
Don't forget if you have drums to tell the garage that you want a new hub nut fitting. Far too many cowboys out there who don't do the job properly the first time round and then end up suffering later on
#17: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:53 am ----
niki945 wrote:
Bore off if you have nothing constructive to say. Muppet
& people wonder why I dont bother to help out on here any more
If the car was looked after / serviced correctly then all these items would have been picked up & it wouldnt have failed the mot test
#18: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:53 am ---- Thanks for the help :o)
#19: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:55 am ---- Zzzzzzzz!!!
#20: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:43 am ---- [quote="MrBSI"]
niki945 wrote:
Bore off if you have nothing constructive to say. Muppet
& people wonder why I dont bother to help out on here any more
quote]
Dont think i can ever remember you ever helping anyone out on here all i see is your negative comments!
#21: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: niki945, Location: MacclesfieldPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:46 am ---- Amen to that!!!
#22: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: dan_manu, Location: Flintshire, North WalesPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:48 am ---- MRBSI 'gods gift to the 206info site'
haha rather sad just to come on the site and b***h about everyone..
cars go wrong, whether there serviced or not !
#23: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:53 am ----
dan_manu wrote:
MRBSI 'gods gift to the 206info site'
haha rather sad just to come on the site and b***h about everyone..
cars go wrong, whether there serviced or not !
Less likely to have faults if they are looked after though.
Majority of people on here won't lift the bonnet once a week to check the levels or get down on their knees to check the tyre pressures. How many people can say that they are 100% certain that every bulb on their car is working correctly? The last time most of them will have lifted the bonnet is for their driving test, some of them won't even know where the bonnet release lever is.
#24: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: lee1985, Location: North WestPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:54 am ---- I've noticed he's rather sarcastic to everyone as well, seems as though he thinks he's better than everyone and "has his head on his shoulders" more than everyone else.
To be honest though, it's useless properly servicing a car unless there's a warranty that needs to be maintained.
Paying £150 for a full service and the further interim services and so on that is mostly just trying to tell you that you need new parts and replacing stuff like screenwash that you can do yourself. Tyre pressures, seat belts, liquid levels and the like can all be done without having to some professional to do it.
Without servicing, assuming you don't drive like a t**t, over the space of the year that £150 on the extra MOT bill probably saved you about 100 quid. Or at the least, you might have broke even.
With that you have the chance of being ripped off as seen on Watchdog, many of us aren't mehanically minded and have no access to family or friends who either are, or know mechanics.
So unless you own a BMW M5, I'd say servicing isn't really worth it.
#25: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: dan_manu, Location: Flintshire, North WalesPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:57 am ---- less likely but still possible and yeah because not everyone knows about cars. But MRBSI dosent have to answer questions, no one forces him so why does he b***h about everyone haha? Last edited by dan_manu on Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:09 pm; edited 2 times in total
#26: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:59 am ---- If you can travel into Manchester there is a member on here who you should talk to. Pm Cartoonhead.
#27: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:25 pm ---- [quote="HDI90"]
MrBSI wrote:
niki945 wrote:
Bore off if you have nothing constructive to say. Muppet
& people wonder why I dont bother to help out on here any more
quote]
Dont think i can ever remember you ever helping anyone out on here all i see is your negative comments!
that's because you joint info too late, newbie.
#28: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:51 pm ---- Add the service30 code to the Euro Car Parts prices and get 30% discount.
#29: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: 00budham00, Location: IpsPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:51 pm ----
broadblaster wrote:
would like to think half that !!!!!
100 mates rate
#30: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:20 pm ---- Repair costs will entirely depend on the rear brakes and what is wrong. It could be a single seized adjuster and no more than 1hr labour to fix that with no parts except the hub nut. Drop links are relatively easy and cheap(ish) though cost is all relative to disposable income.
However - if the rear brakes are ABS drums and the drums are badly worn with siezed adjusters and the handbrake cable on the way out then the parts alone including the front drop links are getting close to £150. And that is the price that you buy the parts for not the price the garage charge which is likely to be higher.
If this is a garage job it is getting close to £200 - £250 or more.
DO NOT use a brake and exhaust centre. Their parts prices will twice or even three times what people are quoting here. I was stood in a queue for tyres on my company car on Saturday and the guy in front was charged over £800 for new brakes front and rear on a Laguna. I am an ex-mechanic and seeing someone hand over a credit card just for brake work like that almost makes me return to the business. I even saw the boxes the parts came in and they are pattern parts so a massive profit margin even with their overheads.
#31: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:43 pm ---- Not servicing a car is insanity. Yes for those who know nothing there is the risk of getting ripped off. However, not servicing your car imports the risk of a crash due to unexpected failure. Using the MOT test as your single service is, in my opinion, bordering insanity.
A good example of what an MOT will not spot but regular servicing will prevent:-
MOT test does not do any checking of brake fluid contamination (brake fluid absorbs water) - the MOT brake test is is a VERY short one putting little or no heat into the braking system. Find a long hill and spend time riding the brakes descending it behind a lorry and find out what happens when all that water in your brake fluid starts to boil. The MOT test will not get your brakes hot enough to show you but a long or repeated brake application will - it is very scary.
As a teenager my brother had little money and never serviced his car or changed his brake fluid. He still has scars today from the crash that was caused because the brake fluid boiled and his brakes failed - my physical scars are healed but I will always remember seeing my brother with blood pouring from his head like the taps were turned on.
You want to reproduce the crash just try going down Porlock Hill as fast as only a teenager can and suddenly without brakes before you get to the bottom.
It is so sad that people drive cars without getting them serviced thinking all is well and they are saving hard earned cash. The time you discover that it isn't is in an emergency situation or the one time you are rushing some where.
Extract from wikipedia:-
"Porlock Hill is a section of the A39 west of the village of Porlock. The road climbs approximately 1,300 ft (400 m) in less than 2 miles (3.2 km) up onto Exmoor: a very steep hill with gradients of up to 1 in 4 and hairpin bends. "
Rant and hopefully warning over. Last edited by kandlbarrett on Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
#32: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:45 pm ----
kandlbarrett wrote:
Not servicing a car is insanity. Yes for those who know nothing there is the risk of getting ripped off. However, not servicing your car imports the risk of acrash due to unexpected failure. Using the MOT test as your single service is, in my opinion, bordering insanity.
A good example of what an MOT will not spot but regular servicing will prevent:-
MOT test does not do any checking of brake fluid contamination (brake fluid absorbs water) - the MOT brake test is is a VERY short one putting little or no heat into the braking system. Find a long hill and spend time riding the brakes descending it behind a lorry and find out what happens when all that water in your brake fluid starts to boil. The MOT test will not get your brakes hot enough to show you but a long or repeated brake application will - it is very scary.
As a teenager my brother had little money and never serviced his car or changed his brake fluid. He still has scars today from the crash that was caused because the brake fluid boiled and his brakes failed - my physical scars are healed but I will always remember seeing my brother with blood pouring from his head like the taps were turned on.
You want to reproduce the crash just try going down Porlock Hill and attacked as fast as only a teenager can and without brakes before you get to the bottom.
It is so sad that people drive cars without getting them serviced thinking all is well and they are saving hard earned cash. The time you discover that it isn't is in an emergency situation or the one time you are rushing some where.
Rant and hopefully warning over.
well said
#33: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:52 pm ---- Now counting to 10 and deep breathing exercises to calm down.
#34: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:46 pm ----
kandlbarrett wrote:
You want to reproduce the crash just try going down Porlock Hill as fast as only a teenager can and suddenly without brakes before you get to the bottom.
Porlock is bloody steep
Didnt he try & aim for one of the escape lanes?
#35: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: dan_manu, Location: Flintshire, North WalesPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:59 pm ---- jus change brake fluids every 2 years, or use a brake fluid checker as i did today, my brake fluid boils at 198 when Dot4 fluid needs to be atleast 150 so im all clear took me 5mins
#36: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:52 pm ---- MrBSI: it was 35 years ago and not so many escape lanes then; also as nothing more than a kid (17 years old) and me egging him on thinking he was just messing about (I was only 16) he thought he could make the bend(s). The Vauxhall VX490 (remember them) wasn't a pretty sight having rolled and no seat belts, no airbags and almost no safety cage - well not one that wasn't badly corroded we didn't fair well. The 13" gash with stitch scars across the top of his head is now revealed in all its glory as he is balding. His shoulder blade smashed into 6 pieces meant that he gave up his electricians apprenticeship because he couldn't and still can't raise his right arm above his head.
dan_mu: if you know how to check fluid then you are not likely to skimp on servicing and probably know enough to do it yourself. Also the boiling point is a good test but i have seen cars where the reservoir has been topped up and that looks good and tests good but the fluid in the callipers is like tar - if you change regularly you will be fine but those relying on MOT to spot danger will not get that and be unwittingly risking a lot..The post had drifted into not servicing your car and saving money by effectively relying on the MOT to spot defects and only doing the minimum. My original post was just intended as an example of one of the many thing that an MOT doesn't effectively test and is waiting as a trap for an emergency situation to let you down. There are several others but ICBA to explain them here.
Anyway this is not about brake fluid, sorry for hi-jacking the thread, please can we go back now to OP and how much the MOT failure is going to cost. Last edited by kandlbarrett on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:14 am; edited 1 time in total
#37: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: chuckstar34, Location: London/Worcester/ GrimsbyPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:17 pm ---- Interesting thread. But we have to accept not everyone is interested in mechanics but they still need a car. Agreed its important to service vehicles for lots of reasons, safety, economy and reliability, but people just arent that bothered or have no idea even to do basic checks that would pull up and issues.
Maybe there's a market for a pit stop type place that does the tyre kick and oil dip for you and lets you know? like a car wash, drive in have a wash and then you drive past a few guys who do level checks and stuff?
Maybe we should do a vid and put it on Utube on how to do basic checks and what to look for? Maybe there is. Maybe 206info should organise a school day at a meet for newbies or people wanting to learn??
Just ideas...happy to help if i can....or bore people riggid.
#38: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: chuckstar34, Location: London/Worcester/ GrimsbyPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:34 pm ---- There are videos on how to to do basic checks...saturday mechanic is one. Its american and I dont like some of what he says or what he doesnt do or tell you .
Maybe we should do our own one!
#39: Re: MOT FAIL!! Help with costs please!!! Author: rick-gti, Location: welshpool, mid walesPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:54 am ---- Watch wheeler dealers, i learned some stuff off there. Im no mechanic and have never done any engineering in college, and i can strip an engine and rebuild it and strip brakes ect ect. I have learned from tv programs and books.
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