#1: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:20 pm ---- In simple... what could be causing this..?
I've looked at the geometry readings and the passenger side front end it out of alignment by a full degree with negative camber.
Tom (shortstuff) did mention it could well be the top mounts..? GTi180boy a.k.a Kyle Hemming, did fit the kit to the car so it was all checked over before fitting it.
Can't quite understand what could be causing it. All input would be greatly appreciated.
#2: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:38 pm ---- Track Rod Ends? I think if there knackered they can cause geometry problems.
#3: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:05 pm ---- Track rod ends will not affect camber they are used to adjust toe.
The only things on this car that will affect camber are top mounts or wishbones. Camber is not adjustable!
I guess a crash and damaged subframe or misaligned body could also affect camber but let's not go there.
#4: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:14 pm ---- camber is height dependent as well, are both side the same height when you measure the camber?
#5: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:23 pm ---- Seabrook - yes that is another option.
#6: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:26 pm ---- The cars never been in an accident. But the car is lowered 40mm on the front on Eibach Pro Kit Springs and Shocks and the Geometry was done post lowering.
The drivers side reading was within the correct perimeters. .36 degrees (iirc off the top of my head). Where as the passenger side is 1.36 degrees.
Wishbones have been checked and they all check out fine.
But I'm checking everything out tomorrow and stripping the passenger side down to check everything out.
#7: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:53 pm ---- As Seabrook stated put the car on level ground and measure ground to wheel arch height.
#8: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:22 pm ----
kandlbarrett wrote:
As Seabrook stated put the car on level ground and measure ground to wheel arch height.
Centre of the hub is a better place to measure from. If you measure from the ground you have to allow for any difference in the sidewall of the tyre which may be due to difference in pressures or a weaker side wall.
And it's SEABOOK
#9: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:47 pm ----
Everyone love Seabrook
#10: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:49 am ----
Uz wrote:
The drivers side reading was within the correct perimeters. .36 degrees (iirc off the top of my head). Where as the passenger side is 1.36 degrees.
It was probably built like that.
#11: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:50 am ----
Uz wrote:
The drivers side reading was within the correct perimeters. .36 degrees (iirc off the top of my head). Where as the passenger side is 1.36 degrees.
It was probably built like that.
#12: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:41 am ---- How is camber adjusted?
#13: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:43 am ---- How is camber adjusted?
#14: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:01 pm ---- Without fitting special parts, it isn't. It will need different lower arms with adjustable mountings or top mounts that allow the struts to be aligned at more/less angle.
I think lowering any car increases negative camber .. it has on my Alfa anyway.
#15: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:10 pm ---- Has no one thought about the fact the sensors might not have been calibrated?
Side note when doing the ZCU rear axle recall on bippers, every and i mean every one is 1 degree of camber out on the N/S/R and yes it is calibrated.
Some cars are just built like that.
Side note, if you rotate the wheel 90 degrees does the camber turn to the opposite?
#16: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Shortstuff, Location: GloucesterPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:22 am ---- Just FYI.
Track Rod ends were replaced recently
Drop links and top mounts were replaced at time of lowering but with unipart ones. Probably done 15k on them.
When you say, sensor, if you mean from the tracking machine, It was done by Pro tyre, who in Gloucester have the best kit going.
You Can also see the difference in Camber just by eye.
Hope any of my information can help.
#17: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Shortstuff, Location: GloucesterPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:28 am ----
#18: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:50 am ---- Thanks for the input Tom with the information and the pictures.
I'm going to be jacking it up later today and getting the wheels off and checking everything over.
I doubt this car has been built like this... only because I've had silly amounts of 206s whether they're damaged or not and I've never seen camber like this...
I'm getting rid of the hideous wheels off it this weekend with a set of Pro Race 1's. I'm also buying an FK AK Supertech Street Coilover kit which I'm buying as a precaution incase it's got a bent strut. The reason I've bought the kit is because no one actually does individual shocks from the eibach kits.
The wheel on full lock has rubbed a large chunk out of the arch liner from where it has been catching and the car is pulling to one side when my dad was putting the brakes on.
#19: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Shortstuff, Location: GloucesterPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:16 am ---- Not a problem
Hideous wheels? No they are the true 180 wheels Hahaha.
Im looking forward to seeing the end result :).
In all fairness, I regretted not having coilovers as I always wanted the front 5-10mm lower.
#20: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:52 am ---- I have never looked that close under a 206 but does the front subframe have larger holes than bolts holding it in place.
Some cars do and moving the subframe will affect camber and castor.
It will of course affect camber on both sides increasing one and decreasing the other. Is that an option?
Also are you 100% it isn't just a buckled wheel as hinted at in earlier posts as that would fool the alignment equipment.
#21: Re: Camber to Passenger Side... Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:53 am ---- Another reason, check for play in the wheel bearing eg spin the wheel up and hold the spring to feel for roughness
Place a spirit level against the hub (disc removed) and see what it looks like. Crude but does work
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No they are the true 180 wheels 
Hahaha. 
