#1: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: GTSX, Location: Department 79Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:31 am ---- What are the key differences between the GTi 180 and the GTi?
What are the common problems if any with the GTi 180 and what should you look out for if buying one?
Thanks
#2: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: dan_manu, Location: Flintshire, North WalesPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:13 am ---- gti 180's are 180bhp and gti's are around 138 bhp
and there french so a lot can go wrong
#3: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:22 am ----
dan_manu wrote:
gti 180's are 180bhp and gti's are around 138 bhp
and there french so a lot can go wrong
That's the funniest post I've ever seen on here
Have a search bud, any answer you want on this will have been answered many times before.
If you want to performance modify buy a Gti if you want something good out of the box buy a 180.
#4: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: GTSX, Location: Department 79Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:40 am ---- I do (and have) mod cars but well I'm looking at the out the box option for the 206 at present.
Yes I guess most things will have been covered but my search didn't come up with the answers I was looking for?
Key differences in the 2 models?
Big_Rich180 are you saying the normal GTi can be tuned for the extra 50 bh? What can you tune the 180 to?
#5: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:44 am ---- The 180's are an a**e to get power out of unless you have lots of monies, Gti's seem to be easier to get power out of for less money.
But the 180 is better handling and better spec out of the box....most are also only 160(ish) BHP from the factory, im not sure if the Gti's make the quoted power or not.
(In the good old days comments like this would spark a good old fashioned ruckus )
#6: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:03 am ----
GTSX wrote:
Big_Rich180 are you saying the normal GTi can be tuned for the extra 50 bh? What can you tune the 180 to?
the same.
because they are roughly the same engine.
#7: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:46 am ----
dan_manu wrote:
gti 180's are 180bhp and gti's are around 138 bhp
and there french so a lot can go wrong
You have a lot to learn matey, find me a 180 that actually produces 180bhp out of the factory with no modifications and I will give you a million pound.
#8: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: coopskin, Location: Hull, East YorkshirePosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:05 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
You have a lot to learn matey, find me a 180 that actually produces 180bhp out of the factory with no modifications and I will give you a million pound.
Or you could give me my money back, you scammer
#9: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:10 am ----
coopskin wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
You have a lot to learn matey, find me a 180 that actually produces 180bhp out of the factory with no modifications and I will give you a million pound.
Or you could give me my money back, you scammer
GIVE ME BACK MY SON!!!
#10: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:51 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
im not sure if the Gti's make the quoted power or not.
My 138 made 160bhp ish on the rollers at Ecosse with just an exhaust, manifold and ported head
#11: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:07 am ----
Edward wrote:
Big_Rich180 wrote:
im not sure if the Gti's make the quoted power or not.
My 138 made 160bhp ish on the rollers at Ecosse with just an exhaust, manifold and ported head
Well it would with a ported head
#12: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: GTSX, Location: Department 79Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:18 pm ---- So is it worth me getting excited about buying a 180 or should I just accept it's got 4 wheels with tyres on?
#13: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:23 pm ---- Of course its worth getting excited for, I've not had mine for 3 years and 3 cars and I still cant beat its character.
#14: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:46 pm ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Of course its worth getting excited for, I've not had mine for 3 years and 3 cars and I still cant beat its character.
You mean the lazy character that decides when it cant be arsed doing anything to just brake down?
#20: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Lewis, Location: Isle Of WightPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:09 am ---- get a VXR. Booostttt
#21: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:13 pm ----
Lewis wrote:
get a VXslooow. It needs Booostttt
#22: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Lewis, Location: Isle Of WightPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:28 am ---- Know what torque feels like? Didn't think so
#23: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Howey, Location: Kings LynnPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:39 am ----
Lewis wrote:
Know what torque feels like? Didn't think so
Is 350Nm a good torque figure?
#24: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:47 am ---- I have 250NM in my daily *yawn* lol
Know what going round a corner fast feels like
#25: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: JamieM, Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:49 am ---- I had 315 LB/FT - 427 NM In my old Focus ST bwaaaar Pop.
The 180 is around 160+
138 is probably 120+
Get a 138 they're more tuneable lololol - if you want 180 stock figures. Like with most N/A cars they're money pits to get +BHP.
#26: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:59 am ---- ahh this old chestnut
i drove both when i was looking at buying a gti. the 180 felt like a much better drive not just the power but the steering,gearchange,brakes,,seats etc
so i bought the 180 version
#27: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:07 am ---- in answer to the original question.
differences on the 180 over the normal gti
heavier power steering (gives a much better feel)
bigger brakes
traction control (although some later 138's had this)
stiffer/lower suspension
much better rear axle with the extra support arms and bigger torsion bars/arb
bigger wheels (although some may consider this a downside)
gear change is done by cable not rods (feels so much more positive)
longer first gear
much more supportive seats and nicer interior
more power as standard
electronic folding mirrors
leahter speedo cover, micro carbon dash trim, micro carbon mirror caps, twin exhaust tailpipes, boot spoiler as standard etc
was told when we went to the factory in coventry the 180 has loads of extra welds to make the shell stiffer too
#28: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:33 am ----
rttam wrote:
was told when we went to the factory in coventry the 180 has loads of extra welds to make the shell stiffer too
That's the biggest myth ever when it comes to 206's. It does have extra welding - on the boot floor for the additional exhaust mounts!
#29: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:27 am ----
Edward wrote:
rttam wrote:
was told when we went to the factory in coventry the 180 has loads of extra welds to make the shell stiffer too
That's the biggest myth ever when it comes to 206's. It does have extra welding - on the boot floor for the additional exhaust mounts!
i wasnt sure but when we saw the 206's being built at the factory the 180/rc models went onto a seperate part of the production line and into a booth the guy just said they have to have something like 15 or 16 extra welds on the shell
#30: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:36 am ---- Yep...all spot welds under the boot floor!
#31: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:46 am ----
Edward wrote:
Yep...all spot welds under the boot floor!
ah right he didnt really seem to know just said he assumed they were for strengthning or something.
#32: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:02 pm ---- not unless he got the 206 cup chassie
#33: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Lewis, Location: Isle Of WightPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:56 pm ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
I have 250NM in my daily *yawn* lol
Know what going round a corner fast feels like
Haha.. Of course Mattie, limited slip diff and bilstein set up - Nurburgring
#34: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:21 pm ----
Lewis wrote:
Mattie-RS wrote:
I have 250NM in my daily *yawn* lol
Know what going round a corner fast feels like
Haha.. Of course Mattie, limited slip diff and bilstein set up - Nurburgring
Pfft gaaay
#35: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:39 pm ----
rttam wrote:
Edward wrote:
Yep...all spot welds under the boot floor!
ah right he didnt really seem to know just said he assumed they were for strengthning or something.
We had an old guy take us round Ryton. He said the factory would stay open for years and years making the 206 at the same time as the 207 was being built. How wrong was he...
#36: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:44 pm ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
I have 250NM in my daily *yawn* lol
Know what going round a corner fast feels like
475nm
#37: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:48 pm ----
rttam wrote:
in answer to the original question.
differences on the 180 over the normal gti
heavier power steering (gives a much better feel)
bigger brakes
traction control (although some later 138's had this)
stiffer/lower suspension
much better rear axle with the extra support arms and bigger torsion bars/arb
bigger wheels (although some may consider this a downside) gear change is done by cable not rods (feels so much more positive)[b][i]
longer first gear
much more supportive seats and nicer interior
more power as standard
electronic folding mirrors
leahter speedo cover, micro carbon dash trim, micro carbon mirror caps, twin exhaust tailpipes, boot spoiler as standard etc
was told when we went to the factory in coventry the 180 has loads of extra welds to make the shell stiffer too
the gearchange on mine was horrid! it was something i always wanted to sort out, it used to get stuck in reverse and take a good tug to get it in neutral
#38: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:02 pm ----
Dan- wrote:
Mattie-RS wrote:
I have 250NM in my daily *yawn* lol
Know what going round a corner fast feels like
475nm
Even gayer
Mines a van lol
#39: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:05 pm ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
I have 250NM in my daily *yawn* lol
Know what going round a corner fast feels like
didnt think tow trucks are aloud to let the cars occupants sit in there vehicle on tow
#40: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:09 pm ----
Dan- wrote:
Mattie-RS wrote:
I have 250NM in my daily *yawn* lol
Know what going round a corner fast feels like
didnt think tow trucks are aloud to let the cars occupants sit in there vehicle on tow
I drive the van while it tows the Clio until it gets to track of course
#41: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:13 pm ---- hehe least you can tow yours im going to have to drive mine with 4 wheels in back :'(
#42: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:16 pm ---- Was one of the reasons for the new van
And bonus it came with a tow bar loads of room in back for wheels tools etc
#43: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:20 pm ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
Was one of the reasons for the new van
And bonus it came with a tow bar loads of room in back for tools, tools and more tools also a spare parts counter
fixed for ya
#44: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:42 pm ---- 184Nm
The shear power. Side note they say it can only do 119?! Yet ive had more (private roads totally)
#45: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:08 pm ---- ive had 165 out of mine went down to auto-drone:P Last edited by Dan- on Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:11 pm; edited 1 time in total
#46: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: GTSX, Location: Department 79Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:09 pm ---- Well I got the 180.
Steering, brakes, suspension and transmission (gear change) all feel good and positive as posted about earlier.
The power's nothing to brag about though!
I thought GT meant Grand Tourismo but the seats are way from comfortable. I've just done a bit over 400 miles in it (only stopped for a short break) and ache like hell!
#47: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:13 pm ---- good choice really the seats are lovely! i managed 400 miles in mine with no stop so comfy
#48: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:14 pm ---- get some pics up
#49: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:27 pm ---- the power well it depends on what you are compaireing it to really ???
from a scoob like dans then no it will feel flat but against a 1.1 it will feel fast.
you do need to rev the nuts off them to get them shifting
#50: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: SinfulDesignCom, Location: Ashford, KentPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:28 pm ---- Modded my last GTi a LOT, granted I had fun doing it, but wish I had bought a 180 first off. Got a 180 now, and it is so much better. But then, you give a car over to the boys at Lotus and you are going to get some improvements.
The original engine Lotus came up with was over 200bhp, but needed an oil cooler and Peugeot weren't prepared to add this as the purchase price was capped...
#51: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:32 pm ---- i went up from a gti to a 180 and noticed the extra power, mainly the midrange that was improved, imagine that to be the vvt!
#52: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:33 pm ----
SinfulDesignCom wrote:
Modded my last GTi a LOT, granted I had fun doing it, but wish I had bought a 180 first off. Got a 180 now, and it is so much better. But then, you give a car over to the boys at Lotus and you are going to get some improvements.
The original engine Lotus came up with was over 200bhp, but needed an oil cooler and Peugeot weren't prepared to add this as the purchase price was capped...
a lotus engine!! thats something new to me! after 6months of not having the car im still finding bits out
#53: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:35 pm ----
SinfulDesignCom wrote:
Modded my last GTi a LOT, granted I had fun doing it, but wish I had bought a 180 first off. Got a 180 now, and it is so much better. But then, you give a car over to the boys at Lotus and you are going to get some improvements.
The original engine Lotus came up with was over 200bhp, but needed an oil cooler and Peugeot weren't prepared to add this as the purchase price was capped...
Like aston helped design the RCZ?
Till i see it on paper or respectable website, i highly doubt that bud
#54: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:36 pm ---- tbh i have never driven the 138 gti but i find the 180's plenty quick enough if driven with vigour.
#55: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:50 pm ---- the 180 love the red line i havnt hit the rev limiter in the scoob yet, i was bouncing of it in the 180 every night, pop pop pop i miss the sound
#56: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:54 pm ---- yep they love to rev lol lol on your scoob there is just no need to get anywhere near the red line.
#57: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:58 pm ---- true, until i fit a bigger turbo the vf35 drops of boost at about 6.5k still have 1k revs unused!
#58: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: JamieM, Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:29 pm ---- I heard that rumour about Lotus influence from a guy who used to work for Peugeot before I even heard it off anyone from on here and as the guy in question was a good friend and he had inside info I kind of believe it. Then again it could be insider bulls**t info...
Never ever hit the limiter in my 180, if on a run I will go close to the redline though. On overrun it pops.
Does bouncing off the limiter make any difference *not that I'm about to do it* pops enough on it's own.
#59: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Dan-, Location: BiggleswadePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:47 pm ---- not really i just liked the sound, doesnt really pin point out the bang it makes in the vid
#60: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: SinfulDesignCom, Location: Ashford, KentPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:55 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
SinfulDesignCom wrote:
Modded my last GTi a LOT, granted I had fun doing it, but wish I had bought a 180 first off. Got a 180 now, and it is so much better. But then, you give a car over to the boys at Lotus and you are going to get some improvements.
The original engine Lotus came up with was over 200bhp, but needed an oil cooler and Peugeot weren't prepared to add this as the purchase price was capped...
Like aston helped design the RCZ?
Till i see it on paper or respectable website, i highly doubt that bud
I am not saying it's a "Lotus engine" here!!! They just took it and made some tweaks to the car. It's not b/s at all. Lotus are, after all, just a bunch of guys in Norfolk... not quite Aston Martin...
#61: Re: GTi 180 V's GTi Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:11 am ---- Lotus would never put their name to that! Their engineering consultancy dept is one of the best on the world.
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