#1: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Gheatley01, Location: StaffordshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:22 am ---- Hi All,
Am quite new to forum and this is my first post so bear with me..
I have for sometime now been thinking of doing my own V6 convertion, i know this has been done a few times before by Gary Stone at CCC but i wanted to do it myself
I run my own peugeot second hand spare business that speicalise in 406 v6's and 206 GTI's so getting the parts together will be the easy part.
I have got a gti 180 on a 53 as my selected car for the conversion. Then i have got a complete 406 D9 V6 as the donor car.
Im not a stranger to some hard graft and was an electrician by trade. So am hoping i can work my way through this with a bit of guidence here and there from people.
Now then i quite confident that im going to get it all sat in the engine bay fine. My biggest concern is the intergrating the ecu and engine wiring.
I got the D9 engine running on a pallet but did not want to swap the loom in the 180. I have seen on youtube that a d9 conversion has been done.
So my question is does anyone know where i would start on the wiring??
cheers gav
#2: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Howey, Location: Kings LynnPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:32 am ---- I would probably start with pre-plexed GTI 138 tbh. The electrics will be simpler.
#3: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Gheatley01, Location: StaffordshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:36 am ---- Thanks for that but i've already commited to the car now.
What could you recommend? Or do you know of somewhere i can find it out.
Cheers
#4: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:38 am ---- I am the owner of the 206 d9 done by Gary stone
#5: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Gheatley01, Location: StaffordshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:41 am ---- Hi DeadEyePaul,
Do you have any advise for me on how i could go about sorting the electrics out for this? Whats it like?
#6: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:50 am ---- I wouldn't know where to start with the wiring but if you click the picture in my Sig
.you can see my progress thread towards the end page 9ish you will start to see pictures of the project in progress!
All I can say it's a absolute monster and I love every drive every corner all the time, it is soo much fun to drive
#7: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:00 am ----
DeadEyePaul wrote:
A mass of un needed spaghetti wiring
Wiring it in
I wish good luck to anyone attempting this job on their own!!! I'm horrified!
#8: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Gheatley01, Location: StaffordshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:30 am ---- looks like this project is going involve a lot of swearing! do you know what they did ECU wise then? did they use the d9 engine ecu? or both?
Could you email me the wiring pics over so i can have a closer look. Some close up pics of the fuse box and engine ecu would be nice
Cheers
#9: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:45 am ---- Pm your email address and I will try and take some tomorrow and forward you the pictures as I am going to work soon and it will be dark later- the ecu had to be replaced after engine was running as it wouldnt rev past 1, 000
#10: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: JamieM, Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:56 am ---- No offence - You're going to ruin a getting rarer 180 and stick a V6 in it? :S.
Why not sell the 180 and buy a cheap 138 or base model to ruin lol.
#11: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Gheatley01, Location: StaffordshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:20 am ---- Hi Jamie,
Having owned and driven many 140s and 180s i would pick the 140 everytime.
Not only are they nicer to drive there cheaper to run and maintain!
#12: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: L5_UKS, Location: West MidlandsPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:09 am ----
Gheatley01 wrote:
Hi Jamie,
Having owned and driven many 140s and 180s i would pick the 140 everytime.
Not only are they nicer to drive there cheaper to run and maintain!
Why did you pick the 180 then? :S
#13: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Gheatley01, Location: StaffordshirePosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:38 am ---- I've got a mate that was selling one cheap. Its the colour i wanted and the body work is good.
#14: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: anton1989, Location: west midlandsPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:14 am ---- contact Gary stone. he will have all the answers. only thing you will get from here is plp moaning at you for "wrecking" a 180.
keep us updated though
#15: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: qwert, Location: ukPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:24 am ----
JamieM wrote:
No offence - You're going to ruin a getting rarer 180 and stick a V6 in it? :S.
Why not sell the 180 and buy a cheap 138 or base model to ruin lol.
GTi180 rare? Huh?
#16: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:29 pm ----
qwert wrote:
JamieM wrote:
No offence - You're going to ruin a getting rarer 180 and stick a V6 in it? :S.
Why not sell the 180 and buy a cheap 138 or base model to ruin lol.
GTi180 rare? Huh?
#17: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: JamieM, Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:38 pm ----
Gheatley01 wrote:
Hi Jamie,
Having owned and driven many 140s and 180s i would pick the 140 everytime.
Not only are they nicer to drive there cheaper to run and maintain!
Oh RLY please tell me more about how the 138's are nicer to drive and cheaper to run and maintain than the top of the range 180 model...
I've only ever owned the 180 but driven the 138 back to back thought it was about as much fun as w**king in a freezer.
anton1989 wrote:
contact Gary stone. he will have all the answers. only thing you will get from here is plp moaning at you for "wrecking" a 180.
keep us updated though
Defo because it is.
What are the gains unless the 180 engine is dead..? might aswell try and be different with one of the lesser models .They don't sound anything like an R32 ect (good) either and I reckon they won't be any quicker ect so seems a waste of time to me.
qwert wrote:
JamieM wrote:
No offence - You're going to ruin a getting rarer 180 and stick a V6 in it? :S.
Why not sell the 180 and buy a cheap 138 or base model to ruin lol.
GTi180 rare? Huh?
Rarer - they aren't exactly what you'd call common are they?
Either way it's his money but imo it's a waste of a top spec 206. Why not pwn a lesser spec one?
Mattie-RS wrote:
qwert wrote:
JamieM wrote:
No offence - You're going to ruin a getting rarer 180 and stick a V6 in it? :S.
Why not sell the 180 and buy a cheap 138 or base model to ruin lol.
GTi180 rare? Huh?
Lol shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
#18: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:14 pm ----
I actually agree with Jamie (shock I know)
#19: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: JamieM, Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:56 pm ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
:-P
I actually agree with Jamie (shock I know)
You trollin me?
#20: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:22 pm ----
JamieM wrote:
Mattie-RS wrote:
:-P
I actually agree with Jamie (shock I know)
You trollin me?
Haha naah serious! Not worth it for an under powered V6
#21: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: JamieM, Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:27 pm ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
JamieM wrote:
Mattie-RS wrote:
:-P
I actually agree with Jamie (shock I know)
You trollin me?
Haha naah serious! Not worth it for an under powered V6
Haha
Jamie likes this
#22: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Nic_206, Location: cleaning the carPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:30 am ---- Jamie I know your saying there wouldn't be much difference between a v6 and a 180 but believe me there is! Mine was put up against one and it left it for dead no matter what gear the pull was from and with a simple map the d9 engine can easily hit 240 Bhp with a map alone, mine is the earlier d8 type but I've been having a play and it should chuck some healthy figures out if I get it rr'd just my 2p and to Gheatley01 why haven't you gone for the earlier d8 would be much easier to wire? Good luck mate!
#23: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:47 am ---- It just doesnt suit a hot hatch...therefore the engine needs to go in an SW Si...compact V6 estate. What more could a man want?
#24: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: JamieM, Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:27 am ----
Nic_206 wrote:
Jamie I know your saying there wouldn't be much difference between a v6 and a 180 but believe me there is! Mine was put up against one and it left it for dead no matter what gear the pull was from and with a simple map the d9 engine can easily hit 240 Bhp with a map alone, mine is the earlier d8 type but I've been having a play and it should chuck some healthy figures out if I get it rr'd just my 2p and to Gheatley01 why haven't you gone for the earlier d8 would be much easier to wire? Good luck mate!
When you say 'left it for dead' do you mean 'left it for dead' or just a car length in front?
I beat a Jaguar XJ220 in my 180 the other week do you believe me?
Vid's or it didn't happen.
Personally getting back to OP's original q' the reason I say it's a waste of a 180 is...
I don't think the V6 suits the 206 chassis like Edward says. I just can't see the point... I'd understand it more if he was shoe horning it in to a base model shell or a dead gti/180... but removing a EW10J4S for a V6? waste of a decent hot hatch.
V6 lumps are for big heavy cruisers really, not for blasting around country lanes in a crisp packet. I'd imagine on a stock map for it to be a lazy ass engine with p**s poor power figures being a Peugeot/Citroen lump. I don't think the engine characteristics would suite the chassis.
#25: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:39 am ---- Only V6 I'd use is the clio V6 as its a Renault Sport tuned for a small hatch
#26: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: anton1989, Location: west midlandsPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:46 pm ----
JamieM wrote:
anton1989 wrote:
contact Gary stone. he will have all the answers. only thing you will get from here is plp moaning at you for "wrecking" a 180.
keep us updated though
Defo because it is.
What are the gains unless the 180 engine is dead..? might aswell try and be different with one of the lesser models .They don't sound anything like an R32 ect (good) either and I reckon they won't be any quicker ect so seems a waste of time to me.
lol he owns his own peugeot second hand spare business so im guessing the 180 was scrap or along them lines.
the 180 is not rare at all. there is a s**t load for sale.
and he is doing it so no point saying how he should of used the normal gti. this is why no1 bothers with this site much. he asked for some help with wiring and got moaned at for something else.
what i said would happen happend
saying all that i agree with you jamie lol.
#27: Re: Attempting my own V6 conversion Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:34 pm ---- So gav...if you follow these guys amd see a benefit in using a 138 and not the 180 then depending on things.i would be happy to trade my 138 for your 180.mines a 2002. Witj t and t and only 75000 miles..
Just its there if you change your mind and things are right both ways......
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Only V6 I'd use is the clio V6 as its a Renault Sport tuned for a small hatch
