#16: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:53 am ----
nemesislee wrote:
ive just tested my brakes again and noticed that when i press the brake pedal in when the car is turned off the pedal eventually tightens up again. But when i turn the engine on it goes slack again. another thing i noticed is that when i press the pedal in when the car is on there is a loud air like noise coming from the passenger footwell. Kinda like pressing on a foot pump?
Sounds normal.
#17: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:06 am ----
Edward wrote:
nemesislee wrote:
ive just tested my brakes again and noticed that when i press the brake pedal in when the car is turned off the pedal eventually tightens up again. But when i turn the engine on it goes slack again. another thing i noticed is that when i press the pedal in when the car is on there is a loud air like noise coming from the passenger footwell. Kinda like pressing on a foot pump?
Sounds normal..
... for a Peugeot.
#18: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:57 am ---- So youve had the drums off and inspected the slave and shoes etc.???and with the car running you can pump and pump the brake pedal and it doesnt harden up and hold hard.???and your handbrake is inopperative.???and your getting air escaping somewhere near the footwell.???or it sounds like youve got all this going on but havnt actualy had the drums off.???
because it sounds like multiple problems... one major problem...being the abs pump and associated pipe leakage...if the pedal will not firm up when running that can only be a fluid leak...and with a pipe advisory before the leak could be in that area.???
Get the car so you can look under it well and get someone to pump brake pedal and follow the pipe backover until u spot the leak...its gotta be there somewhere...
#19: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: nemesislee, Location: stokePosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:53 pm ---- Dude I'm not a mechanic nor have the tools to do all that stuff and its Christmas too I'm taking it to the garage and asking them about the useful things that people have told me from here so that they know where to start, thanks for both your advice and moaning
#20: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: nemesislee, Location: stokePosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:45 am ---- well garage called front brake pads shot, rear drums shot, cv boot shot, front struts shot, brake cylinder shot, all in all £500 garage bill, £300 if i just want the brakes so that i can get it to a scrap yard
#21: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: 20Drift, Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:22 am ---- Man, that sucks!
Can't you get it on insurance and then get a payout to replace it?
#22: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: nemesislee, Location: stokePosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:23 am ---- have no idea :S going to have to stick it on ye old credit and find a way to get rid of the debt lol.
#23: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:43 am ---- Did they actualy say £300 to get brakes to take it to scrappy???and whats that about insurance???it would be a first for me to hear of insurance covering this fault...even fully comp will use up excess and no claims if they were to agree to it....unless u have it on a warranty you will have to get your finger out mate...they were takin the mick u know...if they said about brakes and scrappy???but unfortunately the £500 part would be about right....
#24: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: nemesislee, Location: stokePosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:21 am ---- yeah they told me £300 to get the brakes to a useable condition it was me who would take it to the scrappy then lol tis all i need lol great start to the year, no all i need is for it to fail the MOT in june. another question should be a real easy one.
when i park my car facing down a hill and it rains i get a rather big puddle in my drivers side footwell. is this something to do with the way that the water drains though the car door? it baffles me as if i face upwards its fine :). no biggy though just shouting for simple ideas other than a cloth
hahah thanks for the suggestions made it easier for the garage to spot the faults and more
#25: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:23 am ---- Ring the scrapyard and ask them to collect it. Nearly all of them have a transporter.
#26: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:27 pm ---- Handbrake cable suddenly having a lot of play and no resistance is either a broken cable or failed auto adjuster in the rear drum. If your rear brakes are drums the auto adjusters on the rear are a bit strange and can suddenly fail.
The garage stated failed brake cylinder. Was that a failed cylinder on a wheel (if so which wheel) or failed master cylinder.
In an earlier post you stated that you know your front pads are relatively new. If you are confident in that and they have done less than 15,000 miles the garage aren't being totally honest about that. If they aren't being honest about that what else are they fibbing about.
You might ask on here if someone nearby will fix it for you:-
buypartsbuy quoted prices for your car parts are:-
Front pads - £17 (full set)
Rear brake shoes - £15 or £23 if you have ABS. (full set)
Rear drums - £30 pair (180mm dia) or £40 pair (203mm dia)
Master cylinder - £53 or £68 depending on type.
H.Brake cable - £15
Rear Cylinder - Between £8 and £13.
Brake fluid - £5
So worst case for parts is about £180. However, tell me what cylinder failed and I think the parts price and repair to acceptable level would be a lot less than above and near £150 including labour and maybe less.
Regards the garage quote and my previous comments. the garage may be quoting for retuning the brakes to "as new" condition and that would be expensive and the garage repair for what they have listed is actually quite cheap. However, a suitable repair with less parts than listed, while not to "as new" condition would probably give perfectly acceptable brakes, perfectly safe and capable of easily meeting MOT standard. Equally they may offer you £100 for the car it and then you see it sold by them for £600 or more after they have spent that £150 or less for the repair.
If you can get it safely back to your house see if anyone here will volunteer to do it for you.
#27: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:53 pm ---- I love this site for technical advice and quidance.
#28: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: Ciucur, Location: NorthamptonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:36 pm ---- Might be worth a second opinion from another garage?
#29: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:42 pm ---- Scrap will be more like £200 but although there's quite a list most of it is brakes so its not like its all over the car...just concentrate on one corner at a time and u cant go far wrong...if uve got some experience and maybe get hold of a haynes manual...take your time...dont do out daft..and bleed them right at the end...and just work one corner at a time...its actualy nit a difficult job...
there's a place near me that i use where u rent a 4 post ramp and all tools for between ten and fifteen an hour and it makes life much easier and u save in time enuf to warrant paying the tenner an hour and if there's sumthing they dint have they will get it.....my one is called SPANNER ITbut others doing the same are around...have a go at it yourself....the satisfaction alone is worth it..never mind the saving of cash.....
#30: Re: NO BRAKES !!! Author: nemesislee, Location: stokePosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:57 pm ---- I've had to get it done , it was the master cylinder that had failed , both front discs and pads, both rear drums, both front struts, I'd be annoyed if I have paid over the odds but the garage is well respected by people so I'm hoping I didn't :S
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front brake pads shot, rear drums shot, cv boot shot, front struts shot, brake cylinder shot, all in all £500 garage bill, £300 if i just want the brakes so that i can get it to a scrap yard 
