#46: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:25 pm ---- The fact is that panel over panel is accepted on some jobs and if u had a spark of intelligence between u u would realise that pushing boundries and trying different methods is how we make progress in this world...id like to see u 2 rebuild a caravan.
..u could use your favourite tools and everything...in fact u wouldnt get past the parts order because kandi would describe the dimensions of each and every screw...not to mention the glues and the sandwich cinstruction methods...that would be fascinating im sure...
#47: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:02 pm ---- Pushing boundaries - you have no idea. When you have worked as a design engineer at JET (Joint European Torus) I will let you into the same room to talk about pushing boundaries.
#48: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:03 pm ----
bezford wrote:
The fact is that panel over panel is accepted on some jobs and if u had a spark of intelligence between u u would realise that pushing boundries and trying different methods is how we make progress in this world...id like to see u 2 rebuild a caravan.
..u could use your favourite tools and everything...in fact u wouldnt get past the parts order because kandi would describe the dimensions of each and every screw...not to mention the glues and the sandwich cinstruction methods...that would be fascinating im sure...
Bless!
Speaking of sparks I'm a Electrical contractors, so in bold I do this sort of stuff everyday aswell as designing, installing and testing a installation.
But hey that's nothing on building a caravan.
No more willy waving for me though, I should be researching parts on my race spec
#49: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:04 pm ---- And glued panel over panel will not currently be permitted on a car.
Modern adhesives are amazing but the current Ministry of Transport doesn't recognise them despite how hard the bonding specialists are trying.
#50: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:06 pm ----
kandlbarrett wrote:
Pushing boundaries - you have no idea. When you have worked as a design engineer at JET (Joint European Torus) I will let you into the same room to talk about pushing boundaries.
It would seem we are pretty intelligent
#51: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:08 pm ---- Caravans - Top Gear has the best use for those and it doesn't include rebuilding them.
#52: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:09 pm ---- It's a forum. Who is telling the truth and who is lying? If I rebuilt caravans I would learn to lie! Have a look at my reply about battery charging.
Regards lying I have genuinely worked at JET as a mechanical design engineer.
Also having grown up as the son of a very poor farmer I have also learnt to "make do and mend" (bodge) with the best.
#53: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: KrisB, Location: RH5 - Near gatwickPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:03 pm ---- Wow, now the kids have stopped.... This thread should be cleaned!
I expect that the OP's problem is one of two things, because of a mixup in names.
Ok...
The VVT, Dephaser or whatever pulley wouldnt just fall apart after a cambelt change if it's been done properly. It should of been locked in place before anyone ever thinks about even looking at the belt. Ive not heard of these pulleys failing on the 180 engine, nor on the renaults, but then i dislike renault with a passion, I dont use their forums and hardly ever touch their cars apart from the odd basic 1.2 clio.
The CRANK pulley, or Auxilary pulley, or Bottom pulley, (which your mechanic may of gotten confused with dephaser/cam pulley) Really, i think is most likely to be your problem. I expect that when the pulley was re-fitted, your mechanic hasn't used the correct timing tools (the propper tool for locking the flywheel must be at least £80 as part of a timing kit, and as far as i'm aware only for the 180 engines as per gti180's, 307's etc. I'd say that the 180 engine is a 'rare' engine by standards, not many EW10J4S engines in many cars). Personally i've made my own gti180 flywheel locking tool which is perfectly up to the job and ensures THAT THE CRANKSHAFT TIMING DOES NOT SLIP WHEN THE CRANKSHAFT PULLEY IS TORQUED UP.
I'm not often online, although i do like to try and keep tabs on the treads i post in you'll get speed(ier) replies emailing me through my website.
Kris
#54: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:31 pm ---- Steady on there Kris. in another thread I have recommended your services!
#55: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:39 pm ---- What is different gti138 and gti180 locking kit for timings. As I seen bottom pulley fixing is same as gti138. Same block and bottom pulley as used in gti138 and gti138. So difference in head.
VVT pulley have a hole for locking and head also have hole on inlet side for that pulleys locking position.
And exhaust side is same as gti138. A hole on pulley and hole on head. Maybe I'm missing something. What is making special for timing on gti18?. Is there any process on PP2000 for VVT pulley?
#56: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: KrisB, Location: RH5 - Near gatwickPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:02 pm ---- I have to say i'm quite certain that the last EW10J4 (138) used a hole behind starter motor for locking crankshaft, you use the same locking stuff as you do on the XU and DW engines. The crank pulley was also static and held in place by a woodruff key. Correct me if in wrong but i think the slot for the woodruff key on the 138 belt pulley was slightly wider than the woodruff key, allowing for approx half a tooth of timing adjustment either way, its been months and i've worked on many vehicles since.
So, to lockup the EW10J4 (138) you insert a metal bar into the front of the block behind the starter, on the EW10J4S (180) you lock off the flwheel using a locking tool that fits snugly in the BIG hole PSA left on the BACK of the block. And the 180 has no woodruff key in the crankshaft auxilary belt OR cambelt sprocket to prevent it from spinning on the crank. It relies entirely on the tightening process of the main bolt, which should always be replaced.
#57: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:55 pm ---- this poor fellas stillnot had a remedy off anyone???is it just a case of tightening it up but how to do it and time it right etc....im puttin effort into helpin this guy aftyer all the bolloxks that has been spread on his post....good luck man...and cheers kris b for gettin back..and can u suggest a course of action for him....cheers .
#58: Re: 206 gti 180 cambelt slip? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:22 pm ----
bezford wrote:
this poor fellas stillnot had a remedy off anyone???is it just a case of tightening it up but how to do it and time it right etc....im puttin effort into helpin this guy aftyer all the bolloxks that has been spread on his post....good luck man...and cheers kris b for gettin back..and can u suggest a course of action for him....cheers .
Are you really that stupid??
As already said needs new valves, new cambelt kit, cambelt kit to be fitted correctly, 're timed.
None of which you have contributed and none of which as this quote helps him
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