#1: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:36 am ---- Got a problem with the 206 at the moment. Every now and again the dials on the instrument cluster die and they come back on a couple of seconds later. I thought it may have been the power to the cluster initially but all the lights are still lighting it up. I thought it was an earthing issue so took the battery out cleaned the connection the chassis. I couldn't undo the one on the gearbox but from the look it was clean where as the chassis one was completely caked including the contacts. Soft booted it back up.
At lunchtime I had a new issue. When the dials died brake fault and airbag fault warnings came up. All issues go when restarted. Brakes [anti-lock] seems to work so not sure what the issue is.
Going to get it plugged in but can't get it done for a few days. Hopefully that will help.
Anyone got any suggestions?
#2: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:40 am ---- you might have a faulty dial
#3: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:38 pm ---- An electrical fault can cause the ABS and airbag faults. Sounds like faulty dials.
#4: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:57 pm ---- Just been speaking to the old man. He's wondering if it could be a dodgy battery cell. He seems to remember something similar in one of his tractors. Other than dodgy starting when very cold I've not really had any issues
#5: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:59 pm ---- Could be right there.
#6: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: doughnut, Location: nottsPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:00 pm ---- this has just happened to mine this afternoon , airbag light on , no speedo no rev counter no heater blower , but lights indicators and brake lights ok
i,m looking to find what the cause is ??
#7: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:37 pm ---- I don't know yet but going to visit Kwik Fit or somewhere tomorrow get my battery tested. It was only a cheap one so could be the problem. What's even wierder is that I've read a few recent topics on this in various places.
#8: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:18 am ---- No obvious signs still, booked it into the garage just now as all the electrics to the dash died and blew my headlight bulbs. Took ages to come back alive too so now it's pretty dangerous. Spoke to the guy and he said that the earth strap is first port of call but he has also recently had a Renault Megane in with similar problems. Turned out it was the bottom of the main fuse box that had rusted and was interrupting the live feed. He's going to book it into an auto electrician in case he can't see anything obvious.
#9: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:14 pm ---- Had a look at Haynes tonight and realised that the lights and instrument panel both share more than one earth point. Cleaned the gearbox and main chassis ones but only realised that the points behind the headlights are relevant. Both were a bit s***ty, one covered in road muck and the other had surface rust. If one earth point on a circuit is compromised can this have an affect on a circuit if there are multiple earths?
#10: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:16 pm ---- I suppose it might make a difference. No harm in cleaning it up. We're the headlights giving you any problems?
#11: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:20 pm ---- Cleaned up but they both blew tonight. Third time to be replaced in 2 months although its happened twice today.
#12: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:56 am ---- The headlights blew?
#13: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:46 pm ---- Yes both blew at same time. Back from garage/auto-electricians for now. Mechanic said that they found a number of faults which they thought would fix it. Apparently when they drive it back the cluster was still a little sporadic. Seemed fine on the way home so wondering if its a cold start thing. Back in on Thursday so will see
#14: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:01 pm ---- Difficult to diagnose really, would need your electrical system checked I suppose.
#15: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: doughnut, Location: nottsPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:07 pm ---- had mine in the garage today to trace the faults they said its the bsi thats at fault and only peugeot can replace them ?
looking at a big bill so dont know if im going to sort it or get rid of the heap of french s...t
#16: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:28 am ---- Not what I wanted to hear! I don't know if it's the BSI or not. Another thought is that it could be a knackered voltage regulator within the alternator. Hoping it snows tomorrow and the roads are slippery...
#17: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:51 am ---- Just an update as I've just heard from the garage. The alternator was kicking out too high a voltage occasionally! They are looking at changing it now. My holiday money is quickly disappearing...
#18: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:15 am ---- I hope this isn't another garage guessing at faults. Let us know the outcome.
#19: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Austin, Location: TelfordPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:32 am ---- Alternator is a good possibilty to be fair... any spikes in voltage and the bulbs will be first to go. Let us know if its solved.
#20: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:53 am ---- I know the mechanic and he's been very good in the 6 years I've been going there. I wouldn't trust anyone else on my cars. It makes sense that the instruments and lights are being affected by the alternator. The same as a weak battery can affect them too much voltage can also have a similar affect. As you say Austin, the bulbs would be likely to go as a result. Very difficult to measure a spike in voltage when its sporadic. I was measuring through the cigarette lighter until I shorted the circuit and blew the fuse. I think they were just lucky when they caught it.
#21: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:55 am ---- Surely a fuse would blow before the bulb though?
#22: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:08 am ---- but bulbs always blow before a fuse. It's the weak point in a circuit. If your bulbs goes generally your fuse doesn't go. From memory I think the fuse is 15A so it would take a little bit to blow that but still affect other elements.
#23: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:10 am ---- Well it's back from the garage but something is not right still. They had the voltage regulator changed in the alternator as that showed up an intermittent fault. They tested it for most of yesterday and again this morning and no issues. I drove a mile and it went mental again and came up with a load of warnings including 'battery charging fault' which is new. It also sounds like a sewing machine so can only presume something within the alternator isn't right or at least on the aux belt. Will check that out tonight.
#24: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:28 am ---- Check the tension, and they've refit everything ok. I suppose if the belt isn't working the alterntator properly, you'll have a flat battery in no time. Was the Battery light on? Didn't they change the whole alternator? Get it back to the garage if its worse!
#25: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:38 am ---- I went straight back there earlier. It's automatic tensioner on this but I will release it to see if the whining sounds reduces so I can pin point it to the alternator. they didn't change the whole alternator just the voltage regulator but it was done by an auto-electrician. When I was parked up I check the battery voltage with the engine off and it was at 12.6v then with the engine on [no lights etc] it fluctuated between 12 and 13 before going back to a steady 14.2v. It's back in tomorrow morning but I'm tempted to take it to peugeot if it doesn't get sorted soon.
#26: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:01 am ---- Has it had any code read? An auto electrician can only sort out if he knows the problem for sure.
#27: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:33 am ---- Don't know the code but it came up with low voltage. Didn't say whether it was circuit broken or alternator.
#28: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:27 pm ---- Can't be bothered with a new topic: How tight is your aux belt? Mine has an auto adjuster so should be right but it's currently squealing like a sewing machine. Sounds pretty bad. I can barely move my belt so I was wondering if the tensioner needs replacing despite it being a year old
#29: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:25 pm ---- Open a new thread I have no idea. Edward would know! Mines fairly tight.
#30: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:07 am ---- I'm pretty sure it should be quite tight. Was wondering if there was a rule of thumb ie 5mm movement between certain pulleys etc.
Anyway, dropped it off again today. Having a new alternator completely. Given the sewing machine sound I think the bearings are shot in it. Between that and the drop in voltage I'm hoping it sorts it.
I did measure the voltage across the battery this morning. and it's reading at 14.2v from terminal to terminal. If I change the negative from the terminal to the bodywork I'm looking at 13.8-9v. He's checked all the groundings and the cables and said they were fine. I'm clutching at straws trying to be helpful [but probably a hindrance]!
#31: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:20 am ---- New alternator fitted. Collected it so fingers crossed it stays ok. Got a slight whining coming from the PAS pump. Think it's the bearings. Anyone want a cheap 206?!
#32: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:35 pm ---- Whining gone then I guess? My PAS is also whining, don't notice when driving. What mileage is yours on now? Stick with it!
#34: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Steve-o, Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:41 pm ---- If it's definately the BSI box I think I'd have a go at a BSI reset before I bought a new BSI box. You can also have the BSI repaired. If you buy a second hand one you'll probably pay as much to have it re-coded or whatever they call it to your vehicle.
These guys will do a repair and the reset process is here too:
These BSI boxes are a nightmare I'm finding and I've only had my 206 for a couple of months.
#35: Re: Electrical issue - instrument panel /BSI? Author: Taff!, Location: Havant nr PortsmouthPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:47 pm ---- Main issues haven't happened again since so fingers crossed the alternator has sorted it out. Will be taking off the aux belt on Saturday to see if I can feel anything. PAS feels a little heavy so could be going. Car done 90k, had a rear ender last year and someone creased my wing. Not feeling much confidence in the car to be honest. Not a patch on the old 306. Test drove some new cars last weekend so will see
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