#1: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:39 am ---- What manifold would be better for my 206 gti 137
180 manifold
or stainless 4 - 1 manifold
or Stainless 4 - 2 - 1 manifold
cheers
#2: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:45 am ---- 4-2-1 but they tend to be long so you'll also need uprated engine mounts to restrict engine movement.
#3: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:48 am ---- Im running on group N on bottom engine mount or do you need the lot?
cheers
#4: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:46 am ---- i have a 180 one you can have on the cheap!
pm me if you are interested..
#5: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:34 pm ----
iainlovatt wrote:
i have a 180 one you can have on the cheap!
pm me if you are interested..
Yea but what will the gains be :/
#6: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:38 pm ---- A single modification on its own will get you next to nothing. You need to fit it with other changes to get the full benefit.
#7: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:44 pm ---- Yea but would it still be as good as 4 - 2 - 1? with cat cams
#8: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:01 pm ---- Which Cat Cams?
#9: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:14 pm ---- www.catcams.co.uk/acat...files.html
these any good?
#10: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:08 pm ---- any one?
#11: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:54 am ---- rattles down to cost really
180 mani will be less than 100 quid and easyer to fit, might need to change gear linkage slightly not sure
rraceland 4-1 less than 200 quid more noticable gains than the 180 but needs engine dropping a few inch or sub frame removing and some custom work to fit the cat back
the 4-2-1 is over 500 quid and as wdward says will require all engine mounts upgrading and the same work as the 4-1 but the gains will be better
as for the cams i dont think you get alot from them alone you need more head work to get the most out of them and for over 1500 quid for 15-25 bhp max
i got 10bhp from a piper reprofile and that was a cheaper option but still cost near 1000 re profile
#12: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:45 am ----
usher wrote:
rattles down to cost really
180 mani will be less than 100 quid and easyer to fit, might need to change gear linkage slightly not sure
rraceland 4-1 less than 200 quid more noticable gains than the 180 but needs engine dropping a few inch or sub frame removing and some custom work to fit the cat back
the 4-2-1 is over 500 quid and as wdward says will require all engine mounts upgrading and the same work as the 4-1 but the gains will be better
as for the cams i dont think you get alot from them alone you need more head work to get the most out of them and for over 1500 quid for 15-25 bhp max
i got 10bhp from a piper reprofile and that was a cheaper option but still cost near 1000 re profile
So for a quick and easy gain 180 manifold. would it sound different?
With them cams do you need re mapp of any thing?
Thanks
#13: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:07 am ---- with any cams you need a re-map
180 manifold might give you something but doubtfull, raceland is good for midrange torque cant coment on the 4-2-1
i would say you will gain 10 from the map 5 from cams and 5 from manifold max but you wont see them gains indevidually you will need the mapto get the max out of all of them
#14: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:26 am ---- Not a bad gain tho id be happy with 13 from all that.
At the min im running just a de cat.
Plan is to get a K&N Typhoon Induction Kits, The Cams you said, 180 Manifold, And Then Remap it all.
What BHP you running?
cheers
#15: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:56 am ----
usher wrote:
180 mani will be less than 100 quid and easyer to fit, might need to change gear linkage slightly not sure
You have to change to the dog w**k 180 cable setup the 138 rod setup will not clear the 180 exhaust manifold.
#16: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:58 am ---- What rod set up?
cheers
#17: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:36 pm ----
LeeThr wrote:
usher wrote:
180 mani will be less than 100 quid and easyer to fit, might need to change gear linkage slightly not sure
You have to change to the dog w**k 180 cable setup the 138 rod setup will not clear the 180 exhaust manifold.
thanks for the clear up on that wasnt sure
im running just short of 150 but thats with mani, sport cat, s/s exhaust, piper x air filter, p n p throttle body, piper re profile, re-map
costing about 2k including labour and labour for the cams was only 150 which was cheap
#18: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:58 pm ---- Can some please tell me what i need to do to fit the 180 mani
cheers
#19: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:48 pm ---- any one
#20: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:00 pm ---- To be fair out of the options I have given it will give you the least gains and has not been done by many people so info would be gained by trying it really
#21: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:22 pm ---- Someone said this tho?
You have to change to the dog w**k 180 cable setup the 138 rod setup will not clear the 180 exhaust manifold.
#22: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:13 pm ---- The 180 uses cables for the gear linkage, the 138 uses rods. You will need to put the entire gear link set up from a 180 onto your 138 if you change to the 180 manifold.
Out of interest Usher, have you had yours R/R for that figure? Mine was standard bar a k&n filter and Magnex cat back and pushed 144bhp.
#23: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:04 pm ---- All depends on the rollers I had it on when it was standard and it put out 150 lol ill get the print outs up
It was dine at rs tuning so the figures ain't exaggerated at all
#24: Re: Manifold Gains on gti 137 Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:59 pm ---- i have a set of gti cams for sale if you wanted to go down the re-profile route
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