#1: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:45 am ---- so just picked the car up from the garage and just as i suspected it has failed its MOT.
1, rear fog lamp not working
2, front (both sides) anti-roll bar has excessive play in a ball joint
3, offside rear break pipe excessively corroded
4, (strap corroded and broken) fuel tank insecure
now i have the worries of how much dosh this is going to cost me, has anybody any idea 2,3,4 will cost me? (ish)
or if they are easy enough to do myself if i get the parts?
thanks
#2: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:56 am ---- Fuel tank strap is £10.87 including VAT from Peugeot & easy to fit, spray the fixings with release agent for a few days before you attempt to undo them.
Rear fog lamp, first thing is check the bulb.
Front drop links are cheap to buy & easy enough to fit.
Brake pipe needs someone with a flaring tool to make a new pipe.
#3: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:01 am ---- ok cheers! are there any 'How to' guides on replacing the drop links?
#4: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:04 am ----
tobycooke wrote:
ok cheers! are there any 'How to' guides on replacing the drop links?
I've no idea, possibly in the How To section.
Fuel tank strap seems to be a common weak point on the 206 now, make sure the tank is nearly empty before you undo the old strap.
#5: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:34 pm ---- ok will do, hate to be a noob but do you know of any one that has has changed the fuel tanks strap? and whether it is a big job?
#6: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:45 pm ----
tobycooke wrote:
ok will do, hate to be a noob but do you know of any one that has has changed the fuel tanks strap? and whether it is a big job?
I did it last year
Its easier up on a ramp BUT if you haven't got access to a ramp then you can do it with the car up on axle stands or drive up ramps.
#7: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:05 pm ---- ahh brilliant thanks!! i have just orders the tank strap and some drop links. i am lucky because my dad is the local mac tools dealer so he will have the 'flaring tool' have you ever had to do it? easy or hard? i bet you are getting bored of me asking if things are easy or hard now haha! but seriously thanks for all the help!
#8: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:06 pm ---- My solid brake pipes are fine as they are protected from corrosion.
#9: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:24 pm ---- right i have just took the fog light out and bulb is ok. iv looked on web and they say that fuse F19 is the fuse for it, and it is in the 28 fuse box in the passenger compartment, where abouts is this and has anyone a diagram for the fuse box in hand?
#10: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:55 pm ---- I change my fuel tank strap last year because it didnt look too nice. Just spray lots of WD40 on the threads before yo take it off. The thread can be a little grubby. New nyloc nuts would be useful too.
#11: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: paulspug, Location: Spalding lincolnshirePosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:08 am ---- Just done my droplinks, but ended up snapping my spring .
Put the car on jack and got the grinder out to cut thro it, and when i did the engine dropped and broke my spring
So, i'd put it on axles, and support the engine with a trolly jack, before you endevour to remove them.
me, well ive got new drop links, and now a lowered front end with new springs and shocks .Just the rear to lower now / sigh
All for the sake of doing a small job.
#12: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:35 am ----
paulspug wrote:
Just done my droplinks, but ended up snapping my spring .
Put the car on jack and got the grinder out to cut thro it, and when i did the engine dropped and broke my spring
So, i'd put it on axles, and support the engine with a trolly jack, before you endevour to remove them.
me, well ive got new drop links, and now a lowered front end with new springs and shocks .Just the rear to lower now / sigh
All for the sake of doing a small job.
How does your engine drop from taking the drop link off?
#13: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:20 pm ---- Must have cut the front end of the car off!
#14: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:00 pm ----
paulspug wrote:
Just done my droplinks, but ended up snapping my spring .
Put the car on jack and got the grinder out to cut thro it, and when i did the engine dropped and broke my spring
So, i'd put it on axles, and support the engine with a trolly jack, before you endevour to remove them.
me, well ive got new drop links, and now a lowered front end with new springs and shocks .Just the rear to lower now / sigh
All for the sake of doing a small job.
?? I cant figure this out?!
#15: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: paulspug, Location: Spalding lincolnshirePosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:47 am ----
Steve206 wrote:
paulspug wrote:
Just done my droplinks, but ended up snapping my spring .
Put the car on jack and got the grinder out to cut thro it, and when i did the engine dropped and broke my spring
So, i'd put it on axles, and support the engine with a trolly jack, before you endevour to remove them.
me, well ive got new drop links, and now a lowered front end with new springs and shocks .Just the rear to lower now / sigh
All for the sake of doing a small job.
?? I cant figure this out?!
yes that what happened.
engine dropped bout 6-8 inches, and bad noise, the spring broke on that side.
Dont know how , as i would have done it properly otherwise.
thought if i just cut it off(as the bolts were going round, and unable to loosen them) then just a matter of putting the new one on.
cars 11/12 years old so maybe just unlucky
#16: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:51 am ---- Suspension isn't linked to the engine though?
#17: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: paulspug, Location: Spalding lincolnshirePosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:35 am ---- Then i am as puzzled as you , but it was definatly broke, didnt cost much to repair as i got 2nd hand stuff on fleabay.
#18: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:31 am ---- So for a quick update...
Drop links came yesterday, i jacked a side up at a time grinded the bottom nut off and then grinded through the ball joint of the drop link on the top nut because as you will know its impossible to get at the nut with a grinder.
When fitting the new drop links i put the bottom thread in the hole and loosely stuck the nut on, i then got a crow bar and pushed the roll bar down until the top thread was in place then tightened the two nuts up, probably took me 2 hours from start to finish. I live in a dirt road so took it through some pot holes and there was no knocking what so ever!!
Soo now the fuel tank strap has just been delivered , so i will go out and give that a go now and will update you all on how it went...fingers crossed!!
#19: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:32 am ---- So for a quick update...
Drop links came yesterday, i jacked a side up at a time grinded the bottom nut off and then grinded through the ball joint of the drop link on the top nut because as you will know its impossible to get at the nut with a grinder.
When fitting the new drop links i put the bottom thread in the hole and loosely stuck the nut on, i then got a crow bar and pushed the roll bar down until the top thread was in place then tightened the two nuts up, probably took me 2 hours from start to finish. I live in a dirt road so took it through some pot holes and there was no knocking what so ever!!
Soo now the fuel tank strap has just been delivered , so i will go out and give that a go now and will update you all on how it went...fingers crossed!!
#20: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:01 am ---- Rule number 1 when replacing drop links or any anti roll bar component. Both sides of the car need to be on the same level.
#21: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:05 am ----
Edward wrote:
Rule number 1 when replacing drop links or any anti roll bar component. Both sides of the car need to be on the same level.
Not heard that before, how come it needs to be level?
Never had any trouble with any of the one's i've done with it not being level.
#22: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:20 am ---- So im in the middle of trying to take the old fuel tank strap off, and well there dirty and gunked up as f***, can not for the life of me figure out how i am going to get the bolts off, any ideas or has any one found this problem before and how did you solve it...
#23: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: DevonTony, Location: DevonPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:58 am ---- Hi, you really need to clean up the threads with a wire brush or a round wire brush attachment on an angle grinder or a drill. Then as suggested give it a good soaking with penetrating oil and see if they will undo (gently) if they feel like they start to tighten up to the point they may snap try the old tighten again spray with oil then loosen, repeat as necessary. With the car on axle stands use a block of wood and your trolley jack to support the weight of the tank + fuel before you remove the strap. I painted the new strap with waxoyl before i put it on and coated the nuts + threads so it will not rust again.
#24: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:03 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
Edward wrote:
Rule number 1 when replacing drop links or any anti roll bar component. Both sides of the car need to be on the same level.
Not heard that before, how come it needs to be level?
If one side is jacked up the suspension on that side is at full drop. The other side is compressed. The anti roll bar being linked to the compressed side will also be higher up than is desired on the unloaded side. So your drop link will be harder to reach between ARB and strut.
As for the tank strap nuts as I said get some WD-40 on them or similar and clean the threads. Loosen the nuts slightly them wind them back on. Then clean the threads again. New nuts would be a very good idea. As I suggested before.
#25: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:13 am ----
DevonTony wrote:
Hi, you really need to clean up the threads with a wire brush or a round wire brush attachment on an angle grinder or a drill. Then as suggested give it a good soaking with penetrating oil and see if they will undo (gently) if they feel like they start to tighten up to the point they may snap try the old tighten again spray with oil then loosen, repeat as necessary. With the car on axle stands use a block of wood and your trolley jack to support the weight of the tank + fuel before you remove the strap. I painted the new strap with waxoyl before i put it on and coated the nuts + threads so it will not rust again.
Ok will give that a go!! Thanks, it seems that the one thats on is rounded so got my dad on his way to try and get it off for me because i know ill get carried away and break something like i usually do haha
#26: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: DevonTony, Location: DevonPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:32 am ---- It's a pain when someone has rounded a nut off!! if you have some old imperial size sockets you may find one that is slightly smaller which you can tap on using an extension bar and a hammer, sometimes works! Just remember to replace with a new nut so that you don't end up having to struggle again in the future. Good luck!! it's all part of the learning curve, and yes i always used to get my dad to help as well always good to have someone else to blame if it goes wrong ha ha!
#27: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: tobycooke, Location: N walesPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:44 am ---- Haha that is my exact plan, if i brake it he will be like "well you should t have done this and should have done this.." At least this way if he breaks it..he fixes it!! Plus saves me spending my day under the car in the rain will update thread when i have got somewhere..
#28: Re: Failed the MOT... Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:20 am ----
Edward wrote:
Rule number 1 when replacing drop links or any anti roll bar component. Both sides of the car need to be on the same level.
Whenever I've done mine I have jacked under the strut to bring it level. You may also find it knocks again in a few days, it will just need re tightening.
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