#1: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Adam2061994, Location: WrexhamPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:18 pm ---- anybody got a 206 xsi 1.6 16v, im looking at more power atm, so far it has a 4-2-1 stainsteel steel manifold and a straight decat race tube to a peco big bore backbox, anybody suggest any decent cams, or any good ecu tuning places, and could suggest anything else which could improve power/torque, any help will be grateful thankyou!
#2: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: colganraz, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:20 pm ---- cams either newman or kent cams, check PUG1OFFs online shop, much difference in acceleration with the 421 manifold? considering one for mine at the minute
#3: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:55 am ---- Just a quick suggestion because you are running a de cat and will fail MOT I ran this cat when had stainless on old 206
#4: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:57 am ---- Also if engine light is on run this on second sensor tricks the ECU.
#5: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: RedHDI, Location: Northern IrelandPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:26 am ---- Turbo!! Bigger pistons, Fast Cams, gutted interior. There are alot of things to do. Maybe port and polishing or skim the head?
#6: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: PezHdi, Location: ShrewsburyPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:40 am ---- All depends on how far you want to go and how much you want to spend.
#7: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:08 am ---- Start with a bigger engine.
#8: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: tsotd, Location: kentPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:58 am ---- how much money you got? youve got cams/head work, throttle bodies or if your a fan of boost you can go the turbo/supercharger road. the only limit is how much youve got to spend
#9: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:51 am ---- How much money have you got?
If you don't want to go forced induction...
Exhaust, air filter will see to near nothing on their own
Cams + remap, port + polished throttle body will get between if 135hp - 150hp with a decent manifold and filter if setup correctly @ £450 - £600
Throttle bodies on standard pistons with the same cams will push 165hp @ £1500 - £2500 (possibly remain on standard ecu, but not recommended)
High compression setup including high comp pistons, forged con rods, uprated ARP bolts, headwork etc. Same throttle bodies as before but will need cams designed for aftermarket pistons. Will see 180hp - 195hp @ £4000 - £5000
Obviously prices differ majorly if you use brand new or second hand parts and if you do the work yourself but that's normally enough to put most people off. A lot of people think you will noticeable gains throwing a few quid here and there but it's far from the case.
Hint: If you want cheap(er) power just get a basic turbo setup for around £1500 (second hand) will see 180hp whilst still being fairly reliable on standard internals or more if you want to risk it.
#10: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: colganraz, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:01 am ----
Edward wrote:
Start with a bigger engine.
why? the 1.6 has 27 bhp less than the 2.0 as standard and is a little lighter, much better on fuel, cheaper to tax and insure and the TU5 engine is really tuneable.
#11: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: danlouiee, Location: Plymouth, DevonPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:10 am ---- I swear it's an jp4 engine?
#12: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: colganraz, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:14 am ---- TU5JP4
#13: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:49 am ---- JP4s are excellent to tune, even more so than the VTS / 106 GTI J4 due to the larger valves can easily see an extra 5-10bhp more with the same mods when mapped right
#14: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Jeffers, Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:35 pm ---- Cams would be a good start. All down to money really, plenty of stuff out there to buy
#15: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Adam2061994, Location: WrexhamPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:57 am ---- thanks for all your help! so my engine is very good to tune?
#16: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Adam2061994, Location: WrexhamPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:57 am ---- thanks for all your help! so my engine is very good to tune?
#17: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Jeffers, Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:07 am ---- Yes mate, its very similar to the 106 Gti and saxo Vts engine, just newer with slight differences.
Lots of perts for them will fit the 206 you have, just ask if your unsure.
#18: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:51 am ----
colganraz wrote:
Edward wrote:
Start with a bigger engine.
why? the 1.6 has 27 bhp less than the 2.0 as standard and is a little lighter, much better on fuel, cheaper to tax and insure and the TU5 engine is really tuneable.
Torque ever heard the phrase there's no replacement for displacement
#19: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:53 am ----
Harry wrote:
JP4s are excellent to tune, even more so than the VTS / 106 GTI J4 due to the larger valves can easily see an extra 5-10bhp more with the same mods when mapped right
May be so, but the JP4 is known to have a weaker bottom end than the J4 hence in the big power projects you see a mixture of the J4 bottom end with the JP4 head.
JP4s are excellent to tune, even more so than the VTS / 106 GTI J4 due to the larger valves can easily see an extra 5-10bhp more with the same mods when mapped right
May be so, but the JP4 is known to have a weaker bottom end than the J4 hence in the big power projects you see a mixture of the J4 bottom end with the JP4 head.
Yup, best combination I've found is
J4 bottom end
JP4 head + valves
J4 cams, springs (everything else really)
If I do a rebuild this is what I will be doing have a few engines here mixture of J4s and JP4s. But going to blow up this one first.
#21: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:45 pm ----
Harry wrote:
But going to blow up this one first.
Lend it to me for 5 minutes
#22: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:46 pm ----
Harry wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
Harry wrote:
JP4s are excellent to tune, even more so than the VTS / 106 GTI J4 due to the larger valves can easily see an extra 5-10bhp more with the same mods when mapped right
May be so, but the JP4 is known to have a weaker bottom end than the J4 hence in the big power projects you see a mixture of the J4 bottom end with the JP4 head.
Yup, best combination I've found is
J4 bottom end
JP4 head + valves
J4 cams, springs (everything else really)
If I do a rebuild this is what I will be doing have a few engines here mixture of J4s and JP4s. But going to blow up this one first.
Aye, does make a good starting point that mixture, im in the middle of doing a JP4 conversion on my mates Saxo VTs but it's just the full JP4 lump going in.
#23: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:47 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
Harry wrote:
But going to blow up this one first.
Lend it to me for 5 minutes
what evil torture do you have in mind?
#24: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:55 pm ---- I personally wouldn't bother unless it was a hyrbrid build. Looks pretty awkward to re drill the inlet holes and stuff? J4s are so widely available and cheap too
#25: Re: 206 1.6 16v xsi tuning? Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:05 pm ----
Harry wrote:
I personally wouldn't bother unless it was a hyrbrid build. Looks pretty awkward to re drill the inlet holes and stuff? J4s are so widely available and cheap too
I tried to convince him to do the hybrid build, but he just wouldn't have it, most of the work's done now anyway, only 5 holes to drill and tap, 4 on the inlet and one by the oil filter, then everything else just bolts on.
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ever heard the phrase there's no replacement for displacement 
what evil torture do you have in mind?
