#1: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: wooihaveanew206lol, Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:17 am ---- Read a lot about these and I know theyre expensive but does anyone have both of these fitted and what are the total gains? I know you will say turboing is better value but thats not an option as £2500 is the very top of my budget I wont be saving anymore. I know some have throttle bodies and some have cat cams but does anyone have both.. friends, youtube vids etc?
What sort of gains will both of these give me in total on a GTI 180?
I've noticed that most hot hatches sit bang below a 7 second sprint to 60 so if I can be amongst these Ill be happy.
Clio 172/182/197, Corsa VXR, Audi TT 225, A3 A4 and A1 TFSI, 207 GTI, the RCZ 210, 208 GTI, Golf GTI, Polo GTI, - theyre all either 6.8 or 6.9 seconds despite varying BHP and engines.
In terms of straight line speed, for example a drag strip, will throttle bodies and cat cams with a custom remap put me bang on par with these (or better)?
#2: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:24 am ---- You realise 0-60 times are total b******s right?
There's nothing between a 172 or 182 and a gti 180 in a straight line.
I'm not sure that £2500 would get you both cat cams a an ITB setup on a 180, I seem to think that the 180 needs a standalone ECU to run ITB's to, could be wrong on that though.
And to answer the question im pretty sure you'd see over 200bhp dependent on how well built your engine is.
#3: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:56 am ---- If you want faster 0 - 60 use smaller wheels but you do lose top end mine goes 114MPH Max on a private road. 0 - 60 under 7 seconds
#4: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: lee1985, Location: North WestPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:06 am ---- Pug1off do throttle bodies with an ECU think its called Kingston or something it's on their website, and cat cam 804s for 2,400 overall inc vat and the optional extras for the bodies think its to do with fitting. I've added them to the basket to see.
I'm also curious as to the gains of this. As per the OP question id be curious to know if anyone else has done this? Does anyone else agree that this set up would get over 200bhp very realistically?
#5: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Andy180, Location: Stoke on TrentPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:19 am ----
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If you want faster 0 - 60 use smaller wheels but you do lose top end mine goes 114MPH Max on a private road. 0 - 60 under 7 seconds
how does fitting smaller wheels make you lose top end speed
#6: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:32 am ----
Andy180 wrote:
Quote::
If you want faster 0 - 60 use smaller wheels but you do lose top end mine goes 114MPH Max on a private road. 0 - 60 under 7 seconds
how does fitting smaller wheels make you lose top end speed
The same reason a small turbo will spool up quickly and large turbo will boost more but with lag.
#7: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:34 am ----
lee1985 wrote:
Pug1off do throttle bodies with an ECU think its called Kingston or something it's on their website, and cat cam 804s for 2,400 overall inc vat and the optional extras for the bodies think its to do with fitting. I've added them to the basket to see.
I'm also curious as to the gains of this. As per the OP question id be curious to know if anyone else has done this? Does anyone else agree that this set up would get over 200bhp very realistically?
Well Kyle had a 180 with out ITB's but with cat cams and made 195BHP so I would hope that ITB's would make more than 5BHP
Thats a very good price at Pug1Off, if id have know it was that sort of price id have done it myself.
#8: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:39 pm ---- You need a bigger budget. To get the best out of it you need long airhorns which means a custom radiator ideally. That means the PAS pump needs swopping for an electric pump. The little bits cost a fortune.
If you just want to go fast then buy another car. If you like tinkering then modify it. I wouldn't do it on an everyday ca either.
#9: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: wooihaveanew206lol, Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:27 pm ---- I think that the only way I am going to get the power I want from my 206 GTI 180 is to supercharge it, but there is no way I can meet the cost in one go, particularly as Ecosse want £6,600.
What I want to do is buy the parts over a couple of months which will act as a kind of monthly payment option for me so I can do it as a medium term kinda thing. Once I've got everything I need I can then find someone who's up to the job of putting it together and obviously pay them for the labour of doing so.
With that in mind, can someone who knows their stuff give me a completely exhaustive list of what I need in order to supercharge it. Don't include optional bits, just everything quite simply necessary and compulsory to supercharge the car. Over the next few months I will then purchase bits at a time until I have everything then boom, it's a car for me.
I am hoping that someone can do this for me as I'm stuck otherwise and this is my final plan - there is no other way to get serious power from a GTI 180.
#10: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:56 pm ----
I would settle for 804 cams and leave the rest alone.
#11: Re: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: Tolkienfan001, Location: SpaldingPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:09 pm ---- Or save for a few months then pay Ecosse??
#12: Re: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:14 pm ----
Tolkienfan001 wrote:
Or save for a few months then pay Ecosse??
you not read Edwards thread then?
#13: Re: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:20 pm ---- If you saw what ecosse did to the wiring on my car you'd go elsewhere. What's the rest of the car like? Everything else uprated? Suspension, brakes etc?
#14: Re: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:29 pm ----
Edward wrote:
If you saw what ecosse did to the wiring on my car you'd go elsewhere. What's the rest of the car like? Everything else uprated? Suspension, brakes etc?
I still don't understand how they thought that p**s poor standard was acceptable.
#15: Re: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: wooihaveanew206lol, Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:57 pm ---- Edward I have Eibach pro springs and dampers, a Janspeed exhaust - not got uprated brakes yet.
Can you or someone else give me a full list of all parts needed for supercharging?
Thank you
#16: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:40 pm ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Andy180 wrote:
Quote::
If you want faster 0 - 60 use smaller wheels but you do lose top end mine goes 114MPH Max on a private road. 0 - 60 under 7 seconds
how does fitting smaller wheels make you lose top end speed
The same reason a small turbo will spool up quickly and large turbo will boost more but with lag.
Smaller wheels simply change the gearing. Nothing to do with how turbos work!
Fitting smaller wheels means you'll have higher engine revs for a given road speed that's all. You might hit the rev limiter sooner that's all. You might have a lower top speed because you could run out of engine revs.
#17: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: lee1985, Location: North WestPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:45 pm ---- By what sort of margin do 804 cams alone with a Janspeed and custom remap improve mid range power e.g. 30-70 or 60-100 sprints?
I'd guess not much?
#18: Re: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:45 pm ----
LeeThr wrote:
Edward wrote:
If you saw what ecosse did to the wiring on my car you'd go elsewhere. What's the rest of the car like? Everything else uprated? Suspension, brakes etc?
I still don't understand how they thought that p**s poor standard was acceptable.
Simply because they get away with it. Their average customer doesn't know any better. The only reason the bodgery on mine was discovered was because the previously problem free car suddenly kept cutting out as a result of thier experimentation with the wiring or through making mistakes. I had to diagnose the problem which involved digging through the wiring.
They also took the original MAP sensor from the standard inlet which are expensive to buy new. So that's theft too.
#19: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Howey, Location: Kings LynnPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:50 pm ---- 206info.co.uk/Forums/v...ngdom.html
You might find this thread helpful
#20: Re: Throttle bodies AND cat cams Author: Zack, Location: NorthamptonshirePosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:02 pm ---- Yea so like a turbo accelerating kicks in faster I.e when you change gear you all ready have a high reved engine so when you have a bigger turbo your waiting for that boast yea. So big wheels change gear and have to wait for revs to build up small wheels your are there already comprend.
Probs not
#21: Re: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: Mikey2uk, Location: StevenagePosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:16 pm ---- Threads merged
#22: Re: Okay, it's the Supercharger route Author: lee1985, Location: North WestPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:19 am ---- I believe you would need a Rotrex Supercharger bolt on kit, I think the C30-94 one.
There are a few places online that sell them standalone. As for the other bits, I don't know the full list you'll need, maybe someone else can be nice enough to say (a forum like this - lots of people know their stuff) but at least I've tried helped you
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