#1: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:00 am ---- So I took my 1.9D basic 206 and made it alot better in terms of power.
I like the fact of the XUD9 being a simple engine to modify and maintain and I like the 206. So over a few months of trail and error, 6 or 7 times fitting and removing the engine from the bay, much bad language and numerous trips to breaker yards we had the machine driving under its own power.
The original spec:
Peugeot 206 1.9L D
DW8 1.9 Donkey engine (69 bhp?)
No Positive Manifold Pressure
Hydraulic Clutch
46,000 miles (car and engine)
247mm Front Brakes
Steelies
Dent in Door
Spec to date:
Peugeot 206 1.9 Turbo Diesel
XUD9TE (D8B) Engine (circa 120bhp (at a guess))
26 PSi on a K14
Pull Clutch CableSetup
FMIC
91,000 miles (engine)
283mm Front Brakes
Boost Gauge
16" Nimrods
Dent in door now sorted
Engine came from a 1995 Xantia and was at standard power but after a few tweaks and help from the cornish derv doctor (best friend from college) the car has found a new lease of life.
ALL modifications (including engine change and power levels) be been made known to the relevant parties. Namely DVLA and Insurance.
I have more plans for it including another engine transplant (XUD9 still) for some more power but this is the preliminary test to see if it could be done. (Wasn't as easy as I thought originally)
It is no oil painting (due to being worked on in a barn) but its tidy and standard looking (ish).
Anyways Pictures...
The night I got the Car
Original DW8 Engine
The day it drove out of the shed on its new heart
The engine bay with the new motor
Unfortunately no recent one of how the car looks at the moment due to it being back in the shed. I do have more of the actual build, so I can put them up once I sorted through.
Comments welcomed...good and bad.
Thanks for Looking Last edited by southwestchap on Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:00 am; edited 2 times in total
#2: Re: The 206 DW8 now an XUD9 Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:31 am ---- So the engine came out again on the weekend
and got replaced with the second XUD engine I have (yes its green just because I got bored with a paint brush one day)
and now fitted
Had some help from a few friends to get everything built up and fitted
Not quite fully back together yet as the PAS setup is being re-routed and also the Intercooler pipework is changing.
#3: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: RedHDI, Location: Northern IrelandPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:57 pm ---- Im considering dropping in a 1.9TD from a 306. I currently have a 1.4 hdi. Is it worth it?
#4: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:02 am ---- I went ahead with it due to liking the simplicity of the XUD and also liking the 206 setup so just putting the two together.
Originally I thought it would be easy but the thing decided to fight along most of the way.
2 engine mounts need to be modified, drive shafts needed to be altered (saying that just use the 206 DW10 gearbox and clutch setup and you'll be fine)
I drove the first engine over 2000 miles, 1000 which were when the pump and turbo were opened up, without any issues at all.
if you had the engine and exhaust off the 306 there isn't a lot that needs to be changed.
Only issue I would see you having is the loom wiring issues for the dash, as the HDi is multiplexed therefore you will have a lot of redundant wiring.
#5: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:09 pm ---- Any news on this project as it looks rather interesting. ...
#6: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:01 am ---- Yea a bit has happened...read on...
Well from when the cornish lads helped fit the engine I loosely built the rest up and took it for a quick drive. Honestly couldn’t see what the fuss was about for the VNT lark. Smokey, laggy, pinning the 30 psi gauge....I knew there were issues. The vanes weren’t opening. Basically the VAC can didn’t like to work the other way around so couldn’t do much with the engine in the car so out it came again. Was able to tidy a few things up then, namely piping. Fitted a better can and started to lift the engine back in.
Had the machine man make me up a tall engine mount bolt. For when we slotted the drivers mount forward for clearance.
Was toying with wheels
Bit tight in my opinion
New water pipe made
Also fitted some cheapy coilovers
And fitted, even managed to save the droplink.
Engine back in and fitted the Red engine mount
Severe lack of photos then. But got the car back together on its wheels
Hellish problems with getting the vanes to open with the boost still. In the end found out it was the MBC being too closed up, but the actual spring inside had coiled up. Sorted that and went for a drive. Was really pleased to see the gauge stop at 15psi and OH MY GOD it was an absolute ANIMAL.
Upped the boost to a safe 20psi and it was insane...well coming from a K14 which you literally had to strangle the sod to keep ‘er blowin. This is whole different drive. From the moment your foot is in the floor, the power is there and a definite huge increase in torque. By the way, this is still with my hellish restrictive inlet. When I sort that out, I swear something is going to break (though I don’t drive hard all the time). Also when you come to a hill, no need to drop a cog, as long as you don’t ‘bog’ the fuel in, the turbo comes into play and it will literally pull without breaking a sweat.
All this happened the week of the FCS weekend so still not actually road tested the thing for more than a couple of miles. Went ahead and fitted (well lashed up) my gauges. Only cheapies that I have had for a while from previous car’s seem to work ok though.
Fitted all the interior in and drove around Exeter, filled up with fuel and drove the long way home. 20 miles on the engine now so I hoped that would be enough as FCS was only a couple days away and still had a few things to sort out.
The morning before we left
After a bit of thought on lowering (which I thought I would never do) I decided to drop the rear end a tad, and I have also fitted the coilovers so it would be rude not to.
Never lowered anything before I seeked out the help from the cornish lad. So drove off down there on Sunday and backed the car into the workshop.
Wheels off and started wire brushing the shiz out of everything and spraying all threads with penetrating fluid.
Anti-roll bar came out relatively easy but we faced the issue of the lower shock absorber nut and bolt. The grinder came into play.
Managed to get the eccentric washers removed and got the bearing puller out and setup. Got the trailing arm to then slide off fairly well.
Notice the quad wheel used to prop the trailing arm up.
On inspection of the bearings they were all still complete and the beam itself had no wear in it which was a bonus.
Got the arm propped up
The torsion bar would not release on the drivers side, we even removed the whole trailing arm which meant taking the handbrake cable off and disconnecting the brake line. The inner bearing did decide to fall apart due to having to smash the arm off with the hammer (puller wouldn’t work on driver side)
Annoying the torsion bar still didn’t want to let go despite using a ‘farm spec’ sledgehammer on it.
Started putting it back together and with the other torsion bar in we still managed to lower it the desired amount of 30mm.
Connect all the brakes back up and put the wheels on and this is how it sat.
And one of the helping hands.
With the front dropped a little more
So really just been driving the thing as I've had a few other things that I 've been sorting. Soon be time to get it back in the shed. Still puts a smile on my face when I drive it. Especially going from a 1.4HDi.
Future plans are:
To sort that awful inlet
Bigger Intercooler
Build a bigger exhaust
Sort the Driver’s side window
General tidying
The Xantia engine that came out has plans for a rebuild with bigger rods, maybe a bit of porting, and a 10mm pump. The 11mm is a little over kill as it will coal to buggery if you're not considerate. This will be a long term thing as I have other things that need to be worked on first.
#7: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:32 am ---- Nice to see somebody doing some proper work!
#8: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:19 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Nice to see somebody doing some proper work!
Cheers :-D, lot of work, time & bad language went into it to get it where its at today.
#9: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:29 pm ---- What happened to the 405 MI16 5 spoke alloys then?
#10: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:04 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
What happened to the 405 MI16 5 spoke alloys then?
Yeah I still have them, need to fit a couple tyres on them and was going to fit them to my hdi for something different. (Thats if the offset allows me). Wasn't really keen on putting them on the idi 206 as you can see from the picture, the clearence wasn't very much.
#11: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:53 am ---- is this darren lobbs place where the work is being done?
#12: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:24 am ----
HDI90 wrote:
is this darren lobbs place where the work is being done?
For the lowering yes, i took a trip down as he had bearing pullers and such.the rest was done in at mine.
#13: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:07 am ---- So bit of an update
Engine Back out
Fresh Clutch - 4 paddle unsprung
Collection of exhausts - recently realised how restrictive the things are...
But this is the one to be used 2.5" all the way
Fresh downpipe and flexi
Going back together
With a New Intercooler
Mounted top and bottom
Chocked up the top mount - also using a powerflex lower mount and a xantia gearbox one. Pretty solid now for the time being
Boost and EGT gauges
Also fitted an EMP gauge but no pictures of that
Backbox is a little 'in your face' and the first few trips were a little smokey but got the tuning under control now
This is the original engine going to be rebuilt
and decided to fit a 3" downward tip - well cut up an old lorry exhaust for the bend and a friend helped fit it.
Since though, I have changed the fuel pump to a low milage, 10mm modified bosch with a stronger gov mod to keep the fuel in to 5k.
#14: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:18 pm ---- Proper project I like it!
#15: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:57 am ----
Andrew wrote:
Proper project I like it!
Cheers.
#16: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:03 am ---- Little update
Removed all the tensioners and waterpump
Removed the Turbo and studs
Injectors and Head bolts out
Any pulled the head off, crappy elring 3 notch, fibre gasket. Shan't be fitting one of those when it gets rebuilt.
And the block which needs a clean up now
Tidy bore, no nasty scores. Will be getting a hone out before it goes back together
Also flipped the engine over and unbolted the sump. Could not believe how clean it was in there. It doesn't say anything about removing the sump in the service history I have. It shows if you keep on top of your oil changes, especially on a diesel. Got to get the oil pump unbolted and then pull the pistons.
#17: Re: The 206 1.9 D-Turbo VNT XUD9 Project Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:59 am ---- So it went on the dyno today.
Local place to me, seemed to be a good setup so went in for the hell of it.
Pulled 194.3hp 242.6lb.ft
Couple pictures, the exhaust box couldn't keep up..smoked the shed out
There is a bit more to give so hopefully break the 200bhp mark.
Thanks for Looking
#18: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: lukepug19, Location: OxfordshirePosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:00 am ---- awesome project thread mate cant wait to see how it progresses
#19: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: Steve137, Location: BasingstokePosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:11 pm ---- cant beat a bit of diesel smoke
#20: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: PezHdi, Location: ShrewsburyPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 3:44 am ---- Thats some good results there :]
Any videos?
how does it feel to drive?
#21: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 10:52 am ---- good read, like the fact your messing with a deisel not many do
no to be negative but will that pass mot with all that smoke
#22: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:30 am ----
usher wrote:
good read, like the fact your messing with a deisel not many do
no to be negative but will that pass mot with all that smoke
Cheers
Its still on going, got more plans but unfortunately once over the 200hp mark, £££ start mounting up to take it further.
I just turned it down for mot and limited the throttle arm. To
Be honest, it was a tad too smokey on the dyno, needed to ramp the boost up really.
#23: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: timolevs, Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:16 am ---- Really enjoyable project thread read! Trying to get inspiration for my own 1.4hdi
#24: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:15 am ---- Check out my other project thread, working on my 1.4hdi at the moment.
#25: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: Ciaran996, Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:01 pm ---- This car has had alot of hours like it
#26: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 9:10 am ---- Well this a come to an end. Tax, MOT and Insurance all ran out and I've taken the engine as far as I dare in standard form.
Put it on a friend's rolling road and just pushed past the 200hp mark (ATF)
Pulled the engine as it is still a good runner
...because now I have a new chassis to drop the engine in. It's probably not to everyone's taste but should be interesting.
Anyone in need of EYC (IIRC) Panels then feel free to get in touch.
#27: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: pAvax, Location: EssexPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:00 am ---- That was a cool project! Shame you disbanded it then, to start another one.
I know I am like a year late, yet it was a great read and slightly motivational too. Actually motivates me to get a 2.0 (138) block and have some fun with that... and potentially do a transplant one day myself.
Great stuff, got other threads about?
#28: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:48 am ----
pAvax wrote:
That was a cool project! Shame you disbanded it then, to start another one.
I know I am like a year late, yet it was a great read and slightly motivational too. Actually motivates me to get a 2.0 (138) block and have some fun with that... and potentially do a transplant one day myself.
Great stuff, got other threads about?
Cheers
Suppose this is a fitting final photo for this
Engine went on in the 309, only recently dropped that out to put in a 16v 2.0HDi I have. Project thread over on 306oc.co.uk .
As long as you have a dry corner to build up a motor, it's definitely the way to have a play.
Only other project is my 1.4HDi (link in my signature) thats my daily faithful, though mileage is taking its toll on it now.
#29: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: pAvax, Location: EssexPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:06 am ----
southwestchap wrote:
pAvax wrote:
That was a cool project! Shame you disbanded it then, to start another one.
I know I am like a year late, yet it was a great read and slightly motivational too. Actually motivates me to get a 2.0 (138) block and have some fun with that... and potentially do a transplant one day myself.
Great stuff, got other threads about?
Cheers
Suppose this is a fitting final photo for this
Engine went on in the 309, only recently dropped that out to put in a 16v 2.0HDi I have. Project thread over on 306oc.co.uk .
As long as you have a dry corner to build up a motor, it's definitely the way to have a play.
Only other project is my 1.4HDi (link in my signature) thats my daily faithful, though mileage is taking its toll on it now.
That photo hurts!
Yeah, I got a shed... not massive, but should be big enough to have a play in. Going to get me a small broken petrol engine first (don't care what make) to see if I can identify what is broken. Then build it up again... just to learn.
From there I will look into getting a 2.0 138 and see if I can refurb it a bit and make it low milage again... But that is all future work, obviously.
Will keep an eye on the 1.4 of yours, as your writing style and photos are amusing me
#30: Re: The 206 XUD9 VNT Project now with Dyno Results Author: ekjdm14, Location: CheshirePosted: Tue May 19, 2020 10:27 pm ---- Great read, I wondered if I'd see this car on here (been researching TD swaps lately & had seen it on Mr. Lobb's dyno etc, sounded great with the VNT!)
Bit of a shame that it's been broken, but there's at least one other around & running currently and there's soon to be one more to join it. Ours started out as an '03 1.1 petrol though just to make things a bit more interesting.
(starter for 10 aside from the multiplex situation is they run a deadhead fuel rail, but hopefully get away with using the Evap line as the return because I'm dumb like a fox )
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