#1: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:10 pm ---- Hi folks. So I bought this Peugeot 206 verve on a cat D.
I've replaced the lower wishbone, shock absorber, spring, anti roll bar links, tie rod end, tie rod rack end and the wheel.
There is still a very visible negative camber. Could the stub axle be ruined? Have the parts shop gave me the wrong lower wish bone?
I'm getting a little worried about this car.
#2: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:14 pm ---- Take the wheel off and turn the wheel to full lock if the brake disc is sat on the p**s than your hub assembly needs replacing.
Look at the subframe for damage as well.
#3: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:18 pm ---- Has it been on a jig yet?
#4: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:27 pm ----
Lecktorious wrote:
Has it been on a jig yet?
No it hasn't. I was hoping it wouldn't come to that as the damage looked minimal. Jigging costs an absolute bomb doesn't it?
Uz wrote:
Take the wheel off and turn the wheel to full lock if the brake disc is sat on the p**s than your hub assembly needs replacing.
Look at the subframe for damage as well.
Will do. Many thanks.
#5: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:34 pm ----
Paul76 wrote:
Lecktorious wrote:
Has it been on a jig yet?
No it hasn't. I was hoping it wouldn't come to that as the damage looked minimal. Jigging costs an absolute bomb doesn't it?
I would have put it on a jig first to see if the chassis was straight before spending money on parts (unless they had to be replaced anyway).
I'd find a local bodyshop that has a jig before you do anything else. Can't comment on price, as that will come down to each individual bodyshop.
#6: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:42 pm ----
Lecktorious wrote:
Paul76 wrote:
Lecktorious wrote:
Has it been on a jig yet?
No it hasn't. I was hoping it wouldn't come to that as the damage looked minimal. Jigging costs an absolute bomb doesn't it?
I would have put it on a jig first to see if the chassis was straight before spending money on parts (unless they had to be replaced anyway).
I'd find a local bodyshop that has a jig before you do anything else. Can't comment on price, as that will come down to each individual bodyshop.
Yes, the parts needed to be replaced anyway. Wishbone and shock absorber were quite visibly damaged.
I can get a front stub axle for 30 quid so I figured it wouldn't hurt to change that over.
I suppose the front subframe could be bust too. I would be surprised if the chassis was bent to be honest.
#7: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:55 pm ---- Is a cat D, when an insurance company writes the vehicle off, because the repairs override what the vehicle book price is.
Just seems a bit strange to spend on a car thats a write off'
Or am i missing something.
#8: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:09 pm ----
DREWDEN wrote:
Is a cat D, when an insurance company writes the vehicle off, because the repairs override what the vehicle book price is.
Just seems a bit strange to spend on a car thats a write off'
Or am i missing something.
The repairs override the book price because body shops and mechanics use brand new parts and charge the Earth.
I put the car back on the road for a fraction of the quote from authorised insurance garage.
#9: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Leegsi, Location: Near PortsmouthPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:16 pm ---- Have you had it up on a ramp and looked/measured suspension mounting points?
#10: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:22 pm ----
Leegsi wrote:
Have you had it up on a ramp and looked/measured suspension mounting points?
No mate. The car hasn't left my drive yet. I've just changed all the suspension parts over and the wheel is still crooked.
I'm going to change the hub over in the next few days and If that don't work then I'll take the car to a garage.
I was just wondering if bent stub axles and sub frames are common on Peugeots? This is the first time I've worked on a peugeot.
#11: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:30 pm ----
Paul76 wrote:
I was just wondering if bent stub axles and sub frames are common on Peugeots? This is the first time I've worked on a peugeot.
How do you mean stub axle? As far as I was aware, it was only the rear trailing arms that had stub axles fitted. Am I missing something? If you have any pictures that would be handy.
Heard of bent subframes and rear stub axles before on accident damaged cars. Bent both the stub axle and trailing arm on my 306 better something bending than breaking though!
#12: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:39 pm ----
Lecktorious wrote:
Paul76 wrote:
I was just wondering if bent stub axles and sub frames are common on Peugeots? This is the first time I've worked on a peugeot.
How do you mean stub axle? As far as I was aware, it was only the rear trailing arms that had stub axles fitted. Am I missing something? If you have any pictures that would be handy.
Heard of bent subframes and rear stub axles before on accident damaged cars. Bent both the stub axle and trailing arm on my 306 better something bending than breaking though!
Some people call the stub axles and some people call them Hubs.
#13: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:24 pm ---- I doubt the hub is bent, it's pretty solid.
#14: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:54 am ---- Go for the hub. If it was the bodyshell that was bent enough to see it in the suspension you'd also see it on the body itself.
#15: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: 14hdi, Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 4:49 am ---- Just buy a full strut and hub from a scrap yard?
If not I guess you could get a sub frame dirt cheap from a scrap yard.
#16: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:18 am ----
14hdi wrote:
Just buy a full strut and hub from a scrap yard?
If not I guess you could get a sub frame dirt cheap from a scrap yard.
Yes, I've ordered a full strut and hub from a peugeot verve on the Same year as mine. I'll change all that over and see how it's looking.
Yes, sub frames are cheap as chips second hand. Are they easy to swap over? I would be working on a drive way.
#17: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:32 am ---- 4 bolts, but you will need to unbolt the lower arms and drop links from the ARB.
I've got a subframe here if needed. Wouldn't be looking for much, I assume it would need to be posted to you though?
#18: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:05 am ---- Highly unlikely to be the subframe. If impact damaged it's more likely to give positive camber.
#19: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:45 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Highly unlikely to be the subframe. If impact damaged it's more likely to give positive camber.
So once I've changed over strut and hub and it's still fooked, it's looking likely it's chasis damage then?
#20: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:27 pm ---- Judging by the height of the impact, my guess is the inner wing is pushed in where the top of the strut mounts ... Pug's ain't that strong and all modern cars are designed to crumple on impact ...
#21: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:34 pm ----
gazza82 wrote:
Pug's ain't that strong
206 has proven many times to be as strong as any other small car of the same era.
This one should have been checked on the body jig before repairs where started.
Nearly all accident damaged 206's are not worth bothering with repairing now as a straight car is cheap as chips.
#22: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:46 am ---- Would a bend in the shock absorber give negative camber?
#23: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:55 am ---- Definitely. and most likely. Any bend in the bodywork would be visible to the eye.
#24: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:17 pm ---- PS: While not clear my comment was a suggestion and not question and that is despite the very poor grammar by putting a "?" on the end.
#25: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:17 pm ---- If you are changing one strut change them both from the same car.
#26: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: Paul76, Location: AndoverPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:27 pm ---- Changed the strut over today, everything is now straight. Thanks for all the advice and suggestions. Car must have taken a right good one to bend the stub axle.
#27: Re: Negative camber on n/s front wheel. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:53 pm ---- It may not have been the stub axle bent. it could be anywhere in the strut unless you have looked and it is visibly the stub axle.
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better something bending than breaking though!
