#1: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:57 am ---- OK so my daughter's car has an MOT advisory on slightly noisy rear bearing. The problem is how do I remove the circlip holding the existing bearing in?
The circlip does not have the normal eyes to use circlip pliers and the ends are the same shape as the rest of the circlips. The isn't anywhere to get something behind the clip (sometimes there are recesses in the casting to let you lever clips out but not in this case) so I can't prise it out.
Haynes manual shows a conventional circlip being removed with conventional circlip pliers but those fitted are not that type and the new cirlip supplied with the bearing is the same as that fitted to the car. I don't know where Haynes got their picture but it isn't what is fitted to this car.
Is it a case of also needing a new drum or is there a trick or special tool to remove these circlips?
#2: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:15 am ---- There is a special tool available that Peugeot use.
When mine were done it was a case of a couple of small screwdrivers, a ground off pair of long nosed pliers, perseverance and a lot of swearing finally did the trick. We also found that the conventional looking circlip that was supplied with the new bearing, wouldn't go in.
#3: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:15 am ---- What if you apply steady high pressure on the bearing pushing outwards, then 'work' the circlip out slowly with screwdriver and/or hammer while it's being 'pinched' by the bearing.
#4: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:22 am ---- Alternatively, could you use a combalt-tip (1.50 GBP) small size drill-bit to make holes so you can use the normal tool to remove? Or not enough space?
#5: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:44 am ----
V9977 wrote:
Alternatively, could you use a combalt-tip (1.50 GBP) small size drill-bit to make holes so you can use the normal tool to remove? Or not enough space?
This was one of the options we considered. Drill a small hole just above the circlip so you can get a screwdriver in behind it so you can ease it out enough to lift it and then use a second screwdriver to ease the rest out and the first one stops it pinging back in. Much easier to show than describe lol.
#6: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:11 am ----
macca1411 wrote:
V9977 wrote:
Alternatively, could you use a combalt-tip (1.50 GBP) small size drill-bit to make holes so you can use the normal tool to remove? Or not enough space?
This was one of the options we considered. Drill a small hole just above the circlip so you can get a screwdriver in behind it so you can ease it out enough to lift it and then use a second screwdriver to ease the rest out and the first one stops it pinging back in. Much easier to show than describe lol.
OK, I was thinking drilling the actual circlip 'pads', hence cobalt tip and v. low rpm.. I don't know how much area there on those though.
#7: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk Author: Deckchair5, Location: Bath UKPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:47 am ---- The circlip has an angle to both ends so with a small screwdriver you should be able to tap the screwdriver in and that will lever one end up then, with another small screwdriver, put that in the gap to prevent the end falling back in again
Then you just work around the circlip until it pops out
#8: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:10 am ---- I think that I like the idea of a small drillbit to drill an area to get a small screw driver behind the circlip. I will try again with some perseverance fist (only because my drill is 6 miles away at the moment) and small tools but I hate using screwdrivers like this and don't have any small already worn ones.
#9: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:56 am ----
V9977 wrote:
macca1411 wrote:
V9977 wrote:
Alternatively, could you use a combalt-tip (1.50 GBP) small size drill-bit to make holes so you can use the normal tool to remove? Or not enough space?
This was one of the options we considered. Drill a small hole just above the circlip so you can get a screwdriver in behind it so you can ease it out enough to lift it and then use a second screwdriver to ease the rest out and the first one stops it pinging back in. Much easier to show than describe lol.
OK, I was thinking drilling the actual circlip 'pads', hence cobalt tip and v. low rpm.. I don't know how much area there on those though.
There is only a bit of the circlip visible don't even think it's more than 2mm, not enough room to get a drill on it. It is a really crap design which was probably intended to make people go to the dealer for the work to be done. If you put a standard circlip on it, the lugs stick out and then the washer doesn't fit flush. Not sure if I have an OEM one in the shed so I can show you the comparison. Kandl could always take a photo of it in situ and then when he has got it out. Might help people in the future.
#10: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:04 am ---- Some are fitted with normal internal circips, others are fitted with snaprings.
#11: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:49 pm ---- public.servicebox.peug...index.html
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#12: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:12 pm ---- Small screwdrivers and various bent objects have not worked as there just isn't enough room. Tomorrow will be out with the drill as several Internet posts suggest that will work.
Several posts also suggest the only success was to take the drums to Peugeot who have a very special tool.
I do notice that the replacement bearings themselves are sealed on both sides whereas the originals are not sealed and rely on the external seals. The replacement bearings also come with "snap rings" not conventional circlips.
#13: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:18 pm ---- Thank you MrBsi but how do you get the darned snap rings out?
#14: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:34 pm ---- If you end-up drilling make sure you use a decent cobalt drill-bit , otherwise it will be a nightmare..
#15: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:16 am ----
kandlbarrett wrote:
Thank you MrBsi but how do you get the darned snap rings out?
Use the correct tool OR attack it with a Dremel.
#16: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk Author: Fifer, Location: FifePosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:37 am ---- I used a dremmel with cutting disc to cut the snap ring into 3 sections. Then it just fell out
#17: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:23 am ---- Well, I have always wanted a Dremel so have used this as a excuse to buy one. I haven't attacked the snap rings with it yet but will report back when I have.
The use of these snap rings really is one of the worst cases of forcing someone to use the "stealers" (dealers) that I have ever witnessed. Though I guess if a snap ring is only half penny cheaper than a conventional circlip then with (according to wiki) 7,775,482 Peugot 206s manufactured that is a tidy saving.
#18: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:40 pm ---- Snap ring attacked with a Dremmel and removed. Now how the hell do I get the outer bearing race out.
I started with a drift and hammer blow. Migrated to threaded bar and sockets.
Upped the anti to using threaded bar with sockets, heated hub and "freeze-it" spray on the race but not a single bit of movement; I have never had such trouble changing a bearing. The nuts that I have on the threaded bar are quite long, the equivalent of four nuts and I was tightening them so much they have slightly deformed the threads.
I am thinking either main dealer or engineering shop to press them out or buy new drums and fit the new bearings to the new drums. My worry with new drum option is if the outer race is that tight how will I press it in?
Never have I been beaten before but these rear bearings are proving very troublesome.
#19: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:04 pm ---- Is the outer race stuck in the drum?
Run a bead of mig weld around the middle of the bearing race, when it cools the race will shrink & crack
#20: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:45 pm ---- Stuck is an understatement. I would estimate I was putting 200+ft.lb onto the threaded bar (creaky tight and then even more turns on the nut) and not a single budge from the outer race. I even checked that there wasn't any snap ring left in place.
As before I have never been beaten and bearing races aren't usually anywhere near this tight. It is a first for me.
Thank you for the suggestion about a bead of mig - I have never heard of that one so will give that a try.
#21: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:51 pm ---- Just be careful when your aiming the welding torch
Needs to be a full bead of weld around the race of the bearing, as it cools the bearing race with contract & should crack / split allowing it to be knocked out easily.
#22: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:56 pm ---- I hope it works. The rear bearings on these have a very large outer race because the outer race is a single common race for both taper bearings so it is much thicker in the middle and twice as wide as most other bearing races.
#23: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: Fifer, Location: FifePosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:06 pm ---- I put the old bearing inner piece in. Stuck a socket so it fitted on the race and belted the hell out of it. Took some hammering and it split the reace but out it came. I then used the old outer race to persuade the new bearing in.
#24: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:19 pm ---- Fifer: tried that with a 2lb (0.5kg) lump hammer and like you I have broken the inner bearing - read the whole post and you will see there isn't any "normal" procedure left except hydraulic press or the ring of weld that MrBSI suggested.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
#25: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:13 am ---- Why not just buy two new drums with bearings already inserted?
#26: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:18 am ---- Bead of weld did not work (bugger.)
Attacked again with threaded bar - still no luck.
Daughter needs her car urgently (apparently.)
Purchased new drums at £64 per pair (I don't think you can buy drums with bearings already fitted.)
New bearings installed into new hubs with threaded bar and they were exactly the tightness I would expect and went in really nicely. Job done.
This job should have been a piece of cake; i still don't understand why the bearing is seized so tight. Still I don't have time to dwell on that but I do hate being beaten.
#27: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:26 am ---- Don't new drums come with the bearing pre-fitted? .. wouldn't that be the quickest and simple option?
#28: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:35 am ----
gazza82 wrote:
Don't new drums come with the bearing pre-fitted? .. wouldn't that be the quickest and simple option?
kandlbarrett wrote:
Bead of weld did not work (bugger.)
Attacked again with threaded bar - still no luck.
Daughter needs her car urgently (apparently.) Purchased new drums at £64 per pair (I don't think you can buy drums with bearings already fitted.)New bearings installed into new hubs with threaded bar and they were exactly the tightness I would expect and went in really nicely. Job done.
This job should have been a piece of cake; i still don't understand why the bearing is seized so tight. Still I don't have time to dwell on that but I do hate being beaten.
#29: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:47 am ---- sorry. didn't read the last post properly .. was on page 1 when my internet connection played up ... so I answered without realising .. I'll shut up now!
#30: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: eddie206, Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:29 am ---- Just incase someone else has the same troubles ,for the circlip removal would it not have been easier and cheaper to get a small pick or two(like dentists use with the 90°head bent over)and jam the circlip on one side while prizing the circlip out on the other side..
just force the 90°head behind the circlup then prize/pull the thing out by dragging it round behind the clip while the far end is jammed to stop spinning uncontrolably...
Im sure ive seen the tool at halfords in the small hobby tools section...if yours has one??
#31: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:42 am ---- Eddie, that sounds like a very good idea. Hopefully I won't need to do it again before she sells it - it seems she has her heart set on a 1.6 Clio. Not sure what Clio forums are around but hopefully some as helpful as this one has been to me.
#32: Re: Help - fitting new rear bearings on drum brakes not disk. Author: eddie206, Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:58 pm ---- Good choice with the renault clio...very much a young womans car..well..except the clio cup models and the v6 variety which the clio cups are fast enough but those v6s are awesome and they look great too..infact the entire range is a good lookin one...on the outside anyway...dont like the standard interiors but thats me...
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