#1: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:30 am ---- Yeah my 2002 137 gti failed badly yesterday so im really looking for any advice to help make these repairs as easy and as cheap as possible...all advice and comments welcomed..
So the fails are..
Antiroll bar ball joint n/side.
Brake lights flashing with indicators.
4 different brake pipes to renew.
Small rust patch to weld on sill.
Emmisions out....major headache..advice much appreciated here.
Headlites off aim.both of..
And advisorys on...
1tyre tread is low.
1 further brake pipe nearly shot.
It could have been worse i suppose but once ive done the brake pipes and sorted the emmisions(help here pleeez)its sort of easy enuf but any advice on saving money or time. or to help sort emmisions or anything that might help is really. genuinely welcomed here as my budget is limited and the car is vital...
Thankyou in advance guys.....cheers
#2: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: lukepug19, Location: OxfordshirePosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:30 am ---- emissions could be anything from a failed cat to a faulty lamda sensor which could be telling it to over fuel causing bad emissions
#3: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:33 am ---- Yeah thats my main headache right now...if it helps im getting an antipillution fault on screen and an orange engine light on dash..
Is it worth servicing it in hope it will pass or is it best to get the codes read before spending money??
#4: emmisions need to fall. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:38 am ---- Has anyone living near Darlington area got a code reader or preferably pug planet 2000 as my 137 gti has just failed mot on emmisions and im needing advice to get them down and better im needing codes reading to pinpoint the fault??
All emmision lowering advice welcomed...thanks.
#5: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:39 am ---- Sounds like the car is in need of a major service. The brake light and indicator is down to an earth cable, trace the loom to the earth point clean it up and it should be fine,
#6: Re: emmisions need to fall. Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:00 am ---- Tell us what emissions need to reduce and we'll tell you what's wrong.
#7: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:20 pm ---- have codes read,it's much better than guessing,specially for the antipillution fault,as many things can cause this fault,but other fails is something u need to repair as it's for your safety and others safety
#8: Re: emmisions need to fall. Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:23 pm ---- have faults read would be better,specially if you have the EML light on
#9: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:54 pm ---- Cheers guys..
Earth fault will check it out tomorrow.
emmisions..i am servicing the car..air filter in and throttle body cleaned as in the HOW TO for it..will refit carb tomorrow..
oil filter bought.£4.20
susspension antiroll bar ball joint bought.£9.85
air filter bougjt.£8.95
Carb cleaner bought.£2.90
sump plug and washer bought.£3.80
Dae combustion system conditioner bougjt.£9.25(secret weapon for emmisions fault..taxi drivers use it and its not for sale to the general public...as it says on tin so must be good.)
These measures for emmisions should sort it well enuf..
ball joint is easy..
brake pipes should be easy(mate down the road just happens to have spare brake piping and my local rent a ramp has flaring tools so easy enuf thete..
That just leaves the plate to weld or improvise so should easily reach retest deadline without too much hassle..
Just save to tax it and all is well....and thanks for help dudes and add anything else if it might help..thanks much.
#10: Re: emmisions need to fall. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:11 pm ---- Emissions read as on sheet...
engine oil temp. Ok
fast idle test. Failed
Engine speed1950-3050 manual check pass
CO:<=0.300% 2.258% FAIL
HC:<=200PPM. 220PPM. FAIL
LAMBDA: 0.970-1.030. 0.944. FAIL
SECOND FAST IDLE TEST. FAILED
EMGINE SPEED: 1950-3050RPM. MANUAL CHECK. PASS
CO: <=0.300% 3.064% FAIL
HC: <=200PPM. 242PPM. FAIL
LAMBDA: 0.970-1.030. 0.910. FAIL
NATURAL IDLE TEST. FAILED
ENGINE SPEED: 550-850RPM. MANUAL CHECK. PASS
CO:<=0.500% 0.748% FAIL
OVERALL RESULT. EXJAUST EMMISIONS TEST. FAILED..
IF THIS SHOWS YOU ANYTHING OR IS ENOUGH TO TELL WHATS UP THEN PLEASE ADD YOUR PROGNOSIS AND HOW LIKELY TO CERTAIN YOU ARE ABOUT THE FAULTS DIAGNOSIS.....CHEERS FELLAS.
#11: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:38 pm ---- You have an anti pollution fault, what do you expect with the emissions?! Of course it was going to fail!
The brake lines, really?! Ive never come across corroded lines at all!
#12: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:05 pm ---- Well ive not seen them myself yet but its failed on three seperate pipes and has an advisory on another..
Fails on btake pipes are...
nearside(front to rear) brakepipe xsivly corroded
offside. " " " " " " " " " ".
Offside rear. " " " " " ".
Offside front brake pipe slightly corroded.
Needless to say that if once i look the brake pipes are not excessively corroded i will not be changing them and will need advice if that is the case???
I will let you all know..
#13: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: lukepug19, Location: OxfordshirePosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:06 am ---- emissions could be anything from a failed cat to a faulty lamda sensor which could be telling it to over fuel causing bad emissions
#14: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:11 am ---- Well the emmisions are getting sorted now..
ive stripped and cleaned the throttle and icv etc.
im servicing the car.
I have some really special combustion system conditioner.
And im pretty sure this will bring the numbers into line..
#15: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:43 am ---- What product are you usimg.
Fuel additive, or the air intake spray stuff.
#16: Re: emmisions need to fall. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:49 am ---- Does the more expensive super petrol at some garages improve a cars emmisuons?
and if so does it last?
Are there any drawbacks?...apart from the inflated prices
#17: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:02 am ---- Its a fuel additive that goes into a tank with only about £5.00-£7.50 of fuel in it and its supposed to be the bees knees...all our local taxi drivers use it especialy at mot time(Darlingtons taxis are among the dietiest old knackers around but oddly are the closest monitored by any council in the UK...we had a taxi buisness for some time and my uncle still runs taxis.).
It says on the can Not to be sold to the public,for commercial garage use only(or words to that effect)
It cost me a tenner for a 500ml can from a parts place thats well cheap so it must be good..
The shops staff said it would sort the job so with all my other improvements it should sale thru retest...
I will let you all know...
Ps..i beleive it is called..D.A.E Combustion system conditioner for petrol and diesel and lpg i think..
Fingers crossed like...oh well better sort myself out and go and refit my throttle,Icv,etc. Now ive cleaned the hell out of them...come up gleaming aswell.
#18: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:21 am ---- Interesting, our taxis use the air inlet method, 10k boost made by granville £25, although brilliant, will wait and see what results you get.
Tried the fuel additive from GFS £14, didn't do much.
Cheers
#19: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:29 am ---- Yeah ive heard good things about the granville stuff but i was recommended this so i will know in a few days if its as good as they claim..
#20: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:56 am ---- Brake pipes are perfectly good on 90% of there lengths but at most features...thats clips and corner bends the pipes are corroded...not too bad tho and if i use the old trick of rubbing some engine oil into the corroded areas they will look ok but what is the rule for the MOT here?
Years ago we had pipes corroded the full lengths that we rubbed with oil and they passed and we never had comeback at all?
Will it pass according to the MOTs rules?is the garage trying it on?will i need to fit new pipes?
#21: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:32 pm ---- It's a bodge either way. Do it properly and replace the corroded sections.
#22: Re: emmisions need to fall. Author: omega, Location: nottinghamPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:52 pm ---- oil change will help
then take it for a Italian tune up
#23: Re: emmisions need to fall. Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:53 pm ---- Your car is either running rich or burning oil.
You need to find the reason for the excess fuel and / or check general engine condition.
If the car hasn't been serviced recently (oil and air filter change) I would start with that. After that it could be bad lambda sensor, air leak on exhaust before lambda sensor, leaking injector, not sparking well to burn fuel fully (usually felt as a misfire) or poor engine condition allowing lubricating oil past the pistons or past the valve stem seals (does the engine oil need frequent top ups) or knackered cat.
The garage tester should have been able to give you some pointers if you had asked at the time of MOT. If you are nice to them they usually will.
#24: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:12 pm ---- How many people regret after the event.
Timing belts, brake pipes, pads, etc. should have.
Its a no brainer when it comes to safety of children, people, as passengers.
#25: Re: emmisions need to fall. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:55 pm ---- Well ive stripped and cleaned the throttle body,ICV etc.and its back on wirh a new air filter and fired up straight off so thats good..
ive got oil and filter to do next
Then add my wander fix fuel additive..its a can to mix with just a bit of petrol in the tank...see post" mot disaster yesterday" for info...
Once its all done i will give it 20mins of grace then i will give it the beans for a good while to help the additive and clear out any cobwebs as it were...
they always benefit from a good thrashing now and then just to de choke anything that needs it...looking firward to that because ive been drivin family 4x4 for a month or so and while its a nice pisition to sit and a nice place to be you cant beat a bit of performance...
.and it will run that bit better after a good decoke and service....
#26: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:05 pm ---- Yeah its only sensible really..and a guy down the road gave me about 6metres of brake pipe earlier so its there for free and needs using up so its a bonus really..
Just it leaves some doubts about the garage that moted it..
.ive spotted things i would expect to fail and things i would have expected to pass but both ways are a surprise and its down to the individual tester at the end of the day...of course they follow guidelines but still only human.
#27: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: Tolkienfan001, Location: SpaldingPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:28 pm ---- Mot disaster thread and emissions thread merged
#28: Re: mot disaster yesterday.. Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:05 am ----
peugeotgti wrote:
Yeah its only sensible really..and a guy down the road gave me about 6metres of brake pipe earlier so its there for free and needs using up so its a bonus really.
Did he give you the flaring tool as well?
#29: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: 206HdiGti, Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:36 am ---- My mot failed 2 weeks ago on a worn brake pipe, it was chafing on the front n/s wheel arch liner - pulled it back and find that it was quite bad.
If there is anything risky about your brakes or pipe brakes, the MOT station will fail it - mainly due to you could die or kill others around you.
Sounds like they are being perfectly reasonable.
#30: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:17 am ---- No unfortunately im probly going to have to spend a few quid there but as you all say its worth it really.
We have a place quite local where you can rent a ramp and all the tools and just get on with whatever needs doing on your own car and they will help out in a number of ways...so if your half decent with a spanner its ideal..
The charges are reasonable too at £15 an hour for a ramp or £10 for a bay and there getting a flaring kit in the next few days so i will take it there and save my back on the floor..
Will benefit from a great range of tools and a compressor so if you get cracked on you can acheive a lot in a few hours..also if you have a mate whos handy you can get twice as much done for the same cost...
Im not sure if they have these all over the place but ive used one before and saved a fortune on a megane cabriolet i had...they get parts in at a good price.they give you tea and coffee.they have broadband and computers.they have a lounge area with comfy seats and big tv.they will drive you to get more bits or drop you off
.they will muck in and help out with jobs and have the know how to help or show you how.there's all the tools of a modern workshop including a good vice and fabricating area...all good and not too pricey either.
#31: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:35 am ---- Where you live, sounds great that place, wish they were more places like that.
Lot easier, and safer, than cramping and struggleing under a car.
I have always thought there's a buisness doing this.
Local garages won't be impressed though.
#32: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: Tolkienfan001, Location: SpaldingPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:55 am ----
peugeotgti wrote:
No unfortunately im probly going to have to spend a few quid there but as you all say its worth it really.
We have a place quite local where you can rent a ramp and all the tools and just get on with whatever needs doing on your own car and they will help out in a number of ways...so if your half decent with a spanner its ideal..
The charges are reasonable too at £15 an hour for a ramp or £10 for a bay and there getting a flaring kit in the next few days so i will take it there and save my back on the floor..
Will benefit from a great range of tools and a compressor so if you get cracked on you can acheive a lot in a few hours..also if you have a mate whos handy you can get twice as much done for the same cost...
Im not sure if they have these all over the place but ive used one before and saved a fortune on a megane cabriolet i had...they get parts in at a good price.they give you tea and coffee.they have broadband and computers.they have a lounge area with comfy seats and big tv.they will drive you to get more bits or drop you off
.they will muck in and help out with jobs and have the know how to help or show you how.there's all the tools of a modern workshop including a good vice and fabricating area...all good and not too pricey either.
Sounds great. What's the name of the business and address? Or have you got a link to their website?
#33: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:38 pm ---- Im pretty sure there are a few different companys doung this all over..mostly in the big cities,which is the opposite of our local one.
Its called"Rent A Ramp"in Darlington..or just outside darlo anyway on the A66 WESTBOUND TOWARDS DARLINGTON...on an old wagon site in a new unit almost on its own 1mile from Darlo town..
This is the second one to open in darlington but i think the first ones closed now thru family issues i believe...the first one was called "Spanner it"which could have been a franchise but thetes definately a few across UK
As for local garages they will have to live with it and parts places dont mind because they will supply and buy local so its a winning idea if you ask me...spanner it said the only set up problem was the insurance and liabilty matter which theyve managed to get around after using an expensive solicitor....
they just read you your rights when you go in eachbtime and you sign a disclaimer every visit aswell..
I guess its the only way around it and no great problem anyway.
#34: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:53 pm ---- My mate has just set up a place like this in the south (nr portsmouth) he has got 3 ramps and 3 bays all welding gear for alloy, titanium and normal steel also got a nice lathe and all tools to use.
it should all be open in the next couple of weeks so when it is i will PM a mod and see if they can make it a sticky somewhere on the site.
#35: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: peugeotgti, Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:52 pm ---- Yeah..wot rates do they charge bblaster?
i know in darlington they encourage and have facilitys for car clubs to use thete place as a meet and a good opportunty to use ramps and tools and i know the car clubs members who are thete on the day
All get a reduced rate for renting facilitys and get a good chance to meet and spend the day helping each other out and making a regular meeting once a month or two months which is good for all concerned....
Im just wairing for the ok that theyve bought thete brake pupe flaring tool kit and il be paying them a visit working quicker than a bee because its still money right...
#36: Re: Mot disaster yesterday Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:21 pm ---- TBH i'm not sure on the rates as is not open for another couple of week and as a mate i don't pay anyway.
but like you say it will be used for club/fourm meets and open days for said clubs to use as a group and all help each other out with there cars, i know he is working on a website for it aswell so when it is officialy opened i will post all details up so anybody can give them or me a call and use it if needed.
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